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Hi again guys, thanks for the help before! i had another mate ask about his PC also.
He is currently using a Asus g73jw-a1 laptop bought in 2011 with the following specs:
1.73-GHz Intel Core i7-740QM
RAM 8GB
Graphics Card Nvidia GTX 460
Video Memory 1.5GB
He was looking at buying the build below, which comes to around $1k on mwave.com.au
1. Is this build ok? I have heard strange things about that graphics card?
2. Is this a worthy upgrade for a thousand dollars, will the difference be noticeable (im not sure at all)?
Thanks!
SKU#16011395 - Thermaltake Dokker Case with HDD Dock, No Power Supply
INTEL CPU 1155 SKU#19010246 - Intel Core i5 3570K Unlocked 3rd Gen Processor
INTEL MOTHERBOARD 1155 SKU#28023713 - ASUS P8Z77-M - MicroATX
MEMORY DDR3 SKU#37140823 - G.Skill Ripjaws-X 8GB(2x 4GB) Memory Kit
GRAPHICS CARD SKU#42060859 - Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7870 OC Version - 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5
MAIN HARD DRIVE SKU#22140512 - OCZ Agility 3 - 60GB - 2.5" SATA3 SSD
2ND HARD DRIVE SKU#22040425 - Western Digital WD Caviar Blue - 500GB
OPTICAL DRIVE SKU#17040389 - LG Internal SATA 24x DVD Burner
POWER SUPPLY SKU#34040726 - Thermaltake TR2 600W Power Supply
CPU COOLING SKU#18020599 - Cooler Master X Dream i117 CPU Cooler
OPTIONAL CPU COOLING FAN - IF REQUIRED SKU#18010501 - Cooler Master SickleFlow 2000 R.P.M 120MM Case Fan
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That's a GTX 460M, which is pretty much an underclocked GTS 450 without the weird memory interleaving, by the way, in case anybody would otherwise be confused (probably not).
OCZ Agility 3 is not particularly a good option, and the heatsink is definitely not quited to overclocking. That Thermaltake TR2 is the TR2 Bronze (TR-600P from FSP, not bad). Almost everything seems kind of like an odd/suboptimal choice though.
Mostly it's a matter of the 7870 being a whole lot better than a 460M, and the CPU being a lot faster helps in some games. Also, having an SSD (unless it has weird problems) is probably a lot better than whatever that laptop had for storage. It would run modern games in a lot higher detail settings at higher fps.
Is that worth $1000? How should we know?
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hi .. i actually have sick fps drop/frame drop in macro games (10-40fps) and i was thinking about buying a new CPU cause i already got a decent graphic card in my opinion (560gtx ASUS) and i was wondering if i can hold the CPU intel i5 (no specific model) .. and if not what should i buy to have decent fps late game im talking around 100 to 250 or what should i do to my computer , money isnt a probleme
graphic card : NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 850Mhz 1G
CPU : AMD Phenom II X3 720 clocked at 2.80 GH
RAM : 4G
Motherboard : ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4A78 PLUS Rev X.0x
Chipset : Northbridge : AMD 770 - South bridge SB700 (idk if its important o.O)
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You'd basically need a whole new mobo and cpu if you wanted significant increases. AMD suffers clock per clock/core per core compared to intel, so even something like a G620 would probably give a small increase, but if you really want to spend as much as possible, grab a 3570k, an aftermarket heatsink (Hyper 212 EVO), and a Z77 mobo and overclock to 4.5ghz or so. You'll get 60+fps all game until the very end where you might drop to around 40-50 depending on the matchup.
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i decided to buy a intel i5 CPU .. with my Nvidia GeForce 560 GTX .. wish one should i buyed? and what mother Board can hold it PS : I Want really good FPS like 150 to 250 so please tell me maybe 2 choice at low/med budget and high budget but still the money isnt a big probleme
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On August 30 2012 17:58 sC wrote:
i decided to buy a intel i5 CPU .. with my Nvidia GeForce 560 GTX .. wish one should i buyed? and what mother Board can hold it PS : I Want really good FPS like 150 to 250 so please tell me maybe 2 choice at low/med budget and high budget but still the money isnt a big probleme
A low end (close to cheapest) z77 motherboard + 3570k + hyper212+ as suggested before, and spend 30 minutes to get a good 4.4 - 4.5 gHz overclock.
Cheaper options include a b75 motherboard + 3570 (no heatsink required), which can't overclock.
Even cheaper still would be a g850 + h61 board.
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SkyR, thanks for the reply. A few notes, stupid questions.
Question 1.) It's not clear that I'm remotely talented enough at computer-craft to overclock. Is it something seriously worth doing/worth learning to do? Given this, could you recommend a heatsink?
Question 2.) When I last bought an SSD (4 years ago), buying anything other than OCZ or Intel was tantamount to volunteering for your hard drive to stop working at any moment. Is that no longer true? Are the samsung ones reliable?
Thanks so much for the help.
-Cross
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On August 30 2012 21:23 Crosswind wrote:Question 1.) It's not clear that I'm remotely talented enough at computer-craft to overclock. Is it something seriously worth doing/worth learning to do? Given this, could you recommend a heatsink?
Basic overclocking is very easy. Just increase the multiplier in small steps and run stress test software until it crashes, then take a step back while keeping an eye on temperatures. The next level is adding small voltage increments to the CPU to allow for higher overclocks. With just increasing the multiplier you can already get noticable improvements. If you also play with the voltage a bit, which is a bit more advanced, you'll gain a bit more. Beyond that there are further options to tweak that will allow you to squeeze even more out of the CPU, but you run into diminishing returns for your effort. I would recommend the basic overclock to anyone with a suitable CPU.
A good heatsink is the Coolermaster Hyper 212
Question 2.) When I last bought an SSD (4 years ago), buying anything other than OCZ or Intel was tantamount to volunteering for your hard drive to stop working at any moment. Is that no longer true? Are the samsung ones reliable?
Intel, Samsung and Crucial are currently the best picks for SSDs. OCZ... not so much. In general, the quality of SSDs has improved considerably across the board.
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Alright. One last question, and thanks for all the quick answers.
i5 vs. i7 - if I was going to upgrade to an i7, how would that system have to change? And which i7 package would you recommend?
-Cross
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On August 30 2012 22:55 Crosswind wrote:
Alright. One last question, and thanks for all the quick answers.
i5 vs. i7 - if I was going to upgrade to an i7, how would that system have to change? And which i7 package would you recommend?
-Cross
Nothing besides swapping the i5 to an i7. Both processors use the same motherboards, same memory, same coolers, etc...
(this is assuming you're not swapping to the Sandy Bridge-E i7 processors, the outlandishly expensive ones)
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On August 31 2012 01:11 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 22:55 Crosswind wrote:
Alright. One last question, and thanks for all the quick answers.
i5 vs. i7 - if I was going to upgrade to an i7, how would that system have to change? And which i7 package would you recommend?
-Cross Nothing besides swapping the i5 to an i7. Both processors use the same motherboards, same memory, same coolers, etc... (this is assuming you're not swapping to the Sandy Bridge-E i7 processors, the outlandishly expensive ones)
...are the sandy bridge ones at all worth it? I take it by the "outlandishly expensive", that the answer is no.
-Cross
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The only suffix you care about is -K (overclocking enable). Not even sure what E is for...
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No one was talking about suffixes.
Sandybridge-E are primarily hex cores on the enthusiast LGA2011 socket. If you don't know your needs or what it is than yes it's probably a giant waste of money.
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i5 3570k + ASROCK Z77 EXTREME6 + 560Gtx u tell me that im gonna have around 40-60 when i already have this and imma spend 500$ money for this i dont get it can some1 explain me what fps i should have with the config above
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lategame SC2 is CPU intensive.
Your CPU sucks, you lag at the end of games.
3570k will run those lategame scenarios alot better.
Is $500 worth it for you?
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Hope this is the right thread for me to ask this.
I plan on buying a desktop, but I don't want anything fancy. I'm thinking even a used one I could wipe would be fine.
What are the absolute bare minimum specs I should at least have to assure top performance for SC2, especially after the latest patch that caused all the problems. And not to mention for HOTS, but I know the requirements for that are unknown.
Any tips would be great! Thanks.
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On August 31 2012 09:02 wajd wrote:
Hope this is the right thread for me to ask this.
I plan on buying a desktop, but I don't want anything fancy. I'm thinking even a used one I could wipe would be fine.
What are the absolute bare minimum specs I should at least have to assure top performance for SC2, especially after the latest patch that caused all the problems. And not to mention for HOTS, but I know the requirements for that are unknown.
Any tips would be great! Thanks.
An oxymoron? lol.
If you want top performance in Starcraft II than get a 2500k or 3570k along with the appropriate card for your resolution.
If you want the bare minimum than get a Pentium.
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On August 31 2012 09:16 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2012 09:02 wajd wrote:
Hope this is the right thread for me to ask this.
I plan on buying a desktop, but I don't want anything fancy. I'm thinking even a used one I could wipe would be fine.
What are the absolute bare minimum specs I should at least have to assure top performance for SC2, especially after the latest patch that caused all the problems. And not to mention for HOTS, but I know the requirements for that are unknown.
Any tips would be great! Thanks. An oxymoron? lol. If you want top performance in Starcraft II than get a 2500k or 3570k along with the appropriate card for your resolution. If you want the bare minimum than get a Pentium.
Sorry I didn't mean I wanted to play the game on super high graphic settings or anything.
Just what I need to play on the low settings, without lagging and stuttering gameplay.
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