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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Crosswind
Profile Joined May 2010
United States279 Posts
August 30 2012 02:59 GMT
#24361
Hey - my computer finally croaked. Looking to build a computer that will last a few years for around 1k. 1.2k would be fine too. I don't need accessories, mine work dandy. Based on the info in this thread (You guys kick ass), I'm looking at:

Rosewill BLACKHAWK Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case -$89
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147107

HIS IceQ H787Q2G2M Radeon HD 7870 GHz -$220
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161404

Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-650 650W $89
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182071

Intel 520 Series Cherryville SSDSC2CW240A3K5 2.5" 240GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - $249
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167086

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) - $44.89
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor + ASRock Z77 Pro3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $307
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1030096

-----------
My questions are thus:
Is that power supply bigger than I need?
Are there any tweaks I could make, given my goals of having a machine that will last for a while and run things in top form?
...have I done anything colossally stupid here?

Thanks TL! You all rock.

-Cross
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 30 2012 03:15 GMT
#24362
Yes, power supply is significantly more than you need. The 450 variant for $64 already provides tons of headroom: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261

SSD is on expensive side. Samsung 830 256gb is available for $200: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=74136&promoid=1084

Memory is on the expensive side.

You're missing an aftermarket heatsink for overclocking.
Wartortle
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia504 Posts
August 30 2012 03:51 GMT
#24363
Hi again guys, thanks for the help before! i had another mate ask about his PC also.

He is currently using a Asus g73jw-a1 laptop bought in 2011 with the following specs:

1.73-GHz Intel Core i7-740QM
RAM 8GB
Graphics Card Nvidia GTX 460
Video Memory 1.5GB

He was looking at buying the build below, which comes to around $1k on mwave.com.au

1. Is this build ok? I have heard strange things about that graphics card?

2. Is this a worthy upgrade for a thousand dollars, will the difference be noticeable (im not sure at all)?

Thanks!

SKU#16011395 - Thermaltake Dokker Case with HDD Dock, No Power Supply
INTEL CPU 1155 SKU#19010246 - Intel Core i5 3570K Unlocked 3rd Gen Processor
INTEL MOTHERBOARD 1155 SKU#28023713 - ASUS P8Z77-M - MicroATX
MEMORY DDR3 SKU#37140823 - G.Skill Ripjaws-X 8GB(2x 4GB) Memory Kit
GRAPHICS CARD SKU#42060859 - Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7870 OC Version - 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5
MAIN HARD DRIVE SKU#22140512 - OCZ Agility 3 - 60GB - 2.5" SATA3 SSD
2ND HARD DRIVE SKU#22040425 - Western Digital WD Caviar Blue - 500GB
OPTICAL DRIVE SKU#17040389 - LG Internal SATA 24x DVD Burner
POWER SUPPLY SKU#34040726 - Thermaltake TR2 600W Power Supply
CPU COOLING SKU#18020599 - Cooler Master X Dream i117 CPU Cooler
OPTIONAL CPU COOLING FAN - IF REQUIRED SKU#18010501 - Cooler Master SickleFlow 2000 R.P.M 120MM Case Fan
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 30 2012 04:07 GMT
#24364
That's a GTX 460M, which is pretty much an underclocked GTS 450 without the weird memory interleaving, by the way, in case anybody would otherwise be confused (probably not).

OCZ Agility 3 is not particularly a good option, and the heatsink is definitely not quited to overclocking. That Thermaltake TR2 is the TR2 Bronze (TR-600P from FSP, not bad). Almost everything seems kind of like an odd/suboptimal choice though.

Mostly it's a matter of the 7870 being a whole lot better than a 460M, and the CPU being a lot faster helps in some games. Also, having an SSD (unless it has weird problems) is probably a lot better than whatever that laptop had for storage. It would run modern games in a lot higher detail settings at higher fps.

Is that worth $1000? How should we know?
sC
Profile Joined August 2012
9 Posts
August 30 2012 07:50 GMT
#24365
hi .. i actually have sick fps drop/frame drop in macro games (10-40fps) and i was thinking about buying a new CPU cause i already got a decent graphic card in my opinion (560gtx ASUS) and i was wondering if i can hold the CPU intel i5 (no specific model) .. and if not what should i buy to have decent fps late game im talking around 100 to 250 or what should i do to my computer , money isnt a probleme

graphic card : NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 850Mhz 1G

CPU : AMD Phenom II X3 720 clocked at 2.80 GH

RAM : 4G

Motherboard : ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4A78 PLUS Rev X.0x

Chipset : Northbridge : AMD 770 - South bridge SB700 (idk if its important o.O)
Nabutso
Profile Joined April 2011
351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 08:21:11
August 30 2012 08:20 GMT
#24366
You'd basically need a whole new mobo and cpu if you wanted significant increases. AMD suffers clock per clock/core per core compared to intel, so even something like a G620 would probably give a small increase, but if you really want to spend as much as possible, grab a 3570k, an aftermarket heatsink (Hyper 212 EVO), and a Z77 mobo and overclock to 4.5ghz or so. You'll get 60+fps all game until the very end where you might drop to around 40-50 depending on the matchup.
sC
Profile Joined August 2012
9 Posts
August 30 2012 08:58 GMT
#24367
i decided to buy a intel i5 CPU .. with my Nvidia GeForce 560 GTX .. wish one should i buyed? and what mother Board can hold it PS : I Want really good FPS like 150 to 250 so please tell me maybe 2 choice at low/med budget and high budget but still the money isnt a big probleme
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
August 30 2012 09:35 GMT
#24368
On August 30 2012 17:58 sC wrote:
i decided to buy a intel i5 CPU .. with my Nvidia GeForce 560 GTX .. wish one should i buyed? and what mother Board can hold it PS : I Want really good FPS like 150 to 250 so please tell me maybe 2 choice at low/med budget and high budget but still the money isnt a big probleme

A low end (close to cheapest) z77 motherboard + 3570k + hyper212+ as suggested before, and spend 30 minutes to get a good 4.4 - 4.5 gHz overclock.

Cheaper options include a b75 motherboard + 3570 (no heatsink required), which can't overclock.

Even cheaper still would be a g850 + h61 board.
Throw off those chains of reason, and your prison disappears. | Check your posting frequency timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/post_activity_img.php
Crosswind
Profile Joined May 2010
United States279 Posts
August 30 2012 12:23 GMT
#24369
On August 30 2012 12:15 skyR wrote:
Yes, power supply is significantly more than you need. The 450 variant for $64 already provides tons of headroom: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261

SSD is on expensive side. Samsung 830 256gb is available for $200: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=74136&promoid=1084

Memory is on the expensive side.

You're missing an aftermarket heatsink for overclocking.


SkyR, thanks for the reply. A few notes, stupid questions.

Question 1.) It's not clear that I'm remotely talented enough at computer-craft to overclock. Is it something seriously worth doing/worth learning to do? Given this, could you recommend a heatsink?

Question 2.) When I last bought an SSD (4 years ago), buying anything other than OCZ or Intel was tantamount to volunteering for your hard drive to stop working at any moment. Is that no longer true? Are the samsung ones reliable?

Thanks so much for the help.

-Cross
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 12:41:09
August 30 2012 12:40 GMT
#24370
On August 30 2012 21:23 Crosswind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 12:15 skyR wrote:
Yes, power supply is significantly more than you need. The 450 variant for $64 already provides tons of headroom: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261

SSD is on expensive side. Samsung 830 256gb is available for $200: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=74136&promoid=1084

Memory is on the expensive side.

You're missing an aftermarket heatsink for overclocking.


Question 1.) It's not clear that I'm remotely talented enough at computer-craft to overclock. Is it something seriously worth doing/worth learning to do? Given this, could you recommend a heatsink?


Basic overclocking is very easy. Just increase the multiplier in small steps and run stress test software until it crashes, then take a step back while keeping an eye on temperatures. The next level is adding small voltage increments to the CPU to allow for higher overclocks. With just increasing the multiplier you can already get noticable improvements. If you also play with the voltage a bit, which is a bit more advanced, you'll gain a bit more. Beyond that there are further options to tweak that will allow you to squeeze even more out of the CPU, but you run into diminishing returns for your effort. I would recommend the basic overclock to anyone with a suitable CPU.

A good heatsink is the Coolermaster Hyper 212

Question 2.) When I last bought an SSD (4 years ago), buying anything other than OCZ or Intel was tantamount to volunteering for your hard drive to stop working at any moment. Is that no longer true? Are the samsung ones reliable?

Intel, Samsung and Crucial are currently the best picks for SSDs. OCZ... not so much. In general, the quality of SSDs has improved considerably across the board.
Such flammable little insects!
Crosswind
Profile Joined May 2010
United States279 Posts
August 30 2012 13:55 GMT
#24371
Alright. One last question, and thanks for all the quick answers.

i5 vs. i7 - if I was going to upgrade to an i7, how would that system have to change? And which i7 package would you recommend?

-Cross
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
August 30 2012 16:11 GMT
#24372
On August 30 2012 22:55 Crosswind wrote:
Alright. One last question, and thanks for all the quick answers.

i5 vs. i7 - if I was going to upgrade to an i7, how would that system have to change? And which i7 package would you recommend?

-Cross


Nothing besides swapping the i5 to an i7. Both processors use the same motherboards, same memory, same coolers, etc...

(this is assuming you're not swapping to the Sandy Bridge-E i7 processors, the outlandishly expensive ones)
Such flammable little insects!
Crosswind
Profile Joined May 2010
United States279 Posts
August 30 2012 16:16 GMT
#24373
On August 31 2012 01:11 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 22:55 Crosswind wrote:
Alright. One last question, and thanks for all the quick answers.

i5 vs. i7 - if I was going to upgrade to an i7, how would that system have to change? And which i7 package would you recommend?

-Cross


Nothing besides swapping the i5 to an i7. Both processors use the same motherboards, same memory, same coolers, etc...

(this is assuming you're not swapping to the Sandy Bridge-E i7 processors, the outlandishly expensive ones)


...are the sandy bridge ones at all worth it? I take it by the "outlandishly expensive", that the answer is no.

-Cross
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
August 30 2012 16:30 GMT
#24374
The only suffix you care about is -K (overclocking enable). Not even sure what E is for...
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 30 2012 17:06 GMT
#24375
No one was talking about suffixes.

Sandybridge-E are primarily hex cores on the enthusiast LGA2011 socket. If you don't know your needs or what it is than yes it's probably a giant waste of money.
sC
Profile Joined August 2012
9 Posts
August 30 2012 19:14 GMT
#24376
i5 3570k + ASROCK Z77 EXTREME6 + 560Gtx u tell me that im gonna have around 40-60 when i already have this and imma spend 500$ money for this i dont get it can some1 explain me what fps i should have with the config above
Nabutso
Profile Joined April 2011
351 Posts
August 30 2012 19:39 GMT
#24377
lategame SC2 is CPU intensive.

Your CPU sucks, you lag at the end of games.

3570k will run those lategame scenarios alot better.

Is $500 worth it for you?
wajd
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
240 Posts
August 31 2012 00:02 GMT
#24378
Hope this is the right thread for me to ask this.
I plan on buying a desktop, but I don't want anything fancy. I'm thinking even a used one I could wipe would be fine.
What are the absolute bare minimum specs I should at least have to assure top performance for SC2, especially after the latest patch that caused all the problems. And not to mention for HOTS, but I know the requirements for that are unknown.

Any tips would be great! Thanks.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
August 31 2012 00:16 GMT
#24379
On August 31 2012 09:02 wajd wrote:
Hope this is the right thread for me to ask this.
I plan on buying a desktop, but I don't want anything fancy. I'm thinking even a used one I could wipe would be fine.
What are the absolute bare minimum specs I should at least have to assure top performance for SC2, especially after the latest patch that caused all the problems. And not to mention for HOTS, but I know the requirements for that are unknown.

Any tips would be great! Thanks.


An oxymoron? lol.

If you want top performance in Starcraft II than get a 2500k or 3570k along with the appropriate card for your resolution.

If you want the bare minimum than get a Pentium.
wajd
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
240 Posts
August 31 2012 00:19 GMT
#24380
On August 31 2012 09:16 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 09:02 wajd wrote:
Hope this is the right thread for me to ask this.
I plan on buying a desktop, but I don't want anything fancy. I'm thinking even a used one I could wipe would be fine.
What are the absolute bare minimum specs I should at least have to assure top performance for SC2, especially after the latest patch that caused all the problems. And not to mention for HOTS, but I know the requirements for that are unknown.

Any tips would be great! Thanks.


An oxymoron? lol.

If you want top performance in Starcraft II than get a 2500k or 3570k along with the appropriate card for your resolution.

If you want the bare minimum than get a Pentium.


Sorry I didn't mean I wanted to play the game on super high graphic settings or anything.
Just what I need to play on the low settings, without lagging and stuttering gameplay.
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