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On August 08 2012 20:53 Nizzy wrote:Whoa. Once again thanks for your time and comments I really do appreciate them. However if I knew anyone would get this worked up, I wouldn't have bugged anyone here. + Show Spoiler +I've built a bunch of 32 bit comps over a summer of work, it was easy, however I didn't enjoy it that much. Like I said, I know some people love that enjoyment of building their own. To me, that's simply overrated and I just don't care. Been working 50-60 a week since I graduated, I just want to plug it in when it comes, install my O/S, and game dude. My post fits the title of this thread. I'm posting items that I want to select for my "build". I have not bought it yet, so if I didn't include where I was getting it from, it could be from anywhere. But wow man sorry if I got you upset. On August 08 2012 11:33 JingleHell wrote:
You also get terrible customer service, the liquid cooler is some combination of crap and overpriced, the card reader is fairly meh, just thrown in to sound cool, extra fans don't always mean better cooling.
All for paying a pile more to save a couple hours building it, and the time it takes to get a shipment from newegg is actually generally shorter than the time it takes to get a PC sent from a boutique. I've bought another PC from ibuypower.com like 6 years ago and it's at my moms house now still running well, went there first before cyberpowerpc this time but cp giving way better price. I got great customer service from ibp, and it looks like cyberpower is very fair with their customer service. I've actually heard bad things about new egg. I guess everyone's had bad situations. Liquid Cooler was free, I don't know that much about CPU coolers anyways, just didn't want to go with a basic fan with some brand name attached to it. It's still a fan that will break down eventually. I'm not saying the cooler won't but a review said it was very quiet. As far as the internal card reader, that's just something stupid for sc card read for pics from GF's camera. Agreed, could care less. Yeah newegg is faster shipping but I don't want to spend time to build it  On August 08 2012 12:07 iTzSnypah wrote:
Save only $100 by building yourself? More like $250..
So you spend less money for higher quality components and get the satisfaction of building your own computer.
Pre-builts are like Apple Computers, over-priced novelties.
EDIT: I did a QUICK search though newegg and the exact same computer you could build for $1200 (minus the extra fans). Then you could optimize the build by getting rid of the 16gb of junk ram for 8gb of good ram, a high efficency PSU, a good looking case, a cheaper motherboard (as your not going for world record oc's), and a quality air cpu cooler and you would save an EXTRA $100 right there.
So for $1100 you can have a better computer... 1. I don't want the satisfaction of building my own. I want someone who builds them all day to build it. As far as quality of parts? -Top of the line i7 3rd gen proc -GTX 670 EVGA FTW 2GB -16gb Hyperx ram (maybe hyperx is junk, but oh well went with free upgrade) How would these parts be any different if I ordered them from newegg? "exact same computer you could build for $1200" Cool, that's actually amazing, I appreciate you looking into it for me. The build I put together was 1311 for everything. I would gladly pay someone 100 to build it for me than do it myself. Just don't want to risk screwing something up. If they do its under warranty. If I do it, I'm out of luck. ------ I'm going to go with a different PSU. Thanks everyone for helping me decide on the CPU, VID Card, & PSU. Sorry if you got upset about me ordering instead of building it. I've done that in my teen years. I'm older now/over it. And if you guys haven't realized yet there's a lot of post of kids just talking about options from ibuypower/cyberpowerpc in here. I really don't see why it's a big deal. I fully understand the satisfaction of building your own. I actually have done it when I was younger. However there's also a satisfaction from working way to much and wanting to finally buy something for yourself. I simply don't want to build it on my own. However, I have taken time to research certain parts. I feel like I got a good deal for a finished product from a long time company. I remember seeing them in gamer magazines from when I was in HS 10 years ago. Plus with these companies like Ibuypower sponoring SC2 things like NASL, I don't mind the extra 100 to help the scene of the game I enjoy the most. take it easy
No one's worked up about this but you. You are mis-reading comments. 5-year olds really have built computers (with supervision), it wasn't an exaggeration, it was a reference to a really cute picture. Now. Settle down, go buy your computer, and then play some game instead of typing something up as if you work for ibuypower. If you're as mature as you say you don't need to justify your purchase to us, and you don't need to be offended by people who are doing nothing more but being nice to you by trying to help.
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On August 08 2012 17:49 Medrea wrote:
Oh you got it working on that board?
Yep, Spamming F2 and Delete got me into the bios and I underclocked and undervolted a little.
F10 ended up being a bypass to the CPU TDP issue, so I'm just hoping that the CPU doesn't burn up the mobo at this point. 1.2v and 3ghz seems perfectly fine though, considering a 955 is a 95w part (3.2ghz, 1.25v).
The only thing that worries me is how hot the heatsinks on the motherboard got. They were practically burning to the touch, to the back of my finger. During prime95, temps were about 55c for the cores and for 2 of the other temperatures which I assume are parts of the mobo, and 35c for 2 other temps (on the mobo?), I don't recall what HWmonitor called them though.
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Well TDP is not so much a power rating as it is a measurement of the thermal design envelope the unit is assumed to be working in.
I dont think what you are doing is safe but I dont really know everything there is to know. I would really do some google searching to see if what is going on here is kosher.
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On August 08 2012 21:39 Womwomwom wrote:
A prebuilt desktop should offer any number of these things:
- Centralised and prompt hardware/software support.
- Good quality warranty.
- Specific hardware engineering.
The issue is not getting much of any of those things if you get a system that's only $100-150 over the price of components at retail. If anything, you get a worse and shorter warranty, and almost always it's just a standard build in a standard chassis, just with their branding all over it. If somebody needed something small and got an Alienware X51, knowing its performance level, that would be a different matter.
On August 08 2012 22:12 Nabutso wrote:The only thing that worries me is how hot the heatsinks on the motherboard got. They were practically burning to the touch, to the back of my finger. During prime95, temps were about 55c for the cores and for 2 of the other temperatures which I assume are parts of the mobo, and 35c for 2 other temps (on the mobo?), I don't recall what HWmonitor called them though.
Power electronics are running burning hot to the touch throughout the world. This isn't really meaningful without knowing the actual temperature, and if actually it were not above 55C, that's pretty low. What's it get to under load?
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Guys is this PC Good For streamin sc2 on low-mid
Intel CORE i5-2500K, 3.30GHz, 6M, BOX, LGA1155
A-DATA 4 GB DDR3 1333 MHZ
PALIT 1024M GT440 DDR 5 PCI-E
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It would be, but overall a gt440 is pretty bad, tell us what you are looking for more precisly, and what you are planning to do
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On August 08 2012 22:05 Medrea wrote:
I dont see an OS, mouse, keyboard, monitor, or PSU mentioned in that configuration but I guess that doesnt mean they arent there, except for the monitor I know thats not there.
Im assuming the PSU is generic and needs to be replaced immediately.
yeah I dont know why but they included in a free razr + mouse combo as well for free. I'm sure its one of the lower priced products, but I'd imagine its at least a 50 dollar combo for free. This back to school "BTS" sale is pretty good in my opinion. I got monitor already.
About the PSU: Nvidia recommends I need a 550w for my video card. CP said like 500 or something close to that I forget... I'm going to be safe and go with the 550w. Is that enough? Should I get more? Is it overkill?
Thanks Medrea
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500w is already overkill if it's a good unit.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/598
Barely over 300w from the wall. For the whole system under fairly heavy loads. Of course, Cyberpower doesn't give you good unless you pay extra and know enough to know when an upgrade isn't an upgrade, like my friend who got a GTX 465 instead of a 460, as a "free upgrade".
They told him it was out of stock, when he got the thing and said something, I told him it was a huge downgrade, showed him benches, and they somehow had the right card on the way the same day. So much for out of stock...
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On August 08 2012 22:37 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 21:39 Womwomwom wrote:
A prebuilt desktop should offer any number of these things:
- Centralised and prompt hardware/software support.
- Good quality warranty.
- Specific hardware engineering. The issue is not getting much of any of those things if you get a system that's only $100-150 over the price of components at retail. If anything, you get a worse and shorter warranty, and almost always it's just a standard build in a standard chassis, just with their branding all over it. If somebody needed something small and got an Alienware X51, knowing its performance level, that would be a different matter. Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 22:12 Nabutso wrote:On August 08 2012 17:49 Medrea wrote:
Oh you got it working on that board? The only thing that worries me is how hot the heatsinks on the motherboard got. They were practically burning to the touch, to the back of my finger. During prime95, temps were about 55c for the cores and for 2 of the other temperatures which I assume are parts of the mobo, and 35c for 2 other temps (on the mobo?), I don't recall what HWmonitor called them though. Power electronics are running burning hot to the touch throughout the world. This isn't really meaningful without knowing the actual temperature, and if actually it were not above 55C, that's pretty low. What's it get to under load?
that 55c IS under load.
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On August 09 2012 00:56 Nabutso wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 22:37 Myrmidon wrote:On August 08 2012 21:39 Womwomwom wrote:
A prebuilt desktop should offer any number of these things:
- Centralised and prompt hardware/software support.
- Good quality warranty.
- Specific hardware engineering. The issue is not getting much of any of those things if you get a system that's only $100-150 over the price of components at retail. If anything, you get a worse and shorter warranty, and almost always it's just a standard build in a standard chassis, just with their branding all over it. If somebody needed something small and got an Alienware X51, knowing its performance level, that would be a different matter. On August 08 2012 22:12 Nabutso wrote:On August 08 2012 17:49 Medrea wrote:
Oh you got it working on that board? The only thing that worries me is how hot the heatsinks on the motherboard got. They were practically burning to the touch, to the back of my finger. During prime95, temps were about 55c for the cores and for 2 of the other temperatures which I assume are parts of the mobo, and 35c for 2 other temps (on the mobo?), I don't recall what HWmonitor called them though. Power electronics are running burning hot to the touch throughout the world. This isn't really meaningful without knowing the actual temperature, and if actually it were not above 55C, that's pretty low. What's it get to under load? that 55c IS under load.
Oh yeah, you mentioned CPU being around there too, which would be a load temp for an AMD processor in that situation. Stock down-blower?
I don't really pay attention to VRM temperatures much in general and wouldn't know based on experience like some overclockers that tend to care more, but 55C is pretty low, as far as I'm concerned. Here's the current vs. temperature derating curve for a typical MOSFET used on a motherboard (I grabbed a model number from a random pic of a motherboard):
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AkWFP.png)
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Well, if you're using a decent manufacturer, 85-90C is where you start worrying on VRM, according to EVGA.
And since they actually cover that sort of issues, I'd expect them to know pretty well.
Or at least, those are the temps they gave me when I called and asked.
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On August 09 2012 00:39 Nizzy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 08 2012 22:05 Medrea wrote:
I dont see an OS, mouse, keyboard, monitor, or PSU mentioned in that configuration but I guess that doesnt mean they arent there, except for the monitor I know thats not there.
Im assuming the PSU is generic and needs to be replaced immediately. yeah I dont know why but they included in a free razr + mouse combo as well for free. I'm sure its one of the lower priced products, but I'd imagine its at least a 50 dollar combo for free. This back to school "BTS" sale is pretty good in my opinion. I got monitor already. About the PSU: Nvidia recommends I need a 550w for my video card. CP said like 500 or something close to that I forget... I'm going to be safe and go with the 550w. Is that enough? Should I get more? Is it overkill? Thanks Medrea
Manufacturer recommendations don't mean shit because they have to account for the shit out there and millions of different configurations.. Ibuypower won't sell you something that won't be enough power to run it, that's not how you run a business. Their generic shit like the 500w, 600w, 700w models will have enough juice to run it, they're just likely end up dying once the warranty is over. It's why they're so much cheaper than the Corsair units.
And about your configuration... you're not paying them to overclock so why are you wasting money on a 3770k over a 3770? Their the exact same processors except the 3770k has an unlocked multiplier which is used for overclocking. And z77 boards are for overclocking but the P8Z77-V LK you're getting isn't that great of a board so the Astek 510LC is sort of throwing money out the window.
You're also not getting a HDD? Since you don't have the confidence in yourself in building, I'm pretty sure you're going to need a HDD.
The difference in building and buying from Cyberpower / Ibuypower / other cheapass premades is that:
You get longer warranty. Every retail component carries a warranty, anywhere from one year to lifetime.
You buy components that will be kept likely for the duration of your life because cases, power supplies, drives, heatsinks, etc don't change much so they can be re-used. This saves you a lot of money over the course of ten+ years.
The build is actually going to be optimized... unlike the current situation of a shit motherboard, good GPU, good CPU, inside a shit case that's going to be purchased by someone who's not overclocking.
You get something better for roughly the same or less. Of course you gain some knowledge so you can troubleshoot yourself, not get scammed, not overpay in the future etc. Cyberpower can totally scam you and you wouldn't know it...
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On August 09 2012 00:43 JingleHell wrote:500w is already overkill if it's a good unit. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/598Barely over 300w from the wall. For the whole system under fairly heavy loads. Of course, Cyberpower doesn't give you good unless you pay extra and know enough to know when an upgrade isn't an upgrade, like my friend who got a GTX 465 instead of a 460, as a "free upgrade". They told him it was out of stock, when he got the thing and said something, I told him it was a huge downgrade, showed him benches, and they somehow had the right card on the way the same day. So much for out of stock...
Jingle,
Hey I really appreciate the link. Is that factoring in only the video card using 300w? Or the whole system at that time? Here's an email for the customer service.
'After I review your order, I found the 700 watts power supply selected is
not going to be enough for the setup you selected. I already free upgraded
the power supply to 850 watts power supply for this order. Please reply
this email to let me know which power supply you would like to change to?'
o.o
Someone telling me 500w is overkill, someone else telling me I need 850w. -_-aaaaaa
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On August 09 2012 04:04 Nizzy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 00:43 JingleHell wrote:500w is already overkill if it's a good unit. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/598Barely over 300w from the wall. For the whole system under fairly heavy loads. Of course, Cyberpower doesn't give you good unless you pay extra and know enough to know when an upgrade isn't an upgrade, like my friend who got a GTX 465 instead of a 460, as a "free upgrade". They told him it was out of stock, when he got the thing and said something, I told him it was a huge downgrade, showed him benches, and they somehow had the right card on the way the same day. So much for out of stock... Jingle, Hey I really appreciate the link. Is that factoring in only the video card using 300w? Or the whole system at that time? Here's an email for the customer service. 'After I review your order, I found the 700 watts power supply selected is not going to be enough for the setup you selected. I already free upgraded the power supply to 850 watts power supply for this order. Please reply this email to let me know which power supply you would like to change to?' o.o Someone telling me 500w is overkill, someone else telling me I need 850w. -_-aaaaaa
That raises a super duper red flag. Their generic PSU's must be SUPER shit if they have so little faith in them. Usually with that build we recommend something like an Antec 380D or Corsair 430CXV2 or if someone wants a gold rated PSU something like a CAPSTONE 450W.
I run machines with 4 GPU's that each suck down more power than a single 670 on little more than an 850W PSU.
Take the free upgrade. Whatever. You are replacing it the moment you get it anyway.
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The majority of websites, which includes Anandtech, measures at the wall (AC) for the entire system. It's even specified in the charts that it's "Total System Power Consumption" ... These benches are also using overclocked hex cores under 100% load which consumes more than double the power of an Ivybridge Core i5 during regular usage. Only site (that comes to mind) that sometimes does DC measurements is Xbitlabs.
Cyberpower scamming you lol.
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I was gonna say that it doesnt matter what they think since he is just replacing it with a new PSU that isnt going to blow up but then i realized that if there is ever a problem the moment they see he inserted a better but lower wattage PSU they will probably dump every single parts warranty.
Thats so evil lol. Basically strap a time bomb to you and force you to wear it. I bet thats why they are pushing the value up or something.
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Why would he be replacing it? He's buying from Cyberpower because he has no confidence in building. Replacing a PSU is basically building the entire PC.
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There are some ok prebuilts out there once you tweak a few things here and there.
But yeah I agree. I guess I dont like the thought of people being scared about whats beyond their PC door.
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A hint, nizzy... Cyberpower and ibuypower exist to make money. They make more money if they can sell you shitty stuff.
And literally, there's brands of power supplies out there where you're lucky if they don't break anything else when they fail. If the 850w "upgrade" is free, you're probably getting a horrendous quality unit.
I've seen cheap units rated that high die in a week powering systems that use something around 150w total. I've seen motherboards and CPUs fried.
Nobody here makes commission off anything we suggest.
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