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On May 15 2012 03:21 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 02:56 skyR wrote:
GTX 580 and 800w? I don't think so unless it was on a server board under full load. I was talking from the card alone. Some guy from EVGA talks about it here, unfortunately the images doesn't seem to be working right now but yeah, this was measured with extreme overclocks. But even if you just sit home and overclock casually I think you can break 430w with some overvolt, from the card alone.
Dude, that's kingpin. He's a fucking pro OCer, LN2 and shit. He's talking about 1.5v+ on the GPU and shit.
http://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?buildid=443
One of his rigs.
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Some kind of realistic i7-3930k and HD 7970 build overclocked on standard air cooling could give 430W power supplies troubles. Most people aren't building rigs like that, but that's not so farfetched for something somebody could buy today.
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On May 15 2012 03:26 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 03:21 Shauni wrote:On May 15 2012 02:56 skyR wrote:
GTX 580 and 800w? I don't think so unless it was on a server board under full load. I was talking from the card alone. Some guy from EVGA talks about it here, unfortunately the images doesn't seem to be working right now but yeah, this was measured with extreme overclocks. But even if you just sit home and overclock casually I think you can break 430w with some overvolt, from the card alone. Dude, that's kingpin. He's a fucking pro OCer, LN2 and shit. He's talking about 1.5v+ on the GPU and shit. http://www.modsrigs.com/detail.aspx?buildid=443One of his rigs.
Holy god that is one hell of a rig
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Yeah. He's sponsored to do that sort of crazy stuff. He REALLY doesn't count for standard use scenarios that we'd talk about. He's the guy EVGA had test their TIM for effectiveness with LN2.
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560 > 560ti in regards to SC2 fps according to anandtech.com comparison. Worse in practically every other regard though. And yeah i wouldn't be picking a radeon, been an nvidia fanboy for awhile now, this combined with how its better at running SC2 and they keep sponsoring things I like means nvidia all the way.
Any recommendations for an optical drive (Dont even know what it is), pm me if you need a question answered, I am on TL alot but usually forget to check back here. Also http://www.box.co.uk/TP-Link_TL-WN951N_Advanced_wireless_11N__997201.html that wireless adapter ok? Stuck on wireless connection for another 3 months -.-
Any way to know if the case is compatible with whatever it needs to be compatible with? Sorry for the stupid questions, as I said im new to this and really appreciate the help so far. Yea I want to get it all from the same site so everything comes in together, haven't been able to play Starcraft in weeks and I get my holidays on the 17th, dying to play!
edit: If there is anything that i could improve for not too much of a cost plz let me know. Its only costing me €630 so far and I don't mind paying anything between 650 - 750ish. Not that I don't like the money. Optical drive the disk reader thing?..assumed that would come with the case O.o.
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that's because it's limited by the cpu, otherwise same performance within error margin
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AnandTech Bench and their reviews have plenty of results that don't make any sense. There's probably some difference in the test system, drivers, or test methodology, to get the GTX 560 beating the GTX 560 Ti in anything.
Optical drives read disc-based media like CDs and DVDs, using lasers. Most people just get CD/DVD burners that can also write such discs, since they're really cheap. A Blu-Ray capable drive is more expensive.
Unless you're sure you're going to get good reception wherever you put your computer, I'd suggest getting a wireless adapter with movable antennas instead. Reception near the floor and blocked by a metal box with electronics inside is generally not good, for example. USB adapters can be okay.
If you're getting a typical tower chassis, the only thing to check is what kind of motherboards it supports. If you get an ATX motherboard, you need a chassis that supports ATX motherboards (has 7 expansion slots on the back or more). mATX motherboards will fit fine in cases that support ATX—there will just be some unused space. The only problem is if you get a smaller case that supports only mATX and buy an ATX motherboard, or something like that. Or if you get a huge graphics card and a particularly small case that can't hold something that long (unlikely for modern tower cases, and if you're not getting something like a GTX 690).
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don't use wireless or mobile internet for gaming... The technology isn't there yet no matter what apple wants you to believe.
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I've been using wireless my entire life for gaming... even on a laptop with a shitty router I have 4ms to the nearest speedtest server... Of course, it depends on your ISP aswell, at home I have 40ms, at my girlfriends I get 4ms. This is with wireless, same laptop, different ISP.
The point is, even if it was wired from my laptop to the router, there would be a negligable difference in ping. Which is the only difference when it comes to gaming.
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On May 15 2012 06:04 Shauni wrote:
don't use wireless or mobile internet for gaming... The technology isn't there yet no matter what apple wants you to believe.
I've played on wireless since sc2 came out just fine. Naturally if you have the option of a wired connection that's preferable but it's certainly playable with wireless. Mobile internet can be a different matter.
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On May 15 2012 06:12 Nabutso wrote:
I've been using wireless my entire life for gaming... even on a laptop with a shitty router I have 4ms to the nearest speedtest server... Of course, it depends on your ISP aswell, at home I have 40ms, at my girlfriends I get 4ms. This is with wireless, same laptop, different ISP.
The point is, even if it was wired from my laptop to the router, there would be a negligable difference in ping. Which is the only difference when it comes to gaming.
Even if you have a really strong signal strength with a good router, packet loss will be higher and instability will occur due to the frequencies. It doesn't just depend on your ISP, it depends on your neighbours, your other electrical components, your router quality. Not to mention the speed isn't quite there, except for with the ac protocol. Streaming things (internally or externally) with wireless is a headache I do not wish upon anyone. And you start talking about the ping? Like seriously?
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On May 15 2012 06:57 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 06:12 Nabutso wrote:
I've been using wireless my entire life for gaming... even on a laptop with a shitty router I have 4ms to the nearest speedtest server... Of course, it depends on your ISP aswell, at home I have 40ms, at my girlfriends I get 4ms. This is with wireless, same laptop, different ISP.
The point is, even if it was wired from my laptop to the router, there would be a negligable difference in ping. Which is the only difference when it comes to gaming. Even if you have a really strong signal strength with a good router, packet loss will be higher and instability will occur due to the frequencies. It doesn't just depend on your ISP, it depends on your neighbours, your other electrical components, your router quality. Not to mention the speed isn't quite there, except for with the ac protocol. Streaming things (internally or externally) with wireless is a headache I do not wish upon anyone. And you start talking about the ping? Like seriously?
And with all that theory aside, so many of us have been gaming our whole lives on wireless connections and honestly it's nowhere near as bad as you make it sound to be. In fact, it's quite acceptable.
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You do realize that there are Layer 2 retransmissions in Wi-Fi? If packets get dropped over the air, they're retransmitted and received within about 1 ms or so from the problem, transparently to the higher layers (and to the end user). Sure, there are hard drops, but that's after several retransmissions have failed. edit: and note that subsequent retransmissions use lower-rate, more robust modulation or error-control coding, so they're more likely to succeed.
If you live in an area with few enough other wireless disturbances, it should be transparent.
Most people have 20 Mbps or lower connections to ISPs, so in terms of throughput, even 802.11a or g is not a bottleneck.
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On May 15 2012 06:57 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 06:12 Nabutso wrote:
I've been using wireless my entire life for gaming... even on a laptop with a shitty router I have 4ms to the nearest speedtest server... Of course, it depends on your ISP aswell, at home I have 40ms, at my girlfriends I get 4ms. This is with wireless, same laptop, different ISP.
The point is, even if it was wired from my laptop to the router, there would be a negligable difference in ping. Which is the only difference when it comes to gaming. Even if you have a really strong signal strength with a good router, packet loss will be higher and instability will occur due to the frequencies. It doesn't just depend on your ISP, it depends on your neighbours, your other electrical components, your router quality. Not to mention the speed isn't quite there, except for with the ac protocol. Streaming things (internally or externally) with wireless is a headache I do not wish upon anyone. And you start talking about the ping? Like seriously?
I stream with wireless internet with a wireless usb adapter.
I have 40ms ping caused by my ISP. the same setup has 4ms ping at my girlfriend's house, who has a lower quality router but a different ISP.
My router picks up 7.9mbit down and .8mbit up and I speedtest at 5.7 down (while watching a stream) and .71 mbit up. The only times I have issue with my stream is when my brother is uploading a youtube video, but that's just because youtube likes to take up 99% of my upload to do so.
The only issues I've had with wireless internet in my entire life has been with my usb adapter sometimes dieing after long periods of being idle, but I just have to replug it and it works fine.
The only time a good wireless (note: most) connection will slow you down is extreme networking benchmarks, where obviously a physical line will be faster.. hardly. If you have a shit ton of interference, a shit ton of walls in the way and all that shit.. well you might as well say a wired connection is terrible because you might have rats chewing on the cords or something.
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Can someone tell me if this computer is good, to stream or play Starcraft in high graphics?
Computer case Nvidea- $109.99,
Video Card Gtx 560 Ti- $189.99
Motherboard DX79TO ATX- $209.98
Processor Intel i5-2400- $179.99
Memory Corsair 8gb- $54.99
DVDRW Sata Lite-on- $29.99
HDD Seagate 500gb Sata- $79.99
Windows 7- $119.99
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core i5 2400 is not compatible with x79 motherboards...
There's also no power supply so good luck turning it on?
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For video cards, is the Radeon 6850 better than the 6870 in terms of value? Amazon prime just made a price hike for the 6870.
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This depends on the pricing obviously...
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On May 15 2012 09:55 skyR wrote:
This depends on the pricing obviously...
6850 is $150 whereas, the 5870 is $191. It may go down again but at this time, which would be the better value?
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