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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 11:09:35
May 13 2012 11:08 GMT
#21821
On May 13 2012 11:47 iTzSnypah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 11:26 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 13 2012 11:22 paddyz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I am gonna put together a PC for SC2 since my existing one just broke. First time picking out parts so advice would be appreciated. My main concern is I want it to run SC2 with no problems, I think it would easily but i want a little overkill . I spend a lot of time gaming and often play for 6-10 hours per day when I have holidays so maybe it needs more fans, really have no clue when it comes to these things. My last computers graphics card couldn't handle it and overheated.


Product: €: Link:
Intel Quad Core i5 Gen 3 180 http://www.box.co.uk/Intel_Core_i5-3450_3.1_GHz_6M_Cache_Sock_1209171.html
CoolMaster Elite 334 40 http://www.box.co.uk/Cooler_Master_Elite_334_Black_Computer_M_668252.html
OR CIT Vantage 40 http://www.box.co.uk/Cit_Vantage_Black_Gaming_Case_Hd_Audio_B_1069089.html
Motherboard Gigabyte 78 http://www.box.co.uk/Gigabyte_GA-B75MD3H_Intel_Socket_1155_M_1195117.html
750w Power Supply 32 http://www.box.co.uk/750W_Ace_Value_Black_PSU_24_Pin_with_12c_1085011.html
Radeon HD6770 PCIe 93 http://www.box.co.uk/_XFX_HD677XZNLC_Radeon_HD_6770_PCI_Expre_1116354.html
8GB DDR3 (2x4GB) 50 http://www.box.co.uk/Kingston_HyperX_Blu_8GB_Memory_Kit_KHX16_900539.html
postage 13

total €486

OS and hard drive is not a problem. Not sure if everything would fit in the 2nd case.
-paddy


Power supply is garbage. Replace with a quality 400w unit, eg. Antec Earthwatts 380D / 430D, Antec Neo Eco 400C, Corsair CX430v2, XFX Core Edition 450, ...

It would be best to get a 6850 or 6870 instead if you are going to be gaming at 1080p.


IF SC2 is the only thing he's worried about I would suggest an nvidia card as SC2 for some reason favors nvidia (anandtech gpu comparison thingy)

EDIT:
Gainward GTX 560 €144.47
http://www.box.co.uk/Gainward_Geforce_1GIG_GTX_560_Graphics_V_1084995.html

560 vs 6870 Bench mark
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/540?vs=543
(in sc2 at 1920*1200 ultra graphics, 6870 is 56.6fps while 560 is 74fps.)


6870 is a lot stronger card than 560. The only reason why 560 beats it in SC2 is because Nvidia "helped" Blizzard "optimize" the code for Nvidia cards.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
G1itch
Profile Joined April 2012
16 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 11:26:51
May 13 2012 11:17 GMT
#21822
Had to wait a bit longer than expected but now im ready to buy...

CPU
Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core - $169.99

Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 ATX LGA1155 - $129.99

Memory
G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 - $46.99

Hard Drive
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM - $94.99
+
Mushkin Chronos 120GB 2.5" SSD - $99.99

Video Card
EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB - $507.55

Case
Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower - $74.99

Power Supply
Corsair 750W ATX12V / EPS12V - $129.99

Optical Drive
Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer - $17.99

Heatsink: I have a Hyper 212 Evo

Total: $1272.47


Questions

1. I can get the 2500k for 169.99 at my local. Should I get that and overclock? Or would it be better to just get the new ivy 3550? How much should I overclock whichever your reccomending?

2. Mushkin 120gb or Crucial 128gb?

3. Is 750w overkill? What wattage should i get?

4. I like fast (who doesn't). Is the speed increase significant enough to justify a 256gb SSD?

5. Do I need more cooling? Or liquid cooling?

Thanks again guys
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
May 13 2012 11:33 GMT
#21823
1) For $170, just get the i5 2500k.
2) Crucial.
3) Yes, 500W is all you need.
4) Depends on how much space you need.
5) No, if you can reuse that Evo.

Note: I would ditch the Barracuda and just get a high density 5400RPM drive. I would also ditch the motherboard and get an MSI, Asrock, or Asus board. No reason to bother with a Gigabyte board.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 12:11:10
May 13 2012 11:49 GMT
#21824
2500k at that price is better. You can probably overclock to around 4.8Ghz fine but around 4.6 might be more appropriate if you want to play it safe.

Crucial is better but that's a pretty nice price even so.

750W is overkill yes, I'd go with some decent 450-500W unit personally such as Rosewill 450 or whatever.

It's not really noticeable, so no if you'd go for 256Gb just for its higher speed in comparison to 128gb SSD. You could try RAID0-ing 64GB SSDs or something but I really don't think you'd even notice the difference. Just buy an actually faster SSD like Vertex 4 or something.

On May 13 2012 20:08 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 11:47 iTzSnypah wrote:
On May 13 2012 11:26 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On May 13 2012 11:22 paddyz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I am gonna put together a PC for SC2 since my existing one just broke. First time picking out parts so advice would be appreciated. My main concern is I want it to run SC2 with no problems, I think it would easily but i want a little overkill . I spend a lot of time gaming and often play for 6-10 hours per day when I have holidays so maybe it needs more fans, really have no clue when it comes to these things. My last computers graphics card couldn't handle it and overheated.


Product: €: Link:
Intel Quad Core i5 Gen 3 180 http://www.box.co.uk/Intel_Core_i5-3450_3.1_GHz_6M_Cache_Sock_1209171.html
CoolMaster Elite 334 40 http://www.box.co.uk/Cooler_Master_Elite_334_Black_Computer_M_668252.html
OR CIT Vantage 40 http://www.box.co.uk/Cit_Vantage_Black_Gaming_Case_Hd_Audio_B_1069089.html
Motherboard Gigabyte 78 http://www.box.co.uk/Gigabyte_GA-B75MD3H_Intel_Socket_1155_M_1195117.html
750w Power Supply 32 http://www.box.co.uk/750W_Ace_Value_Black_PSU_24_Pin_with_12c_1085011.html
Radeon HD6770 PCIe 93 http://www.box.co.uk/_XFX_HD677XZNLC_Radeon_HD_6770_PCI_Expre_1116354.html
8GB DDR3 (2x4GB) 50 http://www.box.co.uk/Kingston_HyperX_Blu_8GB_Memory_Kit_KHX16_900539.html
postage 13

total €486

OS and hard drive is not a problem. Not sure if everything would fit in the 2nd case.
-paddy


Power supply is garbage. Replace with a quality 400w unit, eg. Antec Earthwatts 380D / 430D, Antec Neo Eco 400C, Corsair CX430v2, XFX Core Edition 450, ...

It would be best to get a 6850 or 6870 instead if you are going to be gaming at 1080p.


IF SC2 is the only thing he's worried about I would suggest an nvidia card as SC2 for some reason favors nvidia (anandtech gpu comparison thingy)

EDIT:
Gainward GTX 560 €144.47
http://www.box.co.uk/Gainward_Geforce_1GIG_GTX_560_Graphics_V_1084995.html

560 vs 6870 Bench mark
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/540?vs=543
(in sc2 at 1920*1200 ultra graphics, 6870 is 56.6fps while 560 is 74fps.)


6870 is a lot stronger card than 560. The only reason why 560 beats it in SC2 is because Nvidia "helped" Blizzard "optimize" the code for Nvidia cards.
What? They're practically even, if anything 560 has a very slight advantage. If SC2 is your concern 560 is an obvious choice.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
May 13 2012 14:51 GMT
#21825
So my updated list: (probably don't needs the links, doing so because im a noob in this regard and might not include enough info, sry in advance for the wall of text)

CPU
Intel Quad Core i5 Gen 3 http://www.box.co.uk/Intel_Core_i5-3450_3.1_GHz_6M_Cache_Sock_1209171.html

Case
CiT Vantage Black Gaming Case http://www.box.co.uk/Cit_Vantage_Black_Gaming_Case_Hd_Audio_B_1069089.html

Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H http://www.box.co.uk/Gigabyte_GA-B75M-D3H_Intel_Socket_1155_M_1195117.html

Power Supply
Corsair CX 430 V2 http://www.box.co.uk/Corsair_Builder_Series_CX430_V2_430W_Pow_1091515.html
(My main worry is if 430w is enough, will the computer even be able to boot up?, not doubting you skyR, i can see that you post here a lot and you really know your stuff its just the processor uses 110w, graphics card uses 120w, thats 230w already. Just looking for confirmation that 430w would be enough.)

Graphics Card
Gainward Nvidia Geforce GTX 560 http://www.box.co.uk/Gainward_Geforce_1GIG_GTX_560_Graphics_V_1084995.html

Memory
8GB DDR3 (2x4GB) http://www.box.co.uk/Kingston_HyperX_Blu_8GB_Memory_Kit_KHX16_900539.html

With postage included it comes to €586. I know i haven't included a hard drive, am I missing anything else?
Thank you for the advice so far. Maor SC2 fps already \o/ :D
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 13 2012 15:07 GMT
#21826
A core i5 does not use 110w, a Third Generation Core processor is going to use around / less than 50w under load. Power supplies are most efficient at 50% and all modern good units are rated for continuous wattage. The CPU and GPU are by far the most power hungry components in a configuration, the rest of it is like a joke.
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
May 13 2012 15:34 GMT
#21827
Thank you kind sir
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
May 13 2012 17:33 GMT
#21828
do you have to buy from that shop? their selection of gfx cards is pathetic at best.

in general i wouldnt buy a 560 tbh since its basicly just a higher clocked 460. also 145punds, isnt that like over 180€? for that price you can get a really nice 560ti and arent far from the first 560ti 448core cards. or you go for the cheap version and get either a 6850(~100-120€) or a 6870 (~120-140€).


you are missing a optical drive and as you said a hdd. optional would be a cpu cooler for nicer temps and less noise, but its not needed since you cant really overclock with that cpu.


and yes 430w is enough. i have a 450w one for my 2500k and 560ti448 which both need (way) more power then what you have listed there :>
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
boNStarcraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden30 Posts
May 13 2012 17:34 GMT
#21829
Hi there i'm buying a new computer and would like some advice on components to get but i'm abit in doubt on what too chose so i would like to ask some people that are more informed than me

Could someone give me advice on a good build for a budget of around ~2400$

Would really be appreciated and thanks in advance!
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
May 13 2012 17:39 GMT
#21830
On May 14 2012 02:34 boNStarcraft wrote:
Hi there i'm buying a new computer and would like some advice on components to get but i'm abit in doubt on what too chose so i would like to ask some people that are more informed than me

Could someone give me advice on a good build for a budget of around ~2400$

Would really be appreciated and thanks in advance!


pls answer the questions in the first spoiler in the OP in your post to get solid advice. do that and im sure youll quickly have nice build recommended from our techheads.

and if you just wanna play games with it that budget is like double of what you need for a sick ass gaming machine.
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
boNStarcraft
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden30 Posts
May 13 2012 17:46 GMT
#21831
On May 14 2012 02:39 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 02:34 boNStarcraft wrote:
Hi there i'm buying a new computer and would like some advice on components to get but i'm abit in doubt on what too chose so i would like to ask some people that are more informed than me

Could someone give me advice on a good build for a budget of around ~2400$

Would really be appreciated and thanks in advance!


pls answer the questions in the first spoiler in the OP in your post to get solid advice. do that and im sure youll quickly have nice build recommended from our techheads.

and if you just wanna play games with it that budget is like double of what you need for a sick ass gaming machine.

Oh sorry just came into the middle of this thread, didnt see the OP

+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?

My budget would be around ~$2350

What is your resolution?

Will be getting a 1920x1080 120hz screen shortly after i buy the computer.

What are you using it for?

I will game while streaming and i want to be able to stream at a really high quality as my internet would allow it.
Will also be doing some photoshop, after effects and compiling of computer software.

What is your upgrade cycle?

About 5 years.

When do you plan on building it?

I will order the parts sometime this week.

Do you plan on overclocking?

I'm planning on overclocking the processor abit, yes.

Do you need an Operating System?

Not reall.y

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Not that i'm aware of, but who knows. Maybe in the future.

Where are you buying your parts from?

I will be buying it from http://www.inet.se which is a Swedish site.

Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 19:08:30
May 13 2012 19:05 GMT
#21832
On May 13 2012 20:49 Shikyo wrote:
What? They're practically even, if anything 560 has a very slight advantage. If SC2 is your concern 560 is an obvious choice.


6870 has an advantage stock vs stock:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4344/nvidias-geforce-gtx-560-top-to-bottom-overclock

To sum it up, the main games nvidia win in are showcase games like hawkx and dirt (and sc2) where the code is manipulated by their staff.
6870 draws less power, but is worse at compute (because fermi). 560 might overclock further though. Maybe I exaggerated a bit by saying a lot stronger, but it's still the better card.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
kill619
Profile Joined December 2011
United States212 Posts
May 14 2012 04:52 GMT
#21833
phenom II x4 920(@3.5)
radeon 6850

Im planning to upgrade my graphics card and have been testing all the games i play on the lowest settings possible to test my processor's bottleneck. i was wondering should i turn my resolution down when testing this or should i leave it at the resolution i usually and plan to continue to play at(1600x900)?
xeo1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States429 Posts
May 14 2012 04:53 GMT
#21834
my birthday is coming up so finally I can get new parts.. I have hard drive, CD drive, 430 W PSU, and OS. I am thinking about these, posted previously:

i5-3450 & Biostar H77MU3 mATX $264.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.908588

Pareema 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 1.5v $40.49
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576013

MSI N460GTX $139.99 ($99.99AMIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127646

Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153

OR would it make more sense to get the i5 3570K and Z77 Pro4-M 1155 mATX for $250 from microcenter?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 04:55:56
May 14 2012 04:54 GMT
#21835
On May 14 2012 13:52 kill619 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
phenom II x4 920(@3.5)
radeon 6850

Im planning to upgrade my graphics card and have been testing all the games i play on the lowest settings possible to test my processor's bottleneck. i was wondering should i turn my resolution down when testing this or should i leave it at the resolution i usually and plan to continue to play at(1600x900)?


You can't test for a CPU bottleneck when you only have one card and one processor...?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
May 14 2012 04:56 GMT
#21836
If you want to properly get a CPU limited framerate, you drop to minimum resolution, and turn down all GPU dependent settings to the minimum.

Unless you're worried about CPU dependent games that are already CPU limited, though, you probably shouldn't worry about the CPU at all, just get enough GPU for your needs. Only a handful of games will be bottlenecked by the CPU, and most of those, you can pretty much max at that res with a 6850.

iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
May 14 2012 04:56 GMT
#21837
On May 14 2012 13:53 xeo1 wrote:
my birthday is coming up so finally I can get new parts.. I have hard drive, CD drive, 430 W PSU, and OS. I am thinking about these, posted previously:

i5-3450 & Biostar H77MU3 mATX $264.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.908588

Pareema 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 1.5v $40.49
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576013

MSI N460GTX $139.99 ($99.99AMIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127646

Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153

OR would it make more sense to get the i5 3570K and Z77 Pro4-M 1155 mATX for $250 from microcenter?


IF the 3570k and Z77 board is 250 total then HELL YEAH.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 14 2012 04:58 GMT
#21838
On May 14 2012 13:53 xeo1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
my birthday is coming up so finally I can get new parts.. I have hard drive, CD drive, 430 W PSU, and OS. I am thinking about these, posted previously:

i5-3450 & Biostar H77MU3 mATX $264.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.908588

Pareema 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 1.5v $40.49
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576013

MSI N460GTX $139.99 ($99.99AMIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127646

Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153

OR would it make more sense to get the i5 3570K and Z77 Pro4-M 1155 mATX for $250 from microcenter?


3570k and Z77 for less than a 3450 and H77 is obvious choice. 3570k and Z77 is better and less expensive in your case.

That Pareema kit sucks.
xeo1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States429 Posts
May 14 2012 05:03 GMT
#21839
On May 14 2012 13:58 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 13:53 xeo1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
my birthday is coming up so finally I can get new parts.. I have hard drive, CD drive, 430 W PSU, and OS. I am thinking about these, posted previously:

i5-3450 & Biostar H77MU3 mATX $264.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.908588

Pareema 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 1.5v $40.49
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576013

MSI N460GTX $139.99 ($99.99AMIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127646

Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153

OR would it make more sense to get the i5 3570K and Z77 Pro4-M 1155 mATX for $250 from microcenter?


3570k and Z77 for less than a 3450 and H77 is obvious choice. 3570k and Z77 is better and less expensive in your case.

That Pareema kit sucks.


what kit would you recommend
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 14 2012 05:22 GMT
#21840
On May 14 2012 04:05 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 20:49 Shikyo wrote:
What? They're practically even, if anything 560 has a very slight advantage. If SC2 is your concern 560 is an obvious choice.


6870 has an advantage stock vs stock:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4344/nvidias-geforce-gtx-560-top-to-bottom-overclock

To sum it up, the main games nvidia win in are showcase games like hawkx and dirt (and sc2) where the code is manipulated by their staff.
6870 draws less power, but is worse at compute (because fermi). 560 might overclock further though. Maybe I exaggerated a bit by saying a lot stronger, but it's still the better card.

Bottom line still is...

If you want to play SC2 mostly, 560 is an obvious choice. Also it's better in games like BF3 which uses a modern engine that will be used for future games as well, so it's worth quite a bit more than something like crysis
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