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On May 12 2010 23:52 FragKrag wrote:That computer will run fine on medium  The GT 240 is a low power variant of the 9600GT
Could you recomend an upgrade to get it to high / ultra? is that possible with the MB / PSU? i think its only got a 430W PSU too so ide probably have to upgrade that as well.... well it may not be worth it but i thought i might give it a shot.
.now im just waiting for my new computer to come in the mail so i can finally play beta, i got a key like 3 weeks in but my laptop has only ever hit 19 FPS.... MAX lol. Plus i only got in like 3 choppy as hell games before it overheated -.-. teach me to play games on a study computer :p lol
Oh and thanks for taking the time and helping so many people on this thread!
Have a bejujeler day!
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Would an ATI HD 5650 (laptop version) be able to run SC2 on high? (with an i5 processor)
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Frag, are you sure my PSU won't be able to handle the 9800 GT? I'll post my question again.
I bought the Gateway DX 4831-01e http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529668613.php. I can run the game with an Intel X4500 HD integrated card at around 60 FPS at 1024 x 768 on low, which is definitely playable.
However, I do want to play at higher settings as it is a new game and I'd like to play with better graphics. Therefore, I'm aiming to buy a new card. I looked at the ones you recommended: the 5670, 5570, 4670, and 4650, which are all around the 50-100$ range. The Powercolor 5750 you recommended is at around 180$, something that's a bit out of my price range.
I asked my friend, who can play the game at ultra, about what card I should get and he recommended the 9800 GT to me, a card which I noted could run the game at high on most resolutions and is at around the same price as the four cards you recommended me.
Would the 9800 GT be a good fit for my desktop or does the PSU once again eliminate that possibility? I would definitely buy it as it's around the same price as the four you recommended me and seems to have the best performance.
Once again, it seems to be the same price as the four your recommended me and yet has the best performance out of all of them.
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Your computer came with a 300w psu you need atleast 400w to run a 9800 GT
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It just doesn't make sense to me to see all four of those other cards be able to run at 300 watts and the 9800 GT be the same price as those said four cards and have a better performance and yet not be able to run at 300 watts.
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On May 13 2010 05:56 Prozen wrote:
It just doesn't make sense to me to see all four of those other cards be able to run at 300 watts and the 9800 GT be the same price as those said four cards and have a better performance and yet not be able to run at 300 watts.
I don't understand, the price may be similar might just because a 9800gt is a good buy atm etc, and the reason it may perform better partially may be the fact it draws more power. Its not going to perform better and be taking in less power. (This is kind of awkwardly worded because some cards do perform better and takes in less power, but that just means the cards are better. not really sure how to say it)
This 9800GT that may be able to run on a 300w its a less power consumption design http://ncix.com/products/?sku=38870&vpn=BFGE981024GTGE&manufacture=BFG Technologies&promoid=1069
Just get a new psu :p
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Unfortunately, I don't know what's a good PSU that's cheap and provides a decent amount of wattage. On top of that, I don't know how to upgrade my PSU and I'd rather buy a Graphics card (I could just pop it in and it will work!).
And wow, that power consumption design for the 9800 GT looks promising. Can you find that on Newegg for me?
Also, a power consumption model isn't really different from the original 9800 GT right? Just consumes less than the wattage you would expect the normal one to consume? I could probably expect this to run the game at high right?
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Idk if you still need a number for a GTX 260 like your spoiler says but I have one and i get ~60 fps from fraps on ultra
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Unrelated, but I'm always surprised about how many relatively pricey comps come wiht 300w no name PSUs.
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Get this psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006
20w makes a huge difference, don't even try any decent card with a 300-420w psu. Its not that the card pulls that much power all the time, but they do have brief spikes of power consumption that will crash your pc and fuck your shit up without the proper overhead.
You cannot neglect the importance of a high-quality psu, its the most important part of your pc. If it fails so does everything else.
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I got that very same power supply, along with my brand new $1000+ computer a few months ago.
It worked for about 20 minuets, before crashing my computer. After that, the computer would simply keep turning itself off every few minuets. I spent two days trying to figure out what the problem was because I had all new computer parts and any computer part could have been the problem. The very last thing I checked was the power supply and that was the problem. Once I replaced the power supply, everything worked fine.
I will never go with that brand of power supply again. My $1000 computer could have fried because of that power supply. I do not know how I came out of that without any damage to my brand new computer.
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those two aren't even in the same ballpark i7 vs core 2 duo, 360M vs 260 M, the more expensive one blows the cheaper one out of the water.
If you're planning on running everything at low at like 1024x768 then i'm sure this laptop will be fine for a couple of years, but think about regular video cards from 4 years ago. The Geforce 7 series can barely run SC2, and that was top of the line back then. Chances are this laptop won't even last that long anyways
On May 13 2010 12:30 DanceDance wrote:I got that very same power supply, along with my brand new $1000+ computer a few months ago. It worked for about 20 minuets, before crashing my computer. After that, the computer would simply keep turning itself off every few minuets. I spent two days trying to figure out what the problem was because I had all new computer parts and any computer part could have been the problem. The very last thing I checked was the power supply and that was the problem. Once I replaced the power supply, everything worked fine. I will never go with that brand of power supply again. My $1000 computer could have fried because of that power supply. I do not know how I came out of that without any damage to my brand new computer.
lol, corsair is like, one of the best PSU companies in the world. but to each his/her own
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thanks for the fast reply,
i was under the impression that the GTX260M > GTS360M as a graphics card? That is the only reason why i was considering the cheaper laptop, and from the research i've done, the 260M can run SC2 on ultra just fine?
edit: Sources:
» NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M large ~ 66%
The Nvidia GeForce GTX 260M is basically a higher clocked GeForce 9800M GTX in 55nm and based on the G92b core (therefore not compareable to the desktop GTX 260). Compared with the 9800M GTX, the GTX 260M is produced in 55nm and therefore higher clocked.
Core Icon 550 MHz, 112 - unified, DX10 | Memory Icon 950 MHz, 256 Bit
» NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M large * ~ 62%
Same chip as the GTS 260M but with higher clock rates (412 versus 396 Gigaflops according to Nvidia). Delivers a high end performance with GDDR5 graphics memory.
Core Icon 550 MHz, 96 - unified, DX10.1 | Memory Icon 1800 MHz, 128 Bit
Source: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Comparison-of-Grafic-Cards.130.0.html
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To further clarify, my understanding is that the refurbished cheaper laptop has a better gfx card than the more expensive laptop. But it has core 2duo instead of i7. My main question is, disregarding just the tech chase for a minute, and focusing on the practical usage side of things, how much better does the i7 out perform the core 2duo?
and is the gfx power decrease worth the processor power increase, in terms of just gaming? (ie: assuming i just run sc2 and close other programs)
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On May 13 2010 12:09 DrSmoke wrote:Get this psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681713900620w makes a huge difference, don't even try any decent card with a 300-420w psu. Its not that the card pulls that much power all the time, but they do have brief spikes of power consumption that will crash your pc and fuck your shit up without the proper overhead. You cannot neglect the importance of a high-quality psu, its the most important part of your pc. If it fails so does everything else.
Uh, why does he need 750W...? A 550VX or even 450VX would be perfectly fine for his build.
Railxp: I'm not sure about the graphics, but the i7 will do a lot better in newer games if they support multithreading (like BFBC2, Anno 1404)
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On May 13 2010 12:45 Railxp wrote:thanks for the fast reply, i was under the impression that the GTX260M > GTS360M as a graphics card? That is the only reason why i was considering the cheaper laptop, and from the research i've done, the 260M can run SC2 on ultra just fine? edit: Sources: » NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M large ~ 66% The Nvidia GeForce GTX 260M is basically a higher clocked GeForce 9800M GTX in 55nm and based on the G92b core (therefore not compareable to the desktop GTX 260). Compared with the 9800M GTX, the GTX 260M is produced in 55nm and therefore higher clocked. Core Icon 550 MHz, 112 - unified, DX10 | Memory Icon 950 MHz, 256 Bit » NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M large * ~ 62% Same chip as the GTS 260M but with higher clock rates (412 versus 396 Gigaflops according to Nvidia). Delivers a high end performance with GDDR5 graphics memory. Core Icon 550 MHz, 96 - unified, DX10.1 | Memory Icon 1800 MHz, 128 Bit Source: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Comparison-of-Grafic-Cards.130.0.html---- To further clarify, my understanding is that the refurbished cheaper laptop has a better gfx card than the more expensive laptop. But it has core 2duo instead of i7. My main question is, disregarding just the tech chase for a minute, and focusing on the practical usage side of things, how much better does the i7 out perform the core 2duo? and is the gfx power decrease worth the processor power increase, in terms of just gaming? (ie: assuming i just run sc2 and close other programs)
ok you're right, my bad. laptop gpu naming makes no sense to me at all
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On May 13 2010 12:37 KOFgokuon wrote:those two aren't even in the same ballpark i7 vs core 2 duo, 360M vs 260 M, the more expensive one blows the cheaper one out of the water. If you're planning on running everything at low at like 1024x768 then i'm sure this laptop will be fine for a couple of years, but think about regular video cards from 4 years ago. The Geforce 7 series can barely run SC2, and that was top of the line back then. Chances are this laptop won't even last that long anyways Show nested quote +On May 13 2010 12:30 DanceDance wrote:I got that very same power supply, along with my brand new $1000+ computer a few months ago. It worked for about 20 minuets, before crashing my computer. After that, the computer would simply keep turning itself off every few minuets. I spent two days trying to figure out what the problem was because I had all new computer parts and any computer part could have been the problem. The very last thing I checked was the power supply and that was the problem. Once I replaced the power supply, everything worked fine. I will never go with that brand of power supply again. My $1000 computer could have fried because of that power supply. I do not know how I came out of that without any damage to my brand new computer. lol, corsair is like, one of the best PSU companies in the world. but to each his/her own
2xxM vs 3xxM
Although the 360M is sporting GDDR5 it wont matter lol it's really just a selling point, if you look at the clocks and the chip it's pretty much the same except the 360m is slighly more clocked on the shader due to the higher memory which wont matter.
The 260M and 360M are G92b variants and are pretty much the same chip except the 360 has a different memory controller which still runs it in at = a 9800GT in terms of desktop
cpu 1 vs cpu2
well the cpu 1 is higher clocked and a dual core, while cpu 2 is a quad core, i'd expect the dual core to do better for now at least.
Along with that the i7 one has a 1920x1080 screen while the P has a 1366x768 screen
Imo just because of the cpu and screen the more expensive one is worth it, the other one would be fine for gaming for awhile but it also sports a small screen and older tech.
There is nothing really large gap between the graphics card on them but the cpu and screen are quite different, i love larger resolution screens.
is pretty much in name
I've tested the 5770 you can run everything on ultra except for lighting and shaders (leave those on high) and you get pretty consistent 60 fps with virtually no drops, turn shaders or lighting to ultra or extreme and you hit massive drops during game play which mess with the experience imo. I've tested this on my i5-750 4.0ghz and my E8400 4.0ghz. Still it's pretty much the best around that price though. atleast at 1920x1080
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On May 13 2010 13:45 KOFgokuon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2010 12:45 Railxp wrote:thanks for the fast reply, i was under the impression that the GTX260M > GTS360M as a graphics card? That is the only reason why i was considering the cheaper laptop, and from the research i've done, the 260M can run SC2 on ultra just fine? edit: Sources: » NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M large ~ 66% The Nvidia GeForce GTX 260M is basically a higher clocked GeForce 9800M GTX in 55nm and based on the G92b core (therefore not compareable to the desktop GTX 260). Compared with the 9800M GTX, the GTX 260M is produced in 55nm and therefore higher clocked. Core Icon 550 MHz, 112 - unified, DX10 | Memory Icon 950 MHz, 256 Bit » NVIDIA GeForce GTS 360M large * ~ 62% Same chip as the GTS 260M but with higher clock rates (412 versus 396 Gigaflops according to Nvidia). Delivers a high end performance with GDDR5 graphics memory. Core Icon 550 MHz, 96 - unified, DX10.1 | Memory Icon 1800 MHz, 128 Bit Source: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Comparison-of-Grafic-Cards.130.0.html---- To further clarify, my understanding is that the refurbished cheaper laptop has a better gfx card than the more expensive laptop. But it has core 2duo instead of i7. My main question is, disregarding just the tech chase for a minute, and focusing on the practical usage side of things, how much better does the i7 out perform the core 2duo? and is the gfx power decrease worth the processor power increase, in terms of just gaming? (ie: assuming i just run sc2 and close other programs) ok you're right, my bad. laptop gpu naming makes no sense to me at all
OEMS like dell and asus etc request a name change during the nvidia long hiatus without putting new chips out int the market so basically the 3xx are all rebarnaded 2xx series cards.
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