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On May 13 2010 13:25 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2010 12:09 DrSmoke wrote:Get this psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681713900620w makes a huge difference, don't even try any decent card with a 300-420w psu. Its not that the card pulls that much power all the time, but they do have brief spikes of power consumption that will crash your pc and fuck your shit up without the proper overhead. You cannot neglect the importance of a high-quality psu, its the most important part of your pc. If it fails so does everything else. Uh, why does he need 750W...? A 550VX or even 450VX would be perfectly fine for his build. Railxp: I'm not sure about the graphics, but the i7 will do a lot better in newer games if they support multithreading (like BFBC2, Anno 1404)
550vx and 450vx are overpriced though due to corsair (lol well seasonics) popularity. I've been burned by corsair got a bad 650hx to replace my old PC power 610w and the psu had a loose part or something would sometimes make a noise and spark lol couldn't open it up to check it out becuase i wanted to use my warranty, worked out just fine though. Corsair is a ton easier to handle then ocz when it comes to customer service.
I mean for a tad cheaper of the price of a 450vx you can get a earthwatts 500d
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371035
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Right now I'm thinking of upgrading my graphics card but I'm really thorn.
Either I'll be getting a HD4850 (512 MB, Shader 4.1, DirectX 10.1, GDDR3; 7200 points on futuremark) or I'll be getting a HD 5770 (1GB, Shader 5.0, DirectX11, GDDR5; 9200 points on futuremark).
The prices for these is ~132 USD for the HD4850 and ~185USD for the HD5770. If this was something that didn't matter to me I'd obviously just get the 5770. But I have a decent shortage of cash, and would really like to know what differences I can expect between the cards (as I'd love to get the 4850). The 60 USD difference is quite heavy to me but if it more than makes up for it, I'd see it as a nice investment.
The rest of my current specs are:
24'' monitor (1980x1080)
AMD Athlon X2 5600+ (~3.00GHz)
3 GB 800MHz RAM
7600 RPM HDD
ATI HD3650 (being replaced)
Thanks in advance.
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On May 13 2010 14:11 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2010 13:25 FragKrag wrote:On May 13 2010 12:09 DrSmoke wrote:Get this psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681713900620w makes a huge difference, don't even try any decent card with a 300-420w psu. Its not that the card pulls that much power all the time, but they do have brief spikes of power consumption that will crash your pc and fuck your shit up without the proper overhead. You cannot neglect the importance of a high-quality psu, its the most important part of your pc. If it fails so does everything else. Uh, why does he need 750W...? A 550VX or even 450VX would be perfectly fine for his build. Railxp: I'm not sure about the graphics, but the i7 will do a lot better in newer games if they support multithreading (like BFBC2, Anno 1404) 550vx and 450vx are overpriced though due to corsair (lol well seasonics) popularity. I've been burned by corsair got a bad 650hx to replace my old PC power 610w and the psu had a loose part or something would sometimes make a noise and spark lol couldn't open it up to check it out becuase i wanted to use my warranty, worked out just fine though. Corsair is a ton easier to handle then ocz when it comes to customer service. I mean for a tad cheaper of the price of a 450vx you can get a earthwatts 500d http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371035
The problem is that you suggested a 750W PSU for the job that a much lower wattage PSU would be more than capable of handling.
@Mudd:
The 5770 will offer better frames at every resolution, and the 5770 has the faster GDDR5 memory which allows faster communication to the CPU. I would save the money for it if you want to be able to run SC2 at Ultra. If not, go with the cheaper card.
If you really want the HD 4850, you should consider the Nvidia GTS 250 which should be around the same price(at least in the USA), and offers better performance most of the time.
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AMD Athlon XS 5600+ (~3.00GHz)
3 GB 667MHz RAM
XS? X2 64 you mean probably a Brisbane if it's a t 3.00ghz
on that cpu i wouldn't expect much difference between 4850 and 5770 just imo i mean there will be a difference but i would think that the cpu would be the first thing to fall behind. It's all a matter of when you can upgrade the cpu and ram, if you could do it in like a year or so i would consider going the 5770 rout if you plan on never opening up the computer again 4850 will be fine imo.
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Speaking of power I have a quick question. Is anyone familiar with Dell PSUs? Does anyone know the PSU that comes with the new Dell XPS systems? Its interesting they can be ordered with some power hungry cards, but someone told me they come with a 380w PSU? How is this possible?
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Dell is notorious for giving you a psu that just fits the requirements of the system. Although a xps with only a 380w psu i can't really think why it would when it would be a quad core and a dedicated card i could seem them going a 450 or 500w rout though.
It's probably a bit dependent on what xps system you get and what you put in there.
i looked at studio xps it's ultra dependent on what you get i mean only a few selections have graphics cards that would need a psu over 400w
Their old gaming xps is now part of alien-ware if you are confused why this is.
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On May 13 2010 14:33 semantics wrote:
AMD Athlon XS 5600+ (~3.00GHz)
3 GB 667MHz RAM
XS? X2 64 you mean probably a Brisbane if it's a t 3.00ghz
on that cpu i wouldn't expect much difference between 4850 and 5770 just imo i mean there will be a difference but i would think that the cpu would be the first thing to fall behind. It's all a matter of when you can upgrade the cpu and ram, if you could do it in like a year or so i would consider going the 5770 rout if you plan on never opening up the computer again 4850 will be fine imo.
I meant X2 64. Typo that's now fixed. Also realised that the RAM is at 800MHz, not 667.
Anyway, does the same logic apply?
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On May 13 2010 14:51 Mudd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2010 14:33 semantics wrote:
AMD Athlon XS 5600+ (~3.00GHz)
3 GB 667MHz RAM
XS? X2 64 you mean probably a Brisbane if it's a t 3.00ghz
on that cpu i wouldn't expect much difference between 4850 and 5770 just imo i mean there will be a difference but i would think that the cpu would be the first thing to fall behind. It's all a matter of when you can upgrade the cpu and ram, if you could do it in like a year or so i would consider going the 5770 rout if you plan on never opening up the computer again 4850 will be fine imo. I meant X2 64. Typo that's now fixed. Also realised that the RAM is at 800MHz, not 667. Anyway, does the same logic apply?
Your CPU is still the bottleneck yes.
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On May 13 2010 14:41 semantics wrote:
Dell is notorious for giving you a psu that just fits the requirements of the system. Although a xps with only a 380w psu i can't really think why it would when it would be a quad core and a dedicated card i could seem them going a 450 or 500w rout though.
It's probably a bit dependent on what xps system you get and what you put in there.
i looked at studio xps it's ultra dependent on what you get i mean only a few selections have graphics cards that would need a psu over 400w
Their old gaming xps is now part of alien-ware if you are confused why this is.
Well the reason I ask is for example in their XPS 8100 and 9000 (not the alienwares) they give you the options for things like the GTX260 or HD5870 and I Googled the PSU in these comps and people claim a 380W. Seems kind of odd to me unless I'm totally misinformed.
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On May 13 2010 17:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Your CPU is still the bottleneck yes.
So what should I roughly be looking for to be up to par with the graphics cards?
I also really don't get it. Aren't shaders and lightning supposed to be almost solely based on the graphics card. Ye sure, I can't put some other stuff up, but what hinders me from doing the former?
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I've got a good bit of lag on my computer running the game on low graphics, but its brand new with a brand new graphics card... WTF
Specs:
CPU: Pentium (R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 2.1GHz apiece
GPU: Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset (there might be something else after it but i have no idea)...
RAM: 4GB
pm me if you know why it isn't running right and what I can do to fix it :S
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On May 14 2010 00:23 KnightOfNi wrote:
I've got a good bit of lag on my computer running the game on low graphics, but its brand new with a brand new graphics card... WTF
Specs:
CPU: Pentium (R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 2.1GHz apiece
GPU: Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset (there might be something else after it but i have no idea)...
RAM: 4GB
pm me if you know why it isn't running right and what I can do to fix it :S
Hate to break this to you, but that GPU is 2 years out of date and wasn't very good when it came out to begin with.
http://www.notebookjournal.de/praxis/exclusive--intel-centrino-2-performance-test-79/1
Note the benchmarks, not exactly healthy. I'm afraid you're not going to get particularly good performance out of a machine like that and if the person who sold it to you claimed it was brand new, then you have been grossly mislead.
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Well seeing as how i got the computer brand new 5 months ago...
EDIT: anything i can do to fix it?
EDIT2: actually the graphics card is this:
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD
Dunno what the thing was telling me but going on dell's website tells me thats whats in this machine and if its not i should be able to file a complaint..
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cool! thank you everyone for the advice!
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hey there!
i can get this setting for ~300€, is it worth buying? i mostly wanna play starcraft 2 and playing it with medium settings is enough for me (it should run well though).
550W ATX
AMD ATHLON X2 250
2048MB DDR 2 RAM PC 800
S-ATA 250GB 7200U/MIN
1024MB GEFORCE 9800GT PCI-EXPRESS
ECS 8100 NFORCE Mainboard with PCI-E
i have another 1024MB DDR RAM already so I could put it in there too. I wanna use Windows XP!
will this run sc2 smoothly? thanks for help 
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On May 14 2010 00:59 KnightOfNi wrote:
Well seeing as how i got the computer brand new 5 months ago...
EDIT: anything i can do to fix it?
EDIT2: actually the graphics card is this:
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD
Dunno what the thing was telling me but going on dell's website tells me thats whats in this machine and if its not i should be able to file a complaint..
No, you bought a laptop, there is no upgrade path. It's got an extremely low-end gpu in it and will not play modern games well.
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What do you guys think about 5750 vs 5770. I can't decide which one to get for my new comp. How much of a difference would it make?
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I'm going to be buying a new system here pretty soon, like many others, and I'd appreciate if anyone could give me some recommendations on adjusting this setup? If theres a similar performance change that is cheaper i'd be interested, or if a slight jump in price has added value then that also, etc.
Setup:
i7-920 2.66ghz
Asus P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX
EVGA Geforce GTX 470 1280mb 2.0 pci-x 16
Antec 650W continuous ATX12V
G.Skill 6gb ddr 3 2000
I might upgrade the ram and add another video card at some point in the next 6 months. Is there anything to keep in mind for future upgrades? I've never done SLI, and so don't know what limitations there are as far as compatibility? My power supply is 'crossfire ready' but I don't know if that is just marketing wank...
btw this system is mostly for gaming (not huge on fps, mostly rpg/strat.) and I hope to have it last for a few years at least.
Any input is appreciated, thanks!
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sli is overkill, hold off purchasing that second card.
also, the i7-930 is replacing the 920, only costs a little more so why not.
if you want to future proof it, you might want a motherboard with usb3 and sata 6gb/s.
Also, if you do sli two 470s, you probably want a beefier power supply. 750w-850w to be safe.
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