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+ Show Spoiler +CARLSBAD, Calif., Aug 11, 2009 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Razer(TM), a leading manufacturer of high-end precision gaming and lifestyle peripherals, has joined forces with Blizzard Entertainment, a premier developer and publisher of entertainment software, to co-develop StarCraft((R)) II gaming peripherals powered by Razer technology. With the upcoming launch of StarCraft II, Razer and Blizzard Entertainment are collaborating on bringing gamers a quality tournament-grade mouse, keyboard and headset specifically designed to maximize the StarCraft II gameplay experience.
"It has been a little over a decade since StarCraft first rocked the video game industry and began a legacy that continues to this day," said Robert "Razerguy" Krakoff, president, Razer USA. "We're extremely excited to be working with Blizzard Entertainment on the StarCraft II gaming peripherals and gear. The project is in the development phase with a focus on serving up innovative features while offering precision, cutting-edge technology, accuracy, speed and comfort." "Razer's high-quality gaming products have long been popular among our global community of players, and we're pleased to now be collaborating with them directly," said Paul Sams, chief operating officer of Blizzard Entertainment.
"Through this partnership, we're looking forward to working with Razer to develop a line of peripherals that will complement the fast-paced action of StarCraft II." The first Razer StarCraft II tournament level gaming peripherals are poised to revolutionize the RTS category. The new line of professional gaming peripherals are engineered and designed from the ground up with unique exclusive features to cater to the StarCraft II community. Razer will incorporate its expertise in design, ergonomics, technology, and professional gaming peripherals to give StarCraft II gamers the competitive edge.
In addition to the co-development of Razer StarCraft II gaming peripherals, Razer will design an exclusive StarCraft II messenger bag, backpack, and E-Sport Pro Gamer Case. Razer will showcase the StarCraft II messenger bag at the upcoming BlizzCon(R) gaming convention, to be held August 21-22 at the Anaheim Convention Center in California. Razer will also showcase its full line of gaming gaming-grade peripherals, including the Razer Lycosa(TM) keyboard, Razer Carcharias(TM) professional PC gaming headset and the Razer DeathAdder(TM) gaming mouse.
Source:http://www.cnbc.com/id/32373522
Here is the page for sc2 stuff on Razer's website: http://www2.razerzone.com/sc2/index.php
Right now they only have a messenger bag up, it looks pretty sweet. Yay for more stuff to spend money on!
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the messenger has potential..but dunno, looks a little bit off  .
I hope they come up with some crazy stuff, and really good productos. Would be lovely to have a special edition mouse for each race (changing colors for race, blue for protoss, red for terran, purple for zerg).
 that'd be so cool~
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razer's sponsorship of TSL paid off!
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Sounds promising. The Crotchmaster will be delighted I imagine. Or maybe it's all his doing in the first place. 
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Can't have ESPORTS without a multitude of sponsors/partners. Smart move to make things more global.
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This will bring much to ESPORTS.
I really wonder how much some of this stuff will cost, and whether it will be worth the price, considering many players play on old, inexpensive mice/keyboards.
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51444 Posts
razer please produce a keyboard quiver (like the ones progamers have)
:D
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FS must be doing backflips right now.
Niiice!
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I bought the messenger bag, (The Blizzcon Terran one), it came in the mail yesterday.
It FAR exceeds the quality of what I imagined when I saw the picture and bought it. It's awesome.
It actually has an entire SC2 battle scene printed on the inside. I actually had no idea it was Razer until I spotted a small little tag on it, and had no idea it was a part of this Razer partnership until I read this post. =P
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Oh boy, episodic content, no LAN with pay-only features on Bnet, online single player achievements, and now special SC2 mouse and headset to milk whatever was left in your wallet! Seriously rofl @ Blizzard.
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On August 12 2009 09:19 whyohwhy wrote:
Oh boy, episodic content, no LAN with pay-only features on Bnet, online single player achievements, and now special SC2 mouse and headset to milk whatever was left in your wallet! Seriously rofl @ Blizzard.
Don't buy it?
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On August 12 2009 09:19 whyohwhy wrote:
Oh boy, episodic content, no LAN with pay-only features on Bnet, online single player achievements, and now special SC2 mouse and headset to milk whatever was left in your wallet! Seriously rofl @ Blizzard.
It seems like there will always be one person complaining, even if there is no reason too.
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awesome, I'll get a marine or siege tank background on my mousepad!!
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Welcome to the world of consumerism, a land ripe with addiction, never able to get enough! It'll ruin your economy, it'll tear apart your lives, but you just can't get away from it! Its the never ending trap that you just keep falling for, love it or hate it, you'll be apart of it. Consumerism, it does a world good!
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Judging by the evolution of music, movies, and nowadays even pc gaming, I wouldn't quite say "it does a world good". It's over the hill by and large now.
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On August 12 2009 09:29 kyama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2009 09:19 whyohwhy wrote:
Oh boy, episodic content, no LAN with pay-only features on Bnet, online single player achievements, and now special SC2 mouse and headset to milk whatever was left in your wallet! Seriously rofl @ Blizzard. It seems like there will always be one person complaining, even if there is no reason too.
Look, all I know is I'm getting tired of all these announcement for a thousand ways to spend your money before the game is even in beta. It's just too much trivial BS and not enough actual game to play.
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On August 12 2009 09:41 whyohwhy wrote:
Judging by the evolution of music, movies, and nowadays even pc gaming, I wouldn't quite say "it does a world good". It's over the hill by and large now. You make it sounds like it's new or something now... like it's a surprise?
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Blizzard has pretty much released everything possible for sc2.. besides the game lol.. im sure if they didnt release sc2.. they woulda still made profit off sc2..
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Hmm, interesting.
I still just want to know if the g15 is implemented in sc2 at all. It was in wow, and the WWI vids from way back then showed every pc with a g15 keyboard. Which would be an odd choice if they didn't. But the quality was too low for me to tell if the LCD was displaying anything sc related or not.
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I like the Sunken Colony and Zergling references.
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Q: Isn't blizzard partnered with steelseries too.. That doesn't make sense to me..why partner up with the 2 competitors.. Blizzard = double crossing?@
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On August 12 2009 09:44 Tsagacity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2009 09:41 whyohwhy wrote:
Judging by the evolution of music, movies, and nowadays even pc gaming, I wouldn't quite say "it does a world good". It's over the hill by and large now. You make it sounds like it's new or something now... like it's a surprise?
It's not any more acceptable because it's old, unless you're the type who caves in to mediocrity just because someone else told you it was ok.
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So, who pissed in your cheerios today whyohwhy? Don't like it, don't buy it. And you talk like this affect the development time of SC2 somehow.
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On August 12 2009 10:26 StalkerSC wrote:
Q: Isn't blizzard partnered with steelseries too.. That doesn't make sense to me..why partner up with the 2 competitors.. Blizzard = double crossing?@
more like razer went to blizzard asking for license in sc2 products. I doubt blizzard would go around trying to advertise these kind of things There are many companies asking blizzard for sc2 stuff etc..
they aren't the only one who want to make money with sc2
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On August 12 2009 10:26 StalkerSC wrote:
Q: Isn't blizzard partnered with steelseries too.. That doesn't make sense to me..why partner up with the 2 competitors.. Blizzard = double crossing?@
What's wrong with having two sponsors/business partners in the same field?
I think Blizzard's objective here is to sell as much merchandise as possible, and I think regardless of competitors doing the same thing, it would be wise to get on board with Blizzard. Win/Win.
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On August 12 2009 10:37 whyohwhy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2009 09:44 Tsagacity wrote:On August 12 2009 09:41 whyohwhy wrote:
Judging by the evolution of music, movies, and nowadays even pc gaming, I wouldn't quite say "it does a world good". It's over the hill by and large now. You make it sounds like it's new or something now... like it's a surprise? It's not any more acceptable because it's old, unless you're the type who caves in to mediocrity just because someone else told you it was ok.
You're part of consumerism as well.
And to repeat what several people have already said: You don't have to buy SC2.
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On August 12 2009 11:11 Tsagacity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2009 10:37 whyohwhy wrote:On August 12 2009 09:44 Tsagacity wrote:On August 12 2009 09:41 whyohwhy wrote:
Judging by the evolution of music, movies, and nowadays even pc gaming, I wouldn't quite say "it does a world good". It's over the hill by and large now. You make it sounds like it's new or something now... like it's a surprise? It's not any more acceptable because it's old, unless you're the type who caves in to mediocrity just because someone else told you it was ok. You're part of consumerism as well. And to repeat what several people have already said: You don't have to buy SC2.
Unless I want to play RTS that isn't red alert 5 with dolphins or dawn of fail 2 with no macro.
I mean is it even legal at this point in the USA to have expectations higher than hannah montana marketing garbage? They should clearly outlaw it seeing how unbearable it is for people to be reminded even Blizzard is turning into a big pile of shit.
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On August 12 2009 09:49 iMate wrote:
Blizzard has pretty much released everything possible for sc2.. besides the game lol.. im sure if they didnt release sc2.. they woulda still made profit off sc2..
That's what I'm saying.
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On August 12 2009 09:49 iMate wrote:
Blizzard has pretty much released everything possible for sc2.. besides the game lol.. im sure if they didnt release sc2.. they woulda still made profit off sc2..
they even released a sc2 poker set.
but in a serious note, it might look really bad when the korean progamers refuse to give up their logitech optical minis.
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On August 12 2009 09:41 whyohwhy wrote:
Judging by the evolution of music, movies, and nowadays even pc gaming, I wouldn't quite say "it does a world good". It's over the hill by and large now.
haha you didn't sense the satire, rampant consumerism and the need to spend, spend, spend to keep the economy is running is the reason the US and the world for that matter are in the state they are.
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On August 12 2009 11:43 Alizee- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2009 09:41 whyohwhy wrote:
Judging by the evolution of music, movies, and nowadays even pc gaming, I wouldn't quite say "it does a world good". It's over the hill by and large now. haha you didn't sense the satire, rampant consumerism and the need to spend, spend, spend to keep the economy is running is the reason the US and the world for that matter are in the state they are.
Oops mybad. And yes indeed.
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This shit sounds like it's going to be one huge waste of money in my opinion...
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please produce a Cherry-like Keyboard.
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awesome! i cant wait for the siick gear they gonna come up with :D
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On August 12 2009 09:56 DeCoup wrote:
Hmm, interesting.
I still just want to know if the g15 is implemented in sc2 at all. It was in wow, and the WWI vids from way back then showed every pc with a g15 keyboard. Which would be an odd choice if they didn't. But the quality was too low for me to tell if the LCD was displaying anything sc related or not.
That would be badass...shows you your min/gas/food count in the HUD thingy.
lol. Useless, but would be kinda cool.
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And pros will still use 10$ logitech miniobs...
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MrHoon
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On August 12 2009 14:26 decafchicken wrote:
And pros will still use 10$ logitech miniobs...
and 5000 won DT35 keyboards fetched from the Yongsan Electronic Recycle Bin
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On August 12 2009 12:13 PH wrote:
This shit sounds like it's going to be one huge waste of money in my opinion...
qft
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Valhalla18444 Posts
fiiiiiinally this is announced
this project is pretty much why i was hired the design basis for the products is 100% based on what is ideal for competitive StarCraft players
its fucking exciting and i'm very happy its been announced so i can stop answering 'what do you do at razer' with 'well i cant really tell you'
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
is this fakesteves doing???
oh right i posted before reading the thread lololools ^
congrats for 'finishing' this project then i guess!
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Awesome news.
Hopefully this is better than the fatal1ty crap.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
the project is nowhere near finished, it's just finally announced
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It was in the Singapore papers, complete with Steve's picture as part of the design team
Steve in the news omg
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On August 12 2009 16:32 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:fiiiiiinally this is announced this project is pretty much why i was hired the design basis for the products is 100% based on what is ideal for competitive StarCraft players its fucking exciting and i'm very happy its been announced so i can stop answering 'what do you do at razer' with 'well i cant really tell you'
Grats steve you just got +1 cool
But I have a question..I just ordered a bunch of mice and stuff from razer..(krait, Salmosa, sphex and lycosa) will they become obsolete? or is the new stuff more like just merchandise? example.. the razer krait with red lights and a terran emblem on it??
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On August 12 2009 16:32 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:fiiiiiinally this is announced this project is pretty much why i was hired the design basis for the products is 100% based on what is ideal for competitive StarCraft players its fucking exciting and i'm very happy its been announced so i can stop answering 'what do you do at razer' with 'well i cant really tell you'
fakesteve you are the best! any chance TL members get stuff for free ^_^
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My original Starcraft 1 box (collector's edition zerg artwork of course) would fit perfectly in that zerg messenger bag
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On August 12 2009 16:32 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:fiiiiiinally this is announced this project is pretty much why i was hired the design basis for the products is 100% based on what is ideal for competitive StarCraft players its fucking exciting and i'm very happy its been announced so i can stop answering 'what do you do at razer' with 'well i cant really tell you'
Oh that's pretty cool.
I don't really care about the mouse as there are plenty of solid mice for gaming. What is really missing is a solid keyboard designed for RTS. My take would include the following:
1) No Numpad.
2) A proper Ctrl and Shift layout, perhaps an ambidextrous layout if possible.
3) Instead of having 1-0 in one row, I would have 1-5 in one row and above 6-0 and on top of those the F keys.
4) All keys customizable, including Ctrl and Shift keys if possible.
5) Keys that are indented and pops out fast after being pressed.
Oh man pls make such a keyboard Steve, I beg you!!!!
It's actually pretty smart of Razor to do this, if they get the keyboard right it will become a must for the competitive SC2 scene, which will be HUGE.
Are you allowed to talk about the products and how they're progressing steve?
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no numpad, its not in the way, just keep it.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On August 12 2009 23:45 Daewon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2009 16:32 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:fiiiiiinally this is announced this project is pretty much why i was hired the design basis for the products is 100% based on what is ideal for competitive StarCraft players its fucking exciting and i'm very happy its been announced so i can stop answering 'what do you do at razer' with 'well i cant really tell you' Oh that's pretty cool. I don't really care about the mouse as there are plenty of solid mice for gaming. What is really missing is a solid keyboard designed for RTS. My take would include the following: 1) No Numpad. 2) A proper Ctrl and Shift layout, perhaps an ambidextrous layout if possible. 3) Instead of having 1-0 in one row, I would have 1-5 in one row and above 6-0 and on top of those the F keys. 4) All keys customizable, including Ctrl and Shift keys if possible. 5) Keys that are indented and pops out fast after being pressed. Oh man pls make such a keyboard Steve, I beg you!!!! It's actually pretty smart of Razor to do this, if they get the keyboard right it will become a must for the competitive SC2 scene, which will be HUGE. Are you allowed to talk about the products and how they're progressing steve?
ok, couple questions here for ya
what do you find wrong with the ctrl/shift layout on standard keyboards?
what do you mean by all customizable? remappable, or fully programmable? if its the latter, what effect on competitive sc2 do you think that would have (because i see a million possible negatives lol)?
i can't talk about the products and how they're progressing, but through me you have a guaranteed channel for your voice to be heard as far as what YOUR ideal setup would look like. Besides whatever mass-market appeal features end up in this product line (rest assured they'll be cool as fuck, but i'm talking about things not imperative to competitive gaming) these products are being designed to be IDEAL for competitive RTS play, taking lessons from the StarCraft & STarCraft 2 model of gameplay, which is a hectic pace and very little forgiveness in terms of errors in accuracy.
that goes for everyone, so by all means discuss it all you'd like. there's no such thing as feedback I wouldn't find valuable, my only concern is creating products that are truly catered to this niche of gamers
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That's it, I can lurk no longer. I seriously need to sign up for the FakeSteve Fan Club asap!
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Make a keyboard that supports more than 3-4 simultaneous keypresses and you will have a market with people playing fighting games. Most modern keyboards have abandoned support for many simultaneous keypresses and are technically inferior to their older counterparts, which is a shame. If you can come up with a keyboard like that for less than $100 you will beat the nearest competition.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On August 13 2009 01:08 vrok wrote:
That's it, I can lurk no longer. I seriously need to sign up for the FakeSteve Fan Club asap!
i haven't updated that in a while, so i just added everyone that had a message in my inbox asking to join hahahahah
since you registered just to join my amazing fan club you get to have your name as the 'newest member' (for all intents and purposes you certainly are!!!!!!!!!)
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On August 13 2009 01:14 whyohwhy wrote:
Make a keyboard that supports more than 3-4 simultaneous keypresses and you will have a market with people playing fighting games. Most modern keyboards have abandoned support for many simultaneous keypresses and are technically inferior to their older counterparts, which is a shame. If you can come up with a keyboard like that for less than $100 you will beat the nearest competition.
anti-ghosting is the feature you're requesting here and its pretty standard for razer keyboards like we're gonna release products with archaic technical defects
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Can you change the key sensitivity on razer keyboards? If not, that would be something I would personally love
I have been looking to upgrade my keyboard and mouse in the next year or so, so this razer/blizzard thing is absolutely wonderful for me!
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So are you guys going to have delays with these products? this being and adverse effect by partnering with blizzard?
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On August 13 2009 01:24 KCrazy wrote:Can you change the key sensitivity on razer keyboards? If not, that would be something I would personally love I have been looking to upgrade my keyboard and mouse in the next year or so, so this razer/blizzard thing is absolutely wonderful for me!
key sensitivity in what way?
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Well I type with a very soft touch and I sometimes don't fully press in keys which messes with my macro in game. I think it would be an interesting feature to be able to adjust the resistance of the keys being pressed to be more suited to how an individual types. The more i think about it the more it seems mechanically implausible though haha.
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On August 12 2009 08:57 GTR wrote:
razer please produce a keyboard quiver (like the ones progamers have)
:D
Qsenn Samsung =p
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On August 13 2009 01:42 KCrazy wrote:
Well I type with a very soft touch and I sometimes don't fully press in keys which messes with my macro in game. I think it would be an interesting feature to be able to adjust the resistance of the keys being pressed to be more suited to how an individual types. The more i think about it the more it seems mechanically implausible though haha.
This is so true for mice aswell. I've a deathadder diamondback and copperhead. They all went to the garbage (almost) because of how fucking sensitive they are compared to the logitech ones.
Right now they're all near my mousepad waiting to take logitech's place once it dies (like never ?).
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I really like the idea with the further number keys being above or below the others, as people with small hands won't be at a disadvantage, although it might be hard to get used to, and design. and while the windows key is easy enough to disable on your computer, it would be nice if there was an option to do so on your keyboard incase you bring it to another computer, or something similar.
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Ok well you asked for it Steve so here goes :-P
I guess my perfect SC2 keyboard would actually look something like the Logitech G13 Advanced Gameboard. Only problem is it doesn't have enough keys, one more row would be nice. I know you can change between key layouts, but I don't want my control groups to be the same keys as say the F keys. That and the stupid little joystick, if that was a big fat ctrl key instead then I might buy it.
What I really dislike about the average basic keyboard is the placement of the shift and ctrl keys (which I'm sure everyone uses A LOT!). If you use the left hand side of the keyboard, hitting the ctrl key and say group 3 at the same time is very difficult for me. I basically have to twist and curl my pinky finger, I actually end up hitting the key with the surface of my pinky nail. I have no idea how NADA does it.
I could choose to use the thumb instead, but that would mean my hand would be hovering over the edge of the keyboard, which is not exactly efficient as there are no keys in that area.
The other possibility is using the right hand side of the keyboard, but here the shift key is placed very poorly. It's not a good thing to use the thumb for both shift and ctrl as it slows down either subtracting or adding units to a group.
I guess this is the result of taking an average keyboard and pretend that it was designed with SC in mind. I truly hope you guys will think outside the box and make a keyboard which is optimized for SC2, rather than limiting yourself to an existing layout (just checked out the keyboards done by Razor so far.. yikes! all use the default layout as base). I don't get the "Let's add shit load of keys and then we have a gamer keyboard" theory. The goal has to be to not have the hand move at all, basically have all keys available in your "hand area" in order to speed up keystrokes. In that sense Logitech got it right.
Below is my version of an SC2 keyboard optimized for right side usage (also minimizes annoyances with the keyboard hitting mousepad, which can occur for some).
Place your thumb over the ctrl key and your index over the shift key (the one next to Tab). This layout feels completely natural to me. Only time you have to move your hand from the main area is when hitting or designating F-keys. Maybe there's a better way to do those.
The placement of A is self explanatory. Tab is for cycling through subgroups (different units types within one group), a feature that was included in War3 and most likely also in SC2. Space is placed for convenient thumb use. All the blank keys are for hotkeys.
Now if all the keys (especially keys such as shift, ctrl and groups) were remappable then the default layout wouldn't be too important.
Just curious but what kind of problems do you see in keys being programmable? Not that I'm a big fan of it, but I can't see why it would be a problem.
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On August 12 2009 08:57 GTR wrote:
razer please produce a keyboard quiver (like the ones progamers have)
:D
Oh my god its called a quiver? That's sooo cool!
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On August 13 2009 03:48 Daewon wrote:
Just curious but what kind of problems do you see in keys being programmable? Not that I'm a big fan of it, but I can't see why it would be a problem.
thanks for the huge post with your thoughts
"programmable" keys in industry lingo means keys that can handle macro functions. that means a player could bind a key to hit Z 12 times with one keystroke. that's the simplest problem of maaaaaaaany
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Yeah ok I see, can alter the game quite a bit. In any case they're banned from competitive play I think. I just hope remapping your keyboard won't be outlawed for SC2.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
yeah, having a feature on a piece of gear that's banned while playing the game doesn't make much sense (cough cough steelseries wow mouse ROFL)
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I don't like how both Razer and SteelSeries are putting "Wings of Liberty" on the stuff, why not just the StarCraft 2 logo? I don't want to buy new stuff for Heart of the Swarm and Legacy of the Void, or have the current stuff say Wings of Liberty for all eternity.
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This is not delaying the beta (As the devs do not do any of this) so its fine. I hope they dont make their other sc2 products extremely expensive just because it has sc2 on it...
Otherwise I am glad sc2 has some e-sports partners. Razer rocks anyway
NaDa groups them fast by using the bone right under neath the pinky finger. Tasteless mentioned this in Season 1 or 2 of GOM.
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On August 13 2009 05:33 Sharp-eYe wrote:This is not delaying the beta (As the devs do not do any of this) so its fine. I hope they dont make their other sc2 products extremely expensive just because it has sc2 on it... Otherwise I am glad sc2 has some e-sports partners. Razer rocks anyway NaDa groups them fast by using the bone right under neath the pinky finger. Tasteless mentioned this in Season 1 or 2 of GOM.
Ah man so that's how!!! haha thank you so much, I've been wondering for a long time lol.. well he must be having a keyboard with tall keys then. One thing that still escapes me, is how he adds units to an existing group using Shift. Assuming Shift is located over his Ctrl, I mean he would have to move his hand which I dont think he does. Anyways hopefully Razor will make a keyboard where Ctrl and Shift are both remappable. Imagine having Ctrl at "V" and Shift at "R"... oh my god... my game would speed up so much.
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On August 12 2009 08:57 GTR wrote:
razer please produce a keyboard quiver (like the ones progamers have)
:D
why would you need this?
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51444 Posts
$45 is pretty ridiculous, I reckon they should sell for around $20, $30 max.
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All razer/logitech/whatever uberkeyboard/ have 1 major flaw. They all make keyboards which only look nice and have nice quality plastic and everything but they don't have 1 thing: Mechanical switches.
Personally I don't really care if I have LCD display on my keyboard, or if I have 16 macro keys etc. What I care about is how I FEEL when I press some key. So I'll buy Razer product when they stop producing some flat membrane type keyboards and put brown/black cherry switches inside.
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so something like the steelseries keyboard except not ridiculously overpriced?
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Well, keyboards with mechanical switches usually cost like Razer or Logitech >G11 keyboards.
Personally I'm big fan of flat razer keyboards but only for typing text. For gaming I dislike them because I like better feel when I press some key.
If someone wants to buy some good, expensive keyboard I would really recommend to check out other keyboards and not just logitech/razer.
There are some other models that use mechanical switches:
Unicomp keyboards - these keyboards have buckling springs, that is taken from IBM model M which is probably most famous keyboard and arguably best keyboard for typing.
Filco Majestouch - These keyboards use blue, brown or black cherry switches. For gaming it is considered that black>brown>blue. But it is not that simple because black are linear while brown/blue are tactile switches, so someone should try it before buying.
iRocks KR-6230 - uses brown switches, quite good and not that expensive
ABS M1 - uses black alps copies which are nice switches, although most people prefer cherry switches. This keyboard could be "best buy" because it is least expensive and still quite nice
Deck Keyboards - also cherry switches, but kinda overpriced
iOne Scorpius M10 - cheap keyboard with blue cherry switches, only problem is that blue switches are too light
Steelseries 7G - black cherry switches but too much money
das keyboard - blue switches, nice keyboard, but expensive
I don't know what kind of keyboard will this new razer be, but seriously guys, don't just look "ooo it's so beautiful with macro keys, media keys, etc", go to store and try some keyboards and try KEYS, and not just the looks.
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A very good keyboard with a nice feel (only downside may be it's noise maybe) is a ridiculously cheap Dell Keyboard. You can have it everywhere for like what ? 10$ max.
Edit : oh and they do support multiple buttons presses.
RT7D00 model which is the same i've been using for 8 years.
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I think one of the most important things in a keyboard is for its button to press even if you hit them at a considerable angle - i often hit keys off-center or somewhat from a lateral angle (if that makes any sense) and i don't want the key to present any additional resistance or even worse, not register a hit when that happens. I also feel it's very important to feel some feedback when a hit is registered, but that shouldn't mean a key that's hard to press or too loud or something like that. Just clear tactile feedback.
About the layout... i see no reason people would support the absence of a keypad and / or arrows, just because it'll be starcraft optimized doesn't mean i won't use it for anything else...
edit: my silly idea
the razer key would be basically a button you can assign any key to, but not a macro... basically a duplicate key of your choice. It would be awesome for protoss to have P close by :D
And maybe stuff like that won't be very relevant in SC2 if we can reassign keys, but i'm pretty sure plenty of people will want to play Brood War too with it, and something like this would prolly help... Then again, maybe such a different keyboard would be a bit too extreme to be "legal" in competitive play.
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Hey Steve, you gotta hook us up with some of those cool messenger bags.
They look fantastic!
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I have this one. Usully korean pro this one too.
It's too confrotable and really nice.
Razer needs to make a one like that.
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On August 13 2009 17:24 bLah. wrote:
All razer/logitech/whatever uberkeyboard/ have 1 major flaw. They all make keyboards which only look nice and have nice quality plastic and everything but they don't have 1 thing: Mechanical switches.
Personally I don't really care if I have LCD display on my keyboard, or if I have 16 macro keys etc. What I care about is how I FEEL when I press some key. So I'll buy Razer product when they stop producing some flat membrane type keyboards and put brown/black cherry switches inside.
This indeed, only reason I'm not buying any Steelseries/Razer Keyboards.
PS: I had a Steelseries 7G Keyboard (FUCKING EXPENSIVE) and it SUCKED, goddamn that keyboard fucking hate it.
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i use a IBM-keyboard from 1992(repaintet), replaceable "key-covers" and best of all, no winkey
i cant imgaine using another keyboard
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please fake Steve if you read this PLEASE bring up taking OFF CAPS LOCK AND THE WINDOWS KEY. also the numpad would be awesome as well. maybe even make the keyboard more affordable for people like me who don't exactly want to spend $100 dollars on a keyboard. basically what im saying is breed razer technology with the ibm m keyboard and maybe mix in a little bit of the compactness of the happy hacker keyboard and you will have an epic win. as well as a kick ass keyboard that most of us in the sc community would love to get our grubs on.
for refrence.... happy hacking keyboard to those that don't know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Hacking_Keyboard
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On August 13 2009 04:52 ReS wrote:I don't like how both Razer and SteelSeries are putting "Wings of Liberty" on the stuff, why not just the StarCraft 2 logo? I don't want to buy new stuff for Heart of the Swarm and Legacy of the Void, or have the current stuff say Wings of Liberty for all eternity.
lol how appropriate, Perceived Obsolescence :
(about 2/3 - 3/4 in the video she talks about this kind of thing)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99760
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On August 13 2009 00:56 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2009 23:45 Daewon wrote:On August 12 2009 16:32 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:fiiiiiinally this is announced this project is pretty much why i was hired the design basis for the products is 100% based on what is ideal for competitive StarCraft players its fucking exciting and i'm very happy its been announced so i can stop answering 'what do you do at razer' with 'well i cant really tell you' Oh that's pretty cool. I don't really care about the mouse as there are plenty of solid mice for gaming. What is really missing is a solid keyboard designed for RTS. My take would include the following: 1) No Numpad. 2) A proper Ctrl and Shift layout, perhaps an ambidextrous layout if possible. 3) Instead of having 1-0 in one row, I would have 1-5 in one row and above 6-0 and on top of those the F keys. 4) All keys customizable, including Ctrl and Shift keys if possible. 5) Keys that are indented and pops out fast after being pressed. Oh man pls make such a keyboard Steve, I beg you!!!! It's actually pretty smart of Razor to do this, if they get the keyboard right it will become a must for the competitive SC2 scene, which will be HUGE. Are you allowed to talk about the products and how they're progressing steve? ok, couple questions here for ya what do you find wrong with the ctrl/shift layout on standard keyboards? what do you mean by all customizable? remappable, or fully programmable? if its the latter, what effect on competitive sc2 do you think that would have (because i see a million possible negatives lol)? i can't talk about the products and how they're progressing, but through me you have a guaranteed channel for your voice to be heard as far as what YOUR ideal setup would look like. Besides whatever mass-market appeal features end up in this product line (rest assured they'll be cool as fuck, but i'm talking about things not imperative to competitive gaming) these products are being designed to be IDEAL for competitive RTS play, taking lessons from the StarCraft & STarCraft 2 model of gameplay, which is a hectic pace and very little forgiveness in terms of errors in accuracy. that goes for everyone, so by all means discuss it all you'd like. there's no such thing as feedback I wouldn't find valuable, my only concern is creating products that are truly catered to this niche of gamers
Numpad is used in WC3/TFT for items.
PS- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99666
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some of us don't play wc3 so i think its still viable to take off the numpad.
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On August 13 2009 17:24 bLah. wrote:
All razer/logitech/whatever uberkeyboard/ have 1 major flaw. They all make keyboards which only look nice and have nice quality plastic and everything but they don't have 1 thing: Mechanical switches.
Personally I don't really care if I have LCD display on my keyboard, or if I have 16 macro keys etc. What I care about is how I FEEL when I press some key. So I'll buy Razer product when they stop producing some flat membrane type keyboards and put brown/black cherry switches inside.
I agree with this. I don't know much about hardware designing but seeing the prices of other similar products, i think you can make a mechanical gaming keyboard for not so much money.
No one will care if your keyboard has oleds behind each key if you are going to use it for gaming mostly, you don't even look at the keyboard and the backlight might be annoying when playing in the dark (which im sure many of us did/do at some point :p).
Once you get the very basics done, the rest is just details and you can work it out in following versions.
Things that might be interesting to consider in the keyboard:
1. Key press feel / quality. Keys should have enough quality to endure hitting them over and over and not being stuck. Mostly membrane keyboards fail at that.
2. Keys location. Random things: the space bar should work by being hit from both sides, some keyboards have a loosey space bar that hangs from the middle and gives a cheap look to the keyboard.
The left windows key would be removed / turned off by some special button? I think it being removed is good enought as you are still left with the right one. But in case people are too used to some hotkey shortcuts from windows (Windows key + R / D / etc) you could have a button to turn it on/off, just like with the numpad.
If the windows key is gone, the shift and alt keys should be a little bigger imo.
I like the number keys as they are, i don't agree on the idea of putting some over the others, it diverts too much from a regular keyboard and you will be fucked if you have to play in another setup :p
Volume/mute key is a must. A headphone 3.5mm jack is optional and might help some people.
The numpad should stay as lots of people use their keyboard to play other games besides RTS, even if they buy a sc2 keyboard :p Same thing with the directional arrows part of the kleyboard, i would leave them untouched.
Hope it helps.
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On August 14 2009 04:37 Najera44 wrote:please fake Steve if you read this PLEASE bring up taking OFF CAPS LOCK AND THE WINDOWS KEY. also the numpad would be awesome as well. maybe even make the keyboard more affordable for people like me who don't exactly want to spend $100 dollars on a keyboard. basically what im saying is breed razer technology with the ibm m keyboard and maybe mix in a little bit of the compactness of the happy hacker keyboard and you will have an epic win. as well as a kick ass keyboard that most of us in the sc community would love to get our grubs on. for refrence.... happy hacking keyboard to those that don't know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Hacking_Keyboard
whats wrong with a disable feature?
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omfg... my worst fear came through when reading that newspaper article:
[Quote] "One possibility is that if the player's base comes under attack by another player, a light would shine from the mouse or the keyboard as an alert signal." [End Quote]
How completely pathetic is that? You know many progamers/competitive gamers who likes to stare at their equipment while playing? The whole point is to focus on the screen only, so as to not miss anyhing. Besides I already get an ingame voice warning, I don't need/want my mouse to start flashing.
This is basically just mainstream equipment, lots of gimmicks, lights, possibly LED screen, and a standard keyboard layout - nothing to do with competitive gaming. I wonder if there will be just ONE feature that will actually be worth it for competitive gamer, or if they'll all be completely redundant.
Guess I'm gonna have to buy the G13 Logitech Advanced Gameboard, despite the lack of keys... arghhh
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On August 15 2009 05:06 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 04:37 Najera44 wrote:please fake Steve if you read this PLEASE bring up taking OFF CAPS LOCK AND THE WINDOWS KEY. also the numpad would be awesome as well. maybe even make the keyboard more affordable for people like me who don't exactly want to spend $100 dollars on a keyboard. basically what im saying is breed razer technology with the ibm m keyboard and maybe mix in a little bit of the compactness of the happy hacker keyboard and you will have an epic win. as well as a kick ass keyboard that most of us in the sc community would love to get our grubs on. for refrence.... happy hacking keyboard to those that don't know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Hacking_Keyboard whats wrong with a disable feature?
i would rather it just be gone.
because that one less key.
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Razer gear was already pretty expensive. Razer gear + starcraft skins will just be crazy ass prices -_-
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2009 04:43 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2009 17:24 bLah. wrote:
All razer/logitech/whatever uberkeyboard/ have 1 major flaw. They all make keyboards which only look nice and have nice quality plastic and everything but they don't have 1 thing: Mechanical switches.
Personally I don't really care if I have LCD display on my keyboard, or if I have 16 macro keys etc. What I care about is how I FEEL when I press some key. So I'll buy Razer product when they stop producing some flat membrane type keyboards and put brown/black cherry switches inside.
I agree with this. I don't know much about hardware designing but seeing the prices of other similar products, i think you can make a mechanical gaming keyboard for not so much money. No one will care if your keyboard has oleds behind each key if you are going to use it for gaming mostly, you don't even look at the keyboard and the backlight might be annoying when playing in the dark (which im sure many of us did/do at some point :p). Once you get the very basics done, the rest is just details and you can work it out in following versions. Things that might be interesting to consider in the keyboard: 1. Key press feel / quality. Keys should have enough quality to endure hitting them over and over and not being stuck. Mostly membrane keyboards fail at that. 2. Keys location. Random things: the space bar should work by being hit from both sides, some keyboards have a loosey space bar that hangs from the middle and gives a cheap look to the keyboard. The left windows key would be removed / turned off by some special button? I think it being removed is good enought as you are still left with the right one. But in case people are too used to some hotkey shortcuts from windows (Windows key + R / D / etc) you could have a button to turn it on/off, just like with the numpad. If the windows key is gone, the shift and alt keys should be a little bigger imo. I like the number keys as they are, i don't agree on the idea of putting some over the others, it diverts too much from a regular keyboard and you will be fucked if you have to play in another setup :p Volume/mute key is a must. A headphone 3.5mm jack is optional and might help some people. The numpad should stay as lots of people use their keyboard to play other games besides RTS, even if they buy a sc2 keyboard :p Same thing with the directional arrows part of the kleyboard, i would leave them untouched. Hope it helps.
I agree with everything in this post!
I can see why a lot of people would want the number pad removed for various reasons, but I can also see why it needs to be available as well. I think a well designed detachable number pad would be a fair compromise?
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hurah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My ideas on a keyboard.
- I want a keyboard that performs well in-game and outside of the game. I use my Windows key, caps lock key, numpad, etc. when I'm not playing. These keys should stay(maybe caps lock could be moved to a better place as well as only needing one Windows key on the right side), but if there was something built into the hardware to disable the keys that would cause a problem in-game that would be best. Good at the basic function of a keyboard -- typing.
- If it is like a home edition type of gaming keyboard I like to have the media keys. It is good to be able to listen to music, adjust volume, switch songs, etc. without having to minimize the game. For a tournament edition one or whatever I suppose these are not needed, except for maybe volume/mute only.
- USB port on the side, headphone/mic on the front of the keyboard (on the Tarantula it appears as if these are located on the back of the keyboard making you have to run your cord around or underneath it for your headphones).
- Wider ctrl, alt keys (the Lycosa and Arctosa seem to have really tiny ones).
- Keep it simple, no lights and battle dock needs. No Lycosa "mirro" shiny keys needed. No macro keys.
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On August 15 2009 06:09 wesleyq wrote:
Razer gear was already pretty expensive. Razer gear + starcraft skins will just be crazy ass prices -_-
There is certainly a market for it though, the big bux for them is to get something every WoW user 'needs'.
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Man, I want a sc themed lachesis 
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I would think gaming companies making keyboards would learn something from the DT35. People don't necessarily want expensive hardware with lasers that shoot into their eyes at random intervals to remind them that they spent $130 on something with the same design mechanics as a $10 keyboard.
it seems like an entire industry built not on listening to what customers want, but telling them what they want. The hypocrisy of it being that every single gaming peripheral company purports to be "by the gamers, for the gamers", one of the most tired slogans in the world.
Here's a design principle I would love to see a gaming company adhere to: make a keyboard that feels like I'm using something different than a $10 piece of shit I can buy off newegg
Basically these things are toys, they are not performance enhancing gear like a more reliable mouse or mousepad can be, and that's why I'll never buy a "gaming" keyboard
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I don't know about you but having 6-0 right above 1-5 (and maybe move the relevant F keys to a more optimal position if they end up too high), as was suggested, would sure as hell improve my performance. I'd even prefer that placement in FPSes too as it brings more keys closer to the wasd section.
I don't really care about other stuff like USB connectors, audio connectors, removing/disabling the win key or even macro buttons as they don't really impact gaming for me at all, except maybe convenient media keys and backlighting as I like to play in the dark. Obviously you should be able to turn off the backlighting though.
Optimizing key placement is the single biggest factor IMO, after proper anti-ghosting of course.
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How about you remove the left windows key and make the CTRL key as big as a shift key, also european keyboards have a small left shift key please only sell this keyboard with a standard usa international layout because all small shift keyboards piss me off.
When i bought my g15 i got it with a small left shift so i called logitech if it was possible to get a large left shift key but they said it was impossible too they only sell people in europe the small left key shitty layouts.
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Hi Steve,
I wouldn't normally bother but you said that feedback will help you so I'm gonna give you my opinions JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE AWESOME.
Ok, first of all I have at least 4 keyboards in the past 5-6 years, the most notable of which are the Logitech G15 and the Razer Lycosa. Here is what I like/dislike about them:
Razer Lycosa: I LOVE the gummy SLIM keys, that material is awesome, and because the keys are slim you get fast response and no "sensitivity" issues as the ones that someone was complaining about earlier.
The shiny-glossy-finish is kind-of a pain to keep clean, I don't know who likes that but oh well. I like that when the keys are unlit you can barely read the imprint. I'd like a keyboard that would be completely unreadable when the keys are off.
The touchpad for the media keys is cool but annoying because it doesn't always respond as it should. Normal keys are way better for a gamer, even if it's just changing the winamp song while in game.
The one thing that I truly dislike though is the lack of any programmable keys. I need at least 6-8 keys for windows shortcuts or game-bindings (like in Dota, who uses numpad, really, the G15 is awesome for this). Also the software on the lycosa won't allow me to bind win+key to run a program, so I need something extra like hot keyboard for my program shortcuts. It's rather annoying in the long-run.
Logitech G15:
It's huge. Too big. Way too big.
The keys are not slim, and it doesn't have anti-ghosting or w/e you call that multiple key press issue.
I do like the amount of extra keys though. I have all 18 of them programmed in windows for various programs, and they are also awesome in photoshop and other games like Dota. Believe it or not, I didn't find much use for them in starcraft. I programmed one for 1a2a3a4a5a (with clicks) and some for building macros but really, it's more annoying than it is helpful. These kind of advantages are NOT what will make you better, and I doubt adding 8 programmable keys to a SCII keyboard will cause rifts of rage, but you know better.
I also like the screen, but I only use it for media purposes. I change songs and shuffle playlists from the scroll wheel (also an amazing idea, this wheel).
So, my IDEAL keyboard would look like this:
- All black, gummy slim keys, the rest of the keyboard being covered in the gummy material that the handstand of the lycosa is made off.
- A bunch of keys on the left of the keyboard (like 2 columns, 5 rows?), programmable for windows run programs or bindable in games (rebinding is fine, i assume).
- A small display with a media panel underneath that can be easily accessed in game.
- A switch that disables win key and numpad key.
- I wouldn't mind if the keys were rearranged (like 6-0 row on top of 1-5) but you could just rebind F1->F5 to 6-0 in a starcraft2.exe profile and place the F keys right above the 1->0, so you shoot two birds with one machine gun.
Extra (weird) stuff:
- Detachable numpad (this is kind-of weird but I guess it would be cool in games. But no need to make the numpad usable while detached like Logitech keyboards do).
- Individual lit keys. This may be horrible to implement but think of the eye-candy. If you can make the hotkeys of something light up when that something is selected. Like... say... you pick up a Vulture and you get A/S/H/P/I lit up, and then when you select a Barracks you get M/F/C/G/L or something like that. It would probably not be too useful, but think of the eyecandy! Noobs and beginners will love that. Plus it helps with hitting the right key i guess
- Lasers and smoke-machine and bubble-maker. Erm... ok too much. I'll stop now.
I may have expressed myself weirdly in some parts. Please let me know if I need to clarify anything. And good luck.
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yeh i'd love to see a DT35, but 'razerised' be produced. i'd definitely buy it.
basically a no-frills, top-notch mechanical keyboard.
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On August 16 2009 14:09 GTR wrote:
yeh i'd love to see a DT35, but 'razerised' be produced. i'd definitely buy it.
basically a no-frills, top-notch mechanical keyboard.
+1
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I can't understand how someone wants slim gummy keys for gaming keyboard :/ it's quite good for typing but for gaming... :/
If someone wants to make gaming keyboard then these are requirements:
1. Solid keys, mechanical switches would be best because rubber dome can't give you quality feeling when you press key, it is too clumsy. You have to feel keys when you press them but that pressing should not be hard and keys should be up asap. That can only be achieved with mechanical switches (like cherry brown/black). Maybe Razer have some new mechanism, but if it is like in other Razer keyboards, then it's not good for gaming. When you type on Razer keyboards your finger just hits key and break it down which is not good. keys need to travel before "click" and free fall.
Keys must be well made, so that wherever you press them they go down, and not on some side.
2. Extra keys, which are best to be placed on 2 places: 1. on the left side like on G11/G15, and 1 extra row above F keys.
Also detachable number pad. Many people don't understand this, but it is important for some people because it depends on your table, mouse pad, hands, some people want keyboard to be centered well, and you can't do that if you have number pad.
3. Drivers which can be used to remap all keys. For example, I would like to remap Tilde (~) to Control etc.
All other things are completely irrelevant. I don't need any light which will distract me when someone atacks my base. I also don't need some glossy design and multimedia keys. I don't want fashion keyboard. I want gaming keyboard. Only addition which can be nice is backlight , nothig else.
Most important thing are keys and their quality and feeling, and I believe that this is only thing which will Razer f*** up if they continue with their fancy glossy flat keyboards.
As for mouse, maybe more precision on Razer Salmosa and that's it. Most important thing is that mouse is light but that its weight is well balanced. It has to be small to fit hand nice. We don't need some flashy razer sign on it and extremely high price.
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all y'all talkin' about slim, low-profile keys: i'm a starcraft player of course i agree with you. you think I play starcraft at the office on a Razer Lycosa? NOPE
hahahah
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On August 18 2009 03:34 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
all y'all talkin' about slim, low-profile keys: i'm a starcraft player of course i agree with you. you think I play starcraft at the office on a Razer Lycosa? NOPE
hahahah
you don't? gesh way to support your employer :-)
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On August 18 2009 03:34 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
all y'all talkin' about slim, low-profile keys: i'm a starcraft player of course i agree with you. you think I play starcraft at the office on a Razer Lycosa? NOPE
hahahah
Hey you said any kind of input is good input. I don't see why slim keys are bad. I don't miss commands with them, and it's easier for both typing and fast responses but whatever.
Just make sure it has programmable keys. And gummyness.
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On August 13 2009 18:16 bLah. wrote:
Well, keyboards with mechanical switches usually cost like Razer or Logitech >G11 keyboards.
Personally I'm big fan of flat razer keyboards but only for typing text. For gaming I dislike them because I like better feel when I press some key.
If someone wants to buy some good, expensive keyboard I would really recommend to check out other keyboards and not just logitech/razer.
There are some other models that use mechanical switches:
Unicomp keyboards - these keyboards have buckling springs, that is taken from IBM model M which is probably most famous keyboard and arguably best keyboard for typing.
Filco Majestouch - These keyboards use blue, brown or black cherry switches. For gaming it is considered that black>brown>blue. But it is not that simple because black are linear while brown/blue are tactile switches, so someone should try it before buying.
iRocks KR-6230 - uses brown switches, quite good and not that expensive
ABS M1 - uses black alps copies which are nice switches, although most people prefer cherry switches. This keyboard could be "best buy" because it is least expensive and still quite nice
Deck Keyboards - also cherry switches, but kinda overpriced
iOne Scorpius M10 - cheap keyboard with blue cherry switches, only problem is that blue switches are too light
Steelseries 7G - black cherry switches but too much money
das keyboard - blue switches, nice keyboard, but expensive
I don't know what kind of keyboard will this new razer be, but seriously guys, don't just look "ooo it's so beautiful with macro keys, media keys, etc", go to store and try some keyboards and try KEYS, and not just the looks.
Now there's a guy that knows his keyboards! Spend any time on GeekHack.org?
I'm a fan of black alps or brown cherry for gaming. Supposedly, if you put the spring from a black cherry switch into a brown cherry switch, it gives an amazing tactile response.
But yeah, I won't buy a Razer keyboard unless it has mechanical switches. I'm happy with my ABS M1 or Filco for now, though.
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really wish they'd make less tacky stuff for fans.
it's like, "oh you like Starcraft 2? Here's a t-shirt with a CG screenshot pasted on it!! w0000t"
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On August 13 2009 01:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2009 01:14 whyohwhy wrote:
Make a keyboard that supports more than 3-4 simultaneous keypresses and you will have a market with people playing fighting games. Most modern keyboards have abandoned support for many simultaneous keypresses and are technically inferior to their older counterparts, which is a shame. If you can come up with a keyboard like that for less than $100 you will beat the nearest competition. anti-ghosting is the feature you're requesting here and its pretty standard for razer keyboards like we're gonna release products with archaic technical defects
Really for rts all you really need is a fast response keyboard mainly in how fast the keys return back up and can be hit again basically a typist keyboard.
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