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Sweden33723 Posts
Eh, seeing as how he was one of the best swedish SC players *waaaay* back, and was one of the best WC3 players in the world (also "way" back), I don't see why that'd be unrealistic. As long as he's got the drive I imagine he could do it.
On March 12 2009 18:20 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2009 14:15 CalvinStorm wrote:big warcraft 3 sites? try http://war3.replays.net/there's some starcraft stuff on it as well. edit: this site is in chinese. Most of the big war3 sites are in chinese, you have to understand how big war3 is in china. And there is EVEN bigger Starcraft sites in Korea. Yoi have to understand how big SC is in South Korea. And still we got these big sites for the english community. Hmm?
Chinese ones are probably bigger.. China just has soooooooo many people.
I think 8da is one of the big sites there? I might be confusing it with something else but I don't think so.
Oh and the swedish player at dreamhack was probably Knoff? LilDC wasn't sure if he'd continue playing, since he'd never played SC before.. IIRC.
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If SC 2 doesn't replace WC3 then the Warcraft e-sport scene will probably go the way the Starcraft e-sport scene is today; big in one country and dead pretty much everywhere else.
Regarding pros switching over or not they will go where the money is simple as that. Being top 10 in Warcraft 3 might be more profitable than being top 100 in SC 2 if you have the option to choose.
Btw it was just announced that Moon signed a 3 year contract with WeMade.FOX for 473 037 USD making Moon the second highest paid e-sport player in Korea.
Question is if WeMade.FOX is planning to use him in Warcraft 3 for the full 3 years or if they are counting on Moon switching over to SC 2 when the times come and that he will preform well there.
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I'd assume the latter since WC3 will be pretty much dead in three years time.
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How come everyone is so convinced that the WC3 scene will die as soon as SC2 is released? They are two significantly different RTS games and, unlike SC, WC3 has no prospect for a successor to replace it anytime soon. Plus, WC3 and SC have been quite capable of living side-by-side for many years now. While it is true that SC2 will most likely be significantly bigger then SC was, that does not necessarily mean that the WC3 scene will die beacuse of it.
Also, if it was their intention to prepare for SC2, that seems like a lot of money to invest into a player who was never a StarCraft progamer and would thus be in a less favourable condition upon SC2`s launch. To add to that point, here is an important part of an MYM article which covers this news:
+ Show Spoiler +Futhermore the manager said that Moon will not be playing Starcraft, nor will they be preparing him for Starcraft 2, since it was never their intention.
SOURCE: MYM
When considering both those points, it is not unreasonable to assume that WeMadeFOX did, infact, aquire Moon for participation in the WC3 scene.
The StarCraft scene was able to exist in spite of WC3`s existance. Considering that, does it really seem that impossible for the WC3 scene to exist in spite of SC2`s existance?
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On March 13 2009 03:22 Tom Phoenix wrote:How come everyone is so convinced that the WC3 scene will die as soon as SC2 is released? They are two significantly different RTS games and, unlike SC, WC3 has no prospect for a successor to replace it anytime soon. Plus, WC3 and SC have been quite capable of living side-by-side for many years now. While it is true that SC2 will most likely be significantly bigger then SC was, that does not necessarily mean that the WC3 scene will die beacuse of it. Also, if it was their intention to prepare for SC2, that seems like a lot of money to invest into a player who was never a StarCraft progamer and would thus be in a less favourable condition upon SC2`s launch. To add to that point, here is an important part of an MYM article which covers this news: + Show Spoiler +Futhermore the manager said that Moon will not be playing Starcraft, nor will they be preparing him for Starcraft 2, since it was never their intention. SOURCE: MYMWhen considering both those points, it is not unreasonable to assume that WeMadeFOX did, infact, aquire Moon for participation in the WC3 scene. The StarCraft scene was able to exist in spite of WC3`s existance. Considering that, does it really seem that impossible for the WC3 scene to exist in spite of SC2`s existance?
I like this argument. Well, I like that someone actually has an argument to support their opinion.
Things to consider:
--e-Sports might be taking a hit in general due to the state of the global economy and that hit might diminish the possibility for co-existence
--While WC3 progamers will still have incentive to play WC3, most of them will have a greater incentive to play SC2. The potential up-and-coming players would pick SC2. The biggest percentage of the WC3 playerbase, the newbs, is going to get hit hard by SC2. They play a role in maintaining the e-Sport.
--SC2 isn't really replacing SC:BW. SC:BW as an e-Sport doesn't exist in the way SC2 will or WC3 does. SC2 won't pick up all the sponsorship that SC:BW had and more, while leaving WC3 alone. SC2 is going to generate its own sponsorship, taking practically nothing from SC:BW, and probably a chunk of it is going to come from what is currently supporting WC3. Who knows how big that chunk will be.
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Good thing imo, I trust war3 players way more to test my game than fucking wow 89 IQ fuckhead inbred retarded white obese losers who dress up as fucking night elves and have sex with each other in the bathroom at blizzcon and get a fucking beta key out of it. This is a huge step forward. Some sort of official ladder for sc to give out keys would be nice, but frankly I think the war3 guys will do a good job.
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On March 13 2009 03:58 Drowsy wrote:
dress up as fucking night elves and have sex with each other in the bathroom at blizzcon
I've been to the last two Blizzcons, and I think I've been missing out!
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Edit: Moved this to another thread that better fit the topic.
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On March 12 2009 21:21 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2009 16:26 rushz0rz wrote:On March 12 2009 11:01 Zoler wrote:On March 12 2009 09:51 ixion wrote:On March 12 2009 09:29 Zoler wrote:On March 12 2009 08:54 G-Dy wrote:On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Every wc3 "pro" will start playing SC2 since wc3 will die the same moment as SC2 is released. You can argue against this all day long but this is what will happen. Well, WarCraft 3 is already a game for WCG09 while SC2 is not, so it obviously won't be that instantly... Actually, WarCraft 3 already seems not to be that interesting for european tournaments as it was two or three years ago, but on the same time i still see new tournaments rising up from china which seems to keep this game alive. And China is therefore very crucial, I think if the chinese "heroes" (Sky, TeD, infi, ...) decides NOT to play StarCraft 2, it might even take quite a time till WC3 dies. But Europe (ESL and stuff) will switch quite fast I think, and hopefully the USA get tired of their console games by then, too :p Edit: Oh I forgot something. Someone said here, that every WC3-Pro said he will switch to SC what is not quite accurate. Everyone (in WC3 and in SC1) says basically the same thing: They will play SC2, but haven't made a clear desicion and therefor waiting what impact this game will have and if it's any good... On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Funny how WC3 is so big but still it's not single website dedicated to it that's not a multi-gaming site. Or is it? Not really. There are some pages, like inwarcraft.de (german) but none has the same size as teamliquid (wc-replays isn't as big, too ... don't know who brought this up o.O). But on the same time you have to admit, that teamliquid is quite special in this case, since I cannot think of any page which has such a large community for a single game. On the same time there is also no real need for it, since from the "coverage"-point there are lot of eSport-news-sites which covers everything you might need (but a active community :p). It might "live" for small time in China, but if SC2 will be that great as we all hope it will die in China as well in a matter of months. Rotterdam (some wc3 player) was interviewed after he played SC2 and he said it was more fun than wc3 and harder to play and he wanted to switch. It's the only interview with a wc3 player I've seen so it's 100% for me haha. Teamliquid is special? No, Starcraft is special. hahaha rotterdam hahaha  Now I understand ur feelings for wc3. Rotterdam is such a big newbie.. A swedish apparenly good wc3 player also got interviewed at Dreamhack and he also liked sc2. MaDFroG? I remember on his fan site (the owner became friends with him) he made an announcement that he will try to become a pro gamer at SC2. Yeah, lol at that. He couldn't even pull off a successful comeback in WC3 and expects to become a "progamer" (probably just WC3 sense) in a much more competitive environment. Good luck with that.
He was really good at SC before WC3. I don't think he was putting his 100% effort into his comeback. I think he could be great at SC2.
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On March 12 2009 07:57 inReacH wrote:
WCR the same size as teamliquid?
Active : 858
Logged in : 336
VS
Currently Active Users: 209 (74 members and 135 guests)
And that's like 2 days after BNET reset which means the activity is much higher than usual.. I've seen like less than 20 logged in members before.
Can we just ban ixion now instead of waiting a few more weeks for him to push the envelope a little further.. this kids posts are all garbage and he's a douche.
Even though it doesn't really matter, WCR used to be larger than Team Liquid. I think just since last year TL has been larger and WCR has been on rapid decline. Because WCR uses a terrible implemented vbulletin design, it's only showing people logged into or viewing the forum, ignoring the people viewing the rest of the site that aren't logged in.
Good thing imo, I trust war3 players way more to test my game than fucking wow 89 IQ fuckhead inbred retarded white obese losers who dress up as fucking night elves and have sex with each other in the bathroom at blizzcon and get a fucking beta key out of it. This is a huge step forward. Some sort of official ladder for sc to give out keys would be nice, but frankly I think the war3 guys will do a good job.
lol
Too bad a good portion of the winners are going to be hackers ;/
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On March 13 2009 10:53 PokePill wrote:Show nested quote +Good thing imo, I trust war3 players way more to test my game than fucking wow 89 IQ fuckhead inbred retarded white obese losers who dress up as fucking night elves and have sex with each other in the bathroom at blizzcon and get a fucking beta key out of it. This is a huge step forward. Some sort of official ladder for sc to give out keys would be nice, but frankly I think the war3 guys will do a good job. lol Too bad a good portion of the winners are going to be hackers ;/
Why? You can't win the wc3 ladder with hacks :/
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On March 13 2009 12:57 Klockan3 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 10:53 PokePill wrote:Good thing imo, I trust war3 players way more to test my game than fucking wow 89 IQ fuckhead inbred retarded white obese losers who dress up as fucking night elves and have sex with each other in the bathroom at blizzcon and get a fucking beta key out of it. This is a huge step forward. Some sort of official ladder for sc to give out keys would be nice, but frankly I think the war3 guys will do a good job. lol Too bad a good portion of the winners are going to be hackers ;/ Why? You can't win the wc3 ladder with hacks :/
you must not play much wc3
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Well its kinda cheap still that the first one who will receive beta key is W3 player, imo its just because they dont want to give away key to sc player, oviously only iccup player would win those and for them it would be like approving iccup and approving iccup = loss of money for them or credibility.
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Dominican Republic463 Posts
Agreed nony but newbs dont play a "role" in e-sports. Without them it just wouldn't exist because no one would watch the games, so I guess that was just an understatement.
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On March 13 2009 03:53 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 03:22 Tom Phoenix wrote:How come everyone is so convinced that the WC3 scene will die as soon as SC2 is released? They are two significantly different RTS games and, unlike SC, WC3 has no prospect for a successor to replace it anytime soon. Plus, WC3 and SC have been quite capable of living side-by-side for many years now. While it is true that SC2 will most likely be significantly bigger then SC was, that does not necessarily mean that the WC3 scene will die beacuse of it. Also, if it was their intention to prepare for SC2, that seems like a lot of money to invest into a player who was never a StarCraft progamer and would thus be in a less favourable condition upon SC2`s launch. To add to that point, here is an important part of an MYM article which covers this news: + Show Spoiler +Futhermore the manager said that Moon will not be playing Starcraft, nor will they be preparing him for Starcraft 2, since it was never their intention. SOURCE: MYMWhen considering both those points, it is not unreasonable to assume that WeMadeFOX did, infact, aquire Moon for participation in the WC3 scene. The StarCraft scene was able to exist in spite of WC3`s existance. Considering that, does it really seem that impossible for the WC3 scene to exist in spite of SC2`s existance? I like this argument. Well, I like that someone actually has an argument to support their opinion. Things to consider: --e-Sports might be taking a hit in general due to the state of the global economy and that hit might diminish the possibility for co-existence
A crisis usually has an opposite effect on the entertainment industry, since the need for escapism increases during periods of turmoil in society. An example of this is the so-called "Golden Age of Cinema", which occured beacuse people began flocking into cinemas during the Great Depression. While that does not mean that the eSports industry will not be affected by the recession, the negative impacts will (for the most part) be outweighted by increased popularity. Plus, it is worth to note that back in 2001 (year of WC3`s release), Asia was in a similar position since many countries were still recovering from the financial crisis of the late 90`s.
--While WC3 progamers will still have incentive to play WC3, most of them will have a greater incentive to play SC2. The potential up-and-coming players would pick SC2. The biggest percentage of the WC3 playerbase, the newbs, is going to get hit hard by SC2. They play a role in maintaining the e-Sport.
That is true. However, it is worth to note that not all of them will like StarCraft 2`s gameplay and might perfer WarCraft 3`s greater micro orientation. In addition, the majority of the existing WarCraft 3 crowd is unlikely to be drawn to StarCraft 2. Since they did not like StarCraft`s gameplay, it is unlikely they would like StarCraft 2`s gameplay as it is and will be (intentionally) quite similar to that of it`s precessor.
--SC2 isn't really replacing SC:BW. SC:BW as an e-Sport doesn't exist in the way SC2 will or WC3 does. SC2 won't pick up all the sponsorship that SC:BW had and more, while leaving WC3 alone. SC2 is going to generate its own sponsorship, taking practically nothing from SC:BW, and probably a chunk of it is going to come from what is currently supporting WC3. Who knows how big that chunk will be.
Em...no offence, but this has to be one of the most bewildering statements I have ever read. StarCraft II will take nothing from the direct precessor it is trying to mimic, but will take a chunk from a different kind of RTS? If anything, it will be the opposite since StarCraft II is being purpose-built to be similar to the original. Blizzard has stated that many times since the original announcement. For example, here is a part of the interview with Frank Pearce and Bob Colayco:
+ Show Spoiler +VideoGamer.com: Some people say that StarCraft 2 is too similar to the first game. What do you say to those people?
Frank Pearce: Well the first thing I would wonder is whether any of them actually had a chance to play the build. We definitely were deliberate about honouring the legacy of StarCraft. It's a concious decision on our part to make sure the experience reminds the player of the original experience, so I guess in some ways that's good, that that's what they're saying, because that's partially what we've tried to achieve.
SOURCE: VideoGamer.com
This is not to say that SC2 will not affect the WC3 scene, but it will still have a greater effect on a game that comes from the same franchise and that has similar gameplay rather then any other game.
As far as the SC2 scene is concerned, I personally believe it will be a hybrid between how the SC scene works and how the WC3 scene works. It will be popular internationally, but particularly so in Korea. So while the importance of the international scene will increase, Korea will still likely be the mecca of StarCraft II.
In any case, there is a reason why the game was announced in Seoul of all places. There is a reason why this happened after a StarCraft tournament that included some of the best players in the world. There is a reason why, when talking about StarCraft II, the words "competitive", "e-Sports" and "spectator" are among the first to be mentioned. And that reason is that StarCraft II intends to use the current Brood War scene as a basis from which it will continue the StarCraft legacy. Whether one likes the thought of that or not is left to the perception of each individual. But one thing is certain. If successful, it holds great promise for the future of StarCraft and e-Sports as a whole.
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pro ladder starts april 3. anyone else in the usa one?
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