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Sweden33719 Posts
Interesting quote from the FAQ:
How long will the invitational ladder tournament run?
The invitational ladder is scheduled to run for three weeks. There will then be one offline regional qualifier event for each region, which will all feed into the global finals.
It's a shame that something like this would be hard to do for SC, simply because it'd almost have to involve the acknowledgement of ICCUP, not to mention it would literally be 100% koreans 
Oh well, there'll be keys a plenty soon enough I'm sure.
Don't make stupid posts about how unfair this is and how WC3 sucks. If by some miracle they end up giving all their keys to WC3 players in the end, feel free, but I'm willing to bet a lot of money that won't happen.
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To be clear, Blizzard is taking the participants of last year's invitational ladder (which is basically a qualification to the "grand finals" for the year) and removing the bottom 100 players, adding the top 100 players from each current ladder (USEast, Europe, Asia). The top 20 players from each ladder, so 60 players, will apparently get a SC2 beta key.
edit: changed the tense so it's accurate 
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lol Blizzard makes the most of their past games until its last seconds
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I see my goal, i will train nonstop in warcraft3 to win those beta keys O_O;!
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Sweden33719 Posts
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On March 08 2009 01:24 SoleSteeler wrote:
It would have been nice to have a bit of warning on this. It'd be fairly easy to get into the top 100 on the Azeroth ladder right now. I could have done it!
To be clear, Blizzard took the participants of last year's invitational ladder (which is basically a qualification to the "grand finals" for the year) and removed the bottom 100 players, adding the top 100 players from each current ladder (USEast, Europe, Asia). The top 20 players from each ladder, so 60 players, will apparently get a SC2 beta key.
The new ladder season hasn't started yet.. it will in the next couple weeks I think.
It was supposed to reset on the 2nd of March.. but it hasn't..
After it starts, you have to make invitational ladder.. which is fairly easy if you are decent, and then you have to top20 the invitational ladder, which is VERY hard.
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On March 08 2009 01:32 inReacH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 01:24 SoleSteeler wrote:
It would have been nice to have a bit of warning on this. It'd be fairly easy to get into the top 100 on the Azeroth ladder right now. I could have done it!
To be clear, Blizzard took the participants of last year's invitational ladder (which is basically a qualification to the "grand finals" for the year) and removed the bottom 100 players, adding the top 100 players from each current ladder (USEast, Europe, Asia). The top 20 players from each ladder, so 60 players, will apparently get a SC2 beta key. The new ladder season hasn't started yet.. it will in the next couple weeks I think. It was supposed to reset on the 2nd of March.. but it hasn't.. After it starts, you have to make invitational ladder.. which is fairly easy if you are decent, and then you have to top20 the invitational ladder, which is VERY hard.
Oh you're correct. I saw this here and I thought that those were new games. I guess it makes sense because those are a lot of games
Durrrr
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On March 08 2009 01:16 FrozenArbiter wrote:It's a shame that something like this would be hard to do for SC, simply because it'd almost have to involve the acknowledgement of ICCUP, not to mention it would literally be 100% koreans Oh well, there'll be keys a plenty soon enough I'm sure.
Surely they could use the TSL ranks couldnt they? As far as recruiting korean players, they would be aiming at striking up deals with proteams rather than jumping on Iccup I think.
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damn.. if my internet worked, id do that.. I was top 10 on solo ladder for east and top 50 on europe back in the days when people actually played it/didnt just hack ladder.. it wouldnt be too hard..
but fuckin 8 people to one router kills my connection / no gaming =/
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Getting to the top of the invitational ladder is VERY hard if any of the old players decide to try their luck, and I'd bet many of them will purely for the beta key.
Actually getting to the invitational ladder isn't really that hard, and getting top 20 on it comparatively isn't too difficult either, but if this season is anything like previous seasons (and due to the heavy decline of the scene as of late it very well may not be), then there will be several players massing games like it's their job. That's what makes it so difficult, most people don't have the time, and if they do they usually aren't that good. Those that have the time and are good make the ladder a living hell for the players who really want to qualify.
As I said though, relatively speaking top 20 isn't TOO hard, but it will still be no easy task by any means. I'd personally love to give this thing a shot myself, but it's been too long since I've seriously played the game and I have way too many classes and other obligations to try and out-mass a lot of the younger kids out there. Not too mention it just gets so stressful at times, even if you're a really good player you'll get matched up against the best players quite a lot and just get crushed. Not a very enjoyable experience for someone who's only in it for the beta key.
EDIT: Just to clarify some, these invitational ladders are nothing like the normal ladders most players here may or may not be familiar with, for a lot of reasons such as a VAST skill difference. All those guys who play really hard and prefer to custom game over the terrible ladders? Yeah, they pop out and show you just how little your rank means. Being rank 1 on all 4 servers could mean you're at the bottom of the invitational ladder (that's a bit of an exaggeration as this has never actually happened, but it's entirely plausible). As well as that, the ladder takes place on a fixed, short time-period meaning people will be massing hard. It's not something you can just casually do like on the normal ladders. If you don't play hard every day, you're behind, and usually not by a little bit. There's really no comparison at all if this season is anything like the previous ones. However, I wish anyone who tries the best of luck 
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Haha wish I was good at WC3 so I could have a chance to get on a SC2 beta key...
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Time to pull out WC3 again.
Not like i'm any good or anything....
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On March 08 2009 03:59 Orlandu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Getting to the top of the invitational ladder is VERY hard if any of the old players decide to try their luck, and I'd bet many of them will purely for the beta key. Actually getting to the invitational ladder isn't really that hard, and getting top 20 on it comparatively isn't too difficult either, but if this season is anything like previous seasons (and due to the heavy decline of the scene as of late it very well may not be), then there will be several players massing games like it's their job. That's what makes it so difficult, most people don't have the time, and if they do they usually aren't that good. Those that have the time and are good make the ladder a living hell for the players who really want to qualify. As I said though, relatively speaking top 20 isn't TOO hard, but it will still be no easy task by any means. I'd personally love to give this thing a shot myself, but it's been too long since I've seriously played the game and I have way too many classes and other obligations to try and out-mass a lot of the younger kids out there. Not too mention it just gets so stressful at times, even if you're a really good player you'll get matched up against the best players quite a lot and just get crushed. Not a very enjoyable experience for someone who's only in it for the beta key. EDIT: Just to clarify some, these invitational ladders are nothing like the normal ladders most players here may or may not be familiar with, for a lot of reasons such as a VAST skill difference. All those guys who play really hard and prefer to custom game over the terrible ladders? Yeah, they pop out and show you just how little your rank means. Being rank 1 on all 4 servers could mean you're at the bottom of the invitational ladder (that's a bit of an exaggeration as this has never actually happened, but it's entirely plausible). As well as that, the ladder takes place on a fixed, short time-period meaning people will be massing hard. It's not something you can just casually do like on the normal ladders. If you don't play hard every day, you're behind, and usually not by a little bit. There's really no comparison at all if this season is anything like the previous ones. However, I wish anyone who tries the best of luck
Oh yeah, I'm aware of how hard (virtually impossible) it would be to get into the top 20. Unless the ladders now have a lot more activity, it shouldn't take much more than time to get into the top 100 I would think. But how much time, is a good question. It'd probably take me like 250 games or something, because I doubt I could manage over a 55ish% win percentage, which would take a number of games to hit level 32-33
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Yeah, top 100 should be easy
It's the invitational ladder where all things really start to get tough.
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Not like it will happen but _if_ some kind of worldwide bw tournament was run where the top 100 got sc2 beta keys people like mondragon and jf would have a better chance getting a key playing this ladder instead >< (still an extremly small chance obv)
I'm not sure if that's funny or sad.
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The top 50 in each of the Lordaeron and Azeroth realms will comprise the 100 ranked ladder players from the Americas.
The top two players from the Americas and the top three players each from Europe and Asia will be invited to the global finals. This will result in a total of eight players for the global finals.
Haha, Blizzard knows where the good guys are :p It is well knows that Europe and Asia got harder ladders than the American ones.
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finally a wc3 post!
I think it's wierd that only progamers will be able to win SC2 keys since 80% of the wc3 pros will continue with wc3 and not switch
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On March 08 2009 08:10 ixion wrote:
finally a wc3 post!
I think it's wierd that only progamers will be able to win SC2 keys since 80% of the wc3 pros will continue with wc3 and not switch
A lot of WC3 pros have been asked if they are going to switch to SC2. I don't know of any that said they will continue to play WC3.
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im level 21 in solo, so yeah give me a weeka nd i'll get to top 50 in no time guys, npnp
then i'll share the key and become a hero
nvm, i just remembered why i didn't like playing warcraft 3
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This proves it, Blizzard doesn't give a crap about the SC community. Where are OUR beta keys? We're the ones fucking looking forward to the game the most and have the most knowledge about how it works.
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On March 08 2009 08:37 Chuiu wrote:
This proves it, Blizzard doesn't give a crap about the SC community. Where are OUR beta keys? We're the ones fucking looking forward to the game the most and have the most knowledge about how it works.
We've obviously been replaced by the hypothetical amusement park community.
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On March 08 2009 08:15 SearingShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 08:10 ixion wrote:
finally a wc3 post!
I think it's wierd that only progamers will be able to win SC2 keys since 80% of the wc3 pros will continue with wc3 and not switch A lot of WC3 pros have been asked if they are going to switch to SC2. I don't know of any that said they will continue to play WC3. No, most of the players said they will keep playing wc3 and some of those who was going to switch changed their mind later. I think moon will start playing SC2 because of the high salary he will be getting but he said that he prefers wc3 over SC2
IMO no game can be as much fun as wc3 is
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On March 08 2009 08:37 Chuiu wrote:
This proves it, Blizzard doesn't give a crap about the SC community. Where are OUR beta keys? We're the ones fucking looking forward to the game the most and have the most knowledge about how it works.
It's not that. FA said it: it'd be exponentially harder to do for SC. WC3 top finishers getting it isn't so bad at all.
Anyway, to be truthful, the idea that there is more news with a vague timeline is really exciting to me, even if I can't possibly get it.
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This thread has all sorts of flame bait.
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Hungary11261 Posts
Toying with the thought of going hardcore wc3 the next weeks. I mean, top 20 in invitational ladder will be about impossible, but the thought of getting a shot
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On March 08 2009 10:09 ixion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 08:15 SearingShadow wrote:On March 08 2009 08:10 ixion wrote:
finally a wc3 post!
I think it's wierd that only progamers will be able to win SC2 keys since 80% of the wc3 pros will continue with wc3 and not switch A lot of WC3 pros have been asked if they are going to switch to SC2. I don't know of any that said they will continue to play WC3. No, most of the players said they will keep playing wc3 and some of those who was going to switch changed their mind later. I think moon will start playing SC2 because of the high salary he will be getting but he said that he prefers wc3 over SC2 IMO no game can be as much fun as wc3 is
You, obviously, have not played StarCraft as it's meant to be played.
;P.
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hey guys, ex wc3 pro here. ill be sure to win up all ur cd keez.
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good news for a friend of mine, now he'll have a beta key
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yup, looks like i'm getting all ur keys as well
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Sweden33719 Posts
On March 08 2009 10:42 Scooter wrote:
This thread has all sorts of flame bait.
I was considering giving the thread an even more inflamatory title but I decided against it (partly because I couldn't think of a good one)
On March 08 2009 10:09 ixion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 08:15 SearingShadow wrote:On March 08 2009 08:10 ixion wrote:
finally a wc3 post!
I think it's wierd that only progamers will be able to win SC2 keys since 80% of the wc3 pros will continue with wc3 and not switch A lot of WC3 pros have been asked if they are going to switch to SC2. I don't know of any that said they will continue to play WC3. No, most of the players said they will keep playing wc3 and some of those who was going to switch changed their mind later. I think moon will start playing SC2 because of the high salary he will be getting but he said that he prefers wc3 over SC2 IMO no game can be as much fun as wc3 is
Lol sources on that? From what I've seen it's pretty evenly split between "I'll continue playing WC3/retire" and "I'll play SC2".
On March 08 2009 08:37 Chuiu wrote:
This proves it, Blizzard doesn't give a crap about the SC community. Where are OUR beta keys? We're the ones fucking looking forward to the game the most and have the most knowledge about how it works.
There will be keys.
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On March 08 2009 19:08 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 10:42 Scooter wrote:
This thread has all sorts of flame bait. I was considering giving the thread an even more inflamatory title but I decided against it (partly because I couldn't think of a good one) Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 10:09 ixion wrote:On March 08 2009 08:15 SearingShadow wrote:On March 08 2009 08:10 ixion wrote:
finally a wc3 post!
I think it's wierd that only progamers will be able to win SC2 keys since 80% of the wc3 pros will continue with wc3 and not switch A lot of WC3 pros have been asked if they are going to switch to SC2. I don't know of any that said they will continue to play WC3. No, most of the players said they will keep playing wc3 and some of those who was going to switch changed their mind later. I think moon will start playing SC2 because of the high salary he will be getting but he said that he prefers wc3 over SC2 IMO no game can be as much fun as wc3 is Lol sources on that? From what I've seen it's pretty evenly split between "I'll continue playing WC3/retire" and "I'll play SC2". Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 08:37 Chuiu wrote:
This proves it, Blizzard doesn't give a crap about the SC community. Where are OUR beta keys? We're the ones fucking looking forward to the game the most and have the most knowledge about how it works. There will be keys.
No real progamer will continue on WC3 unless its synonymous with retiring as the WC3 scene will be totally unexistant as soon as SC2 hits the shelves, if not before that.
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Ya, it's already on a serious decline since like a year. I mean, lots of teams releasing their line-ups, leagues changing their formats (WC3L, NGL-One)...
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I'm glad that all the good WC3 players will be in SC2 beta. We'll be able to make it clear right from the start that they're not nearly as good at RTS
About BW players getting keys, I'm sure Blizzard will get keys to the top BW players, even with our lack of official Blizzard tournaments. Their community people are community people and know who is who. If not, they know who to ask for a consult. But if you've accomplished nothing and were hoping to have the grand premiere of your BW skill in a SC2 beta key tournament, then unfortunately you might be out of luck.
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lol im so happy i got a beta key from blizzcon
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Damn, if only they would consider giving me a key for being a top player in ROC, haha.
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Seems to me, they're trying to portion out the beta keys.
Most likely, they will hand out beta keys to the hardcore SC community last, so that every one will be on the same playing field, and not just dominated by one group. Also gives them an opportunity to test the balance at steadily increasing levels of play.
Anyway, hopefully I won't end up eating my words
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Their probably handing it out to WC3 so not only Koreans take the SC2 beta's because there's no chance any foreigners can win 1 unless they hand them out for top players of each country.
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On March 08 2009 03:59 Orlandu wrote:
I'd personally love to give this thing a shot myself, but it's been too long since I've seriously played the game and I have way too many classes and other obligations to try and out-mass a lot of the younger kids out there.
In this part you've exactly described my feelings.
On a side note: It's only solo and not 2v2 AT ladder for example? I remember that getting into top10 in 2v2 ladder was a matter of one weekend if you were good (I mean good enough to get 25-0 streaks and such).
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On March 09 2009 02:37 Liquid`NonY wrote:I'm glad that all the good WC3 players will be in SC2 beta. We'll be able to make it clear right from the start that they're not nearly as good at RTS
Hahaha...I love you NonY.
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On March 09 2009 08:03 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 03:59 Orlandu wrote:
I'd personally love to give this thing a shot myself, but it's been too long since I've seriously played the game and I have way too many classes and other obligations to try and out-mass a lot of the younger kids out there. In this part you've exactly described my feelings. On a side note: It's only solo and not 2v2 AT ladder for example? I remember that getting into top10 in 2v2 ladder was a matter of one weekend if you were good (I mean good enough to get 25-0 streaks and such).
Blizzard stopped the 2v2 AT competition after season 2 or 3. For season 1 it took 130 games for my team to qualify.
To get top 100 1v1 for this season it took me 240 games with a 63% overall winning percentage. I'd imagine it would take about 140 games if you could win 80% of them, but that is pro-level.
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For those who are interested, the ladder is resetting right now. Gl to everyone fighting!
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So how's everyone doing right now? Do u guys want to post ur names and wins?
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I'm actually considering not playing ladder because I'm so used to VCK latency...
I can't stand this.. and I was rank 1 for most of last season /cry
2-0..
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On March 08 2009 19:31 Puosu wrote:
No real progamer will continue on WC3 unless its synonymous with retiring as the WC3 scene will be totally unexistant as soon as SC2 hits the shelves, if not before that.
As long as there is big money for wc3, I see no reason to quit until someone can earn 10 times more in sc2. If you're obviously good at something and earning money from it, keep doing it.
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On March 10 2009 18:23 [X]Ken_D wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2009 19:31 Puosu wrote:
No real progamer will continue on WC3 unless its synonymous with retiring as the WC3 scene will be totally unexistant as soon as SC2 hits the shelves, if not before that. As long as there is big money for wc3, I see no reason to quit until someone can earn 10 times more in sc2. If you're obviously good at something and earning money from it, keep doing it.
I doubt there will be any major tournaments or multigaming organizations interested in WC3 after the release of SC2, maybe in the same way as foreign SC now but that hardly can be considered professional as the players earn close to nothing.
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On March 10 2009 18:30 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2009 18:23 [X]Ken_D wrote:On March 08 2009 19:31 Puosu wrote:
No real progamer will continue on WC3 unless its synonymous with retiring as the WC3 scene will be totally unexistant as soon as SC2 hits the shelves, if not before that. As long as there is big money for wc3, I see no reason to quit until someone can earn 10 times more in sc2. If you're obviously good at something and earning money from it, keep doing it. I doubt there will be any major tournaments or multigaming organizations interested in WC3 after the release of SC2, maybe in the same way as foreign SC now but that hardly can be considered professional as the players earn close to nothing.
SC2 is not the ultimate game and it will not replace anything except it's pre SC1. Even SC1 will live in korea for a long time still.
Wc3 is a completetly different game and wc3 is atm bigger then ever.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Ixion, I know you love WC3 but there's NO WAY WC3 is "bigger than ever". Still big? Yeah. SC2 will hurt international WC3 a lot, just like WC3 hurt international SC a lot.. Maybe WC3 will still remain big in China, like SC did in Korea, but globally? I doubt it..
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Wc3 is a completetly different game and wc3 is atm bigger then ever.
War3 is completely dead. Bigger than ever? lol? There's what, a few annual tournaments and the retarded Zotac cup? War3 died in 2005, and it's been lingering around ever since. SC2 will kill it, the only reason people play it because there is not a better modern RTS, and of course DOTA. There's usually less than 2000 games across all realms on Bnet, with an average of 80,000 users on War3. What are the other 78k players doing? DOTA..There will probably be less people on War3 than even SC:BW after SC2 is released.
The game is dead, I love War3 a lot but you are being borderline delusional my friend.
You are Starshaped right?
Anyways back on topic, I don't think any top 100 azeroth/lordaeron player is going to even be able to break the top 20 of the invitational ladder, it's going to be sick how many old pros are going to be playing, and unlike SC:BW being a modern player doesn't give you an edge in Warcraft III, the games are 10x softer and the metagame has marginally evolved.
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On March 11 2009 03:15 PokePill wrote:War3 is completely dead. Bigger than ever? lol? There's what, a few annual tournaments and the retarded Zotac cup? War3 died in 2005, and it's been lingering around ever since. SC2 will kill it, the only reason people play it because there is not a better modern RTS, and of course DOTA. There's usually less than 2000 games across all realms on Bnet, with an average of 80,000 users on War3. What are the other 78k players doing? DOTA..There will probably be less people on War3 than even SC:BW after SC2 is released. The game is dead, I love War3 a lot but you are being borderline delusional my friend. You are Starshaped right? Anyways back on topic, I don't think any top 100 azeroth/lordaeron player is going to even be able to break the top 20 of the invitational ladder, it's going to be sick how many old pros are going to be playing, and unlike SC:BW being a modern player doesn't give you an edge in Warcraft III, the games are 10x softer and the metagame has marginally evolved.
Heh it's kind of funny that you completely accurately corrected ixion and then incorrectly implied that all the realms are on the same invitation ladder. There will be 3 separate invitational ladders as there was last season.
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On March 11 2009 03:25 inReacH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2009 03:15 PokePill wrote:Wc3 is a completetly different game and wc3 is atm bigger then ever. War3 is completely dead. Bigger than ever? lol? There's what, a few annual tournaments and the retarded Zotac cup? War3 died in 2005, and it's been lingering around ever since. SC2 will kill it, the only reason people play it because there is not a better modern RTS, and of course DOTA. There's usually less than 2000 games across all realms on Bnet, with an average of 80,000 users on War3. What are the other 78k players doing? DOTA..There will probably be less people on War3 than even SC:BW after SC2 is released. The game is dead, I love War3 a lot but you are being borderline delusional my friend. You are Starshaped right? Anyways back on topic, I don't think any top 100 azeroth/lordaeron player is going to even be able to break the top 20 of the invitational ladder, it's going to be sick how many old pros are going to be playing, and unlike SC:BW being a modern player doesn't give you an edge in Warcraft III, the games are 10x softer and the metagame has marginally evolved. Heh it's kind of funny that you completely accurately corrected ixion and then incorrectly implied that all the realms are on the same invitation ladder. There will be 3 separate invitational ladders as there was last season.
I didn't imply there wasn't 3, if anything I was implying they would be playing on the US invitational. And when I say sick old pros, I'm referring to players that have played on east/west. Most of the "sick" old pros on Europe/Asia haven't gone anywhere... But I appreciate you trying to derail the thread for no reason on silly inferences.
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On March 11 2009 03:15 PokePill wrote:War3 is completely dead. Bigger than ever? lol? There's what, a few annual tournaments and the retarded Zotac cup? War3 died in 2005, and it's been lingering around ever since. SC2 will kill it, the only reason people play it because there is not a better modern RTS, and of course DOTA. There's usually less than 2000 games across all realms on Bnet, with an average of 80,000 users on War3. What are the other 78k players doing? DOTA..There will probably be less people on War3 than even SC:BW after SC2 is released. The game is dead, I love War3 a lot but you are being borderline delusional my friend. You are Starshaped right? Anyways back on topic, I don't think any top 100 azeroth/lordaeron player is going to even be able to break the top 20 of the invitational ladder, it's going to be sick how many old pros are going to be playing, and unlike SC:BW being a modern player doesn't give you an edge in Warcraft III, the games are 10x softer and the metagame has marginally evolved.
Who the hell visits WCR omg?
WCR is a dead site and Wc3 is a living game bigger then ever
Not a lot of tournaments? HAHA.. There is streams every single freaking day on 3 different websites and ur saying there is no tournaments? HAHA
This site sux, only starcraft geeks. I loved Starcraft before but when I got involved with the community I started to hate it.
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You are really delusional.
WC3L cutting the format, NGL cutting too. MYM releasing most players, same for most other teams. How many teams have disappeared from the WC3 scene during the last two years?
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Sweden33719 Posts
On March 11 2009 03:53 ixion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2009 03:15 PokePill wrote:Wc3 is a completetly different game and wc3 is atm bigger then ever. War3 is completely dead. Bigger than ever? lol? There's what, a few annual tournaments and the retarded Zotac cup? War3 died in 2005, and it's been lingering around ever since. SC2 will kill it, the only reason people play it because there is not a better modern RTS, and of course DOTA. There's usually less than 2000 games across all realms on Bnet, with an average of 80,000 users on War3. What are the other 78k players doing? DOTA..There will probably be less people on War3 than even SC:BW after SC2 is released. The game is dead, I love War3 a lot but you are being borderline delusional my friend. You are Starshaped right? Anyways back on topic, I don't think any top 100 azeroth/lordaeron player is going to even be able to break the top 20 of the invitational ladder, it's going to be sick how many old pros are going to be playing, and unlike SC:BW being a modern player doesn't give you an edge in Warcraft III, the games are 10x softer and the metagame has marginally evolved. Who the hell visits WCR omg? WCR is a dead site and Wc3 is a living game bigger then ever Not a lot of tournaments? HAHA.. There is streams every single freaking day on 3 different websites and ur saying there is no tournaments? HAHA This site sux, only starcraft geeks. I loved Starcraft before but when I got involved with the community I started to hate it.
If you can't take people disagreeing with you without spouting random flames then you are not welcome here.
Consider this your final warning.
Instead of repeating the line "WC3 is bigger than ever" how about offering some support? From where I'm sitting, it isn't...
MYM downsized their WC3 squad *dramatically*
Same with MTW
Same with Fnatic
Same with SK
WC3L downsized, NGL downsized. In fact, I've seen nothing that indicates the WC3 scene is stronger than ever..
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On March 11 2009 03:15 PokePill wrote:
Anyways back on topic, I don't think any top 100 azeroth/lordaeron player is going to even be able to break the top 20 of the invitational ladder, it's going to be sick how many old pros are going to be playing, and unlike SC:BW being a modern player doesn't give you an edge in Warcraft III, the games are 10x softer and the metagame has marginally evolved.
you dont have to beat the pros. you just have to be top 20 in the ladder.
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But who's most likely to be top 20 in the ladder sdould they be playing?
the pros.
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On March 11 2009 13:44 esla_sol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2009 03:15 PokePill wrote:
Anyways back on topic, I don't think any top 100 azeroth/lordaeron player is going to even be able to break the top 20 of the invitational ladder, it's going to be sick how many old pros are going to be playing, and unlike SC:BW being a modern player doesn't give you an edge in Warcraft III, the games are 10x softer and the metagame has marginally evolved. you dont have to beat the pros. you just have to be top 20 in the ladder.
Top 20 in the pro ladder though, that ladder got cash prizes etc. Nothing big compared to starcraft ones but still...
The thing is that none you can meet in those ladders are bad or even average so you can't climb by constantly beating low skilled players like you do in the normal ladder.
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On March 11 2009 03:53 ixion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2009 03:15 PokePill wrote:Wc3 is a completetly different game and wc3 is atm bigger then ever. War3 is completely dead. Bigger than ever? lol? There's what, a few annual tournaments and the retarded Zotac cup? War3 died in 2005, and it's been lingering around ever since. SC2 will kill it, the only reason people play it because there is not a better modern RTS, and of course DOTA. There's usually less than 2000 games across all realms on Bnet, with an average of 80,000 users on War3. What are the other 78k players doing? DOTA..There will probably be less people on War3 than even SC:BW after SC2 is released. The game is dead, I love War3 a lot but you are being borderline delusional my friend. You are Starshaped right? Anyways back on topic, I don't think any top 100 azeroth/lordaeron player is going to even be able to break the top 20 of the invitational ladder, it's going to be sick how many old pros are going to be playing, and unlike SC:BW being a modern player doesn't give you an edge in Warcraft III, the games are 10x softer and the metagame has marginally evolved. Who the hell visits WCR omg? WCR is a dead site and Wc3 is a living game bigger then ever Not a lot of tournaments? HAHA.. There is streams every single freaking day on 3 different websites and ur saying there is no tournaments? HAHA This site sux, only starcraft geeks. I loved Starcraft before but when I got involved with the community I started to hate it.
Just curious, what are the bigger sites you speak of then?
I always thought wcreplays was the biggest one. heh.
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On March 12 2009 05:02 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2009 03:53 ixion wrote:On March 11 2009 03:15 PokePill wrote:Wc3 is a completetly different game and wc3 is atm bigger then ever. War3 is completely dead. Bigger than ever? lol? There's what, a few annual tournaments and the retarded Zotac cup? War3 died in 2005, and it's been lingering around ever since. SC2 will kill it, the only reason people play it because there is not a better modern RTS, and of course DOTA. There's usually less than 2000 games across all realms on Bnet, with an average of 80,000 users on War3. What are the other 78k players doing? DOTA..There will probably be less people on War3 than even SC:BW after SC2 is released. The game is dead, I love War3 a lot but you are being borderline delusional my friend. You are Starshaped right? Anyways back on topic, I don't think any top 100 azeroth/lordaeron player is going to even be able to break the top 20 of the invitational ladder, it's going to be sick how many old pros are going to be playing, and unlike SC:BW being a modern player doesn't give you an edge in Warcraft III, the games are 10x softer and the metagame has marginally evolved. Who the hell visits WCR omg? WCR is a dead site and Wc3 is a living game bigger then ever Not a lot of tournaments? HAHA.. There is streams every single freaking day on 3 different websites and ur saying there is no tournaments? HAHA This site sux, only starcraft geeks. I loved Starcraft before but when I got involved with the community I started to hate it. Just curious, what are the bigger sites you speak of then? I always thought wcreplays was the biggest one. heh.
WCR is about the same size as teamliquid.
replays.net, gosugamers, replayers.net, mymym.com, sk-gaming are big wc3 sites
Some of them are multi-gaming sites but still..
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On March 08 2009 08:10 ixion wrote:
finally a wc3 post!
I think it's wierd that only progamers will be able to win SC2 keys since 80% of the wc3 pros will continue with wc3 and not switch
Every wc3 "pro" will start playing SC2 since wc3 will die the same moment as SC2 is released. You can argue against this all day long but this is what will happen.
On March 12 2009 07:33 ixion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2009 05:02 Puosu wrote:On March 11 2009 03:53 ixion wrote:On March 11 2009 03:15 PokePill wrote:Wc3 is a completetly different game and wc3 is atm bigger then ever. War3 is completely dead. Bigger than ever? lol? There's what, a few annual tournaments and the retarded Zotac cup? War3 died in 2005, and it's been lingering around ever since. SC2 will kill it, the only reason people play it because there is not a better modern RTS, and of course DOTA. There's usually less than 2000 games across all realms on Bnet, with an average of 80,000 users on War3. What are the other 78k players doing? DOTA..There will probably be less people on War3 than even SC:BW after SC2 is released. The game is dead, I love War3 a lot but you are being borderline delusional my friend. You are Starshaped right? Anyways back on topic, I don't think any top 100 azeroth/lordaeron player is going to even be able to break the top 20 of the invitational ladder, it's going to be sick how many old pros are going to be playing, and unlike SC:BW being a modern player doesn't give you an edge in Warcraft III, the games are 10x softer and the metagame has marginally evolved. Who the hell visits WCR omg? WCR is a dead site and Wc3 is a living game bigger then ever Not a lot of tournaments? HAHA.. There is streams every single freaking day on 3 different websites and ur saying there is no tournaments? HAHA This site sux, only starcraft geeks. I loved Starcraft before but when I got involved with the community I started to hate it. Just curious, what are the bigger sites you speak of then? I always thought wcreplays was the biggest one. heh. WCR is about the same size as teamliquid. replays.net, gosugamers, replayers.net, mymym.com, sk-gaming are big wc3 sites Some of them are multi-gaming sites but still..
Funny how WC3 is so big but still it's not single website dedicated to it that's not a multi-gaming site. Or is it?
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WCR the same size as teamliquid?
Active : 858
Logged in : 336
VS
Currently Active Users: 209 (74 members and 135 guests)
And that's like 2 days after BNET reset which means the activity is much higher than usual.. I've seen like less than 20 logged in members before.
Can we just ban ixion now instead of waiting a few more weeks for him to push the envelope a little further.. this kids posts are all garbage and he's a douche.
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On March 12 2009 07:57 inReacH wrote:
Can we just ban ixion now instead of waiting a few more weeks for him to push the envelope a little further.. this kids posts are all garbage and he's a douche.
I agree.
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MOD EDIT: Let's not go there.
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On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Every wc3 "pro" will start playing SC2 since wc3 will die the same moment as SC2 is released. You can argue against this all day long but this is what will happen.
Well, WarCraft 3 is already a game for WCG09 while SC2 is not, so it obviously won't be that instantly...
Actually, WarCraft 3 already seems not to be that interesting for european tournaments as it was two or three years ago, but on the same time i still see new tournaments rising up from china which seems to keep this game alive. And China is therefore very crucial, I think if the chinese "heroes" (Sky, TeD, infi, ...) decides NOT to play StarCraft 2, it might even take quite a time till WC3 dies.
But Europe (ESL and stuff) will switch quite fast I think, and hopefully the USA get tired of their console games by then, too :p
Edit: Oh I forgot something. Someone said here, that every WC3-Pro said he will switch to SC what is not quite accurate. Everyone (in WC3 and in SC1) says basically the same thing: They will play SC2, but haven't made a clear desicion and therefor waiting what impact this game will have and if it's any good...
On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Funny how WC3 is so big but still it's not single website dedicated to it that's not a multi-gaming site. Or is it?
Not really. There are some pages, like inwarcraft.de (german) but none has the same size as teamliquid (wc-replays isn't as big, too ... don't know who brought this up o.O). But on the same time you have to admit, that teamliquid is quite special in this case, since I cannot think of any page which has such a large community for a single game.
On the same time there is also no real need for it, since from the "coverage"-point there are lot of eSport-news-sites which covers everything you might need (but a active community :p).
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On March 12 2009 08:54 G-Dy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Every wc3 "pro" will start playing SC2 since wc3 will die the same moment as SC2 is released. You can argue against this all day long but this is what will happen. Well, WarCraft 3 is already a game for WCG09 while SC2 is not, so it obviously won't be that instantly... Actually, WarCraft 3 already seems not to be that interesting for european tournaments as it was two or three years ago, but on the same time i still see new tournaments rising up from china which seems to keep this game alive. And China is therefore very crucial, I think if the chinese "heroes" (Sky, TeD, infi, ...) decides NOT to play StarCraft 2, it might even take quite a time till WC3 dies. But Europe (ESL and stuff) will switch quite fast I think, and hopefully the USA get tired of their console games by then, too :p Edit: Oh I forgot something. Someone said here, that every WC3-Pro said he will switch to SC what is not quite accurate. Everyone (in WC3 and in SC1) says basically the same thing: They will play SC2, but haven't made a clear desicion and therefor waiting what impact this game will have and if it's any good... Show nested quote +On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Funny how WC3 is so big but still it's not single website dedicated to it that's not a multi-gaming site. Or is it? Not really. There are some pages, like inwarcraft.de (german) but none has the same size as teamliquid (wc-replays isn't as big, too ... don't know who brought this up o.O). But on the same time you have to admit, that teamliquid is quite special in this case, since I cannot think of any page which has such a large community for a single game. On the same time there is also no real need for it, since from the "coverage"-point there are lot of eSport-news-sites which covers everything you might need (but a active community :p).
It might "live" for small time in China, but if SC2 will be that great as we all hope it will die in China as well in a matter of months. Rotterdam (some wc3 player) was interviewed after he played SC2 and he said it was more fun than wc3 and harder to play and he wanted to switch. It's the only interview with a wc3 player I've seen so it's 100% for me haha.
Teamliquid is special? No, Starcraft is special.
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On March 12 2009 09:29 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2009 08:54 G-Dy wrote:On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Every wc3 "pro" will start playing SC2 since wc3 will die the same moment as SC2 is released. You can argue against this all day long but this is what will happen. Well, WarCraft 3 is already a game for WCG09 while SC2 is not, so it obviously won't be that instantly... Actually, WarCraft 3 already seems not to be that interesting for european tournaments as it was two or three years ago, but on the same time i still see new tournaments rising up from china which seems to keep this game alive. And China is therefore very crucial, I think if the chinese "heroes" (Sky, TeD, infi, ...) decides NOT to play StarCraft 2, it might even take quite a time till WC3 dies. But Europe (ESL and stuff) will switch quite fast I think, and hopefully the USA get tired of their console games by then, too :p Edit: Oh I forgot something. Someone said here, that every WC3-Pro said he will switch to SC what is not quite accurate. Everyone (in WC3 and in SC1) says basically the same thing: They will play SC2, but haven't made a clear desicion and therefor waiting what impact this game will have and if it's any good... On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Funny how WC3 is so big but still it's not single website dedicated to it that's not a multi-gaming site. Or is it? Not really. There are some pages, like inwarcraft.de (german) but none has the same size as teamliquid (wc-replays isn't as big, too ... don't know who brought this up o.O). But on the same time you have to admit, that teamliquid is quite special in this case, since I cannot think of any page which has such a large community for a single game. On the same time there is also no real need for it, since from the "coverage"-point there are lot of eSport-news-sites which covers everything you might need (but a active community :p). It might "live" for small time in China, but if SC2 will be that great as we all hope it will die in China as well in a matter of months. Rotterdam (some wc3 player) was interviewed after he played SC2 and he said it was more fun than wc3 and harder to play and he wanted to switch. It's the only interview with a wc3 player I've seen so it's 100% for me haha. Teamliquid is special? No, Starcraft is special. hahaha rotterdam hahaha
Now I understand ur feelings for wc3. Rotterdam is such a big newbie..
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On March 12 2009 09:51 ixion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2009 09:29 Zoler wrote:On March 12 2009 08:54 G-Dy wrote:On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Every wc3 "pro" will start playing SC2 since wc3 will die the same moment as SC2 is released. You can argue against this all day long but this is what will happen. Well, WarCraft 3 is already a game for WCG09 while SC2 is not, so it obviously won't be that instantly... Actually, WarCraft 3 already seems not to be that interesting for european tournaments as it was two or three years ago, but on the same time i still see new tournaments rising up from china which seems to keep this game alive. And China is therefore very crucial, I think if the chinese "heroes" (Sky, TeD, infi, ...) decides NOT to play StarCraft 2, it might even take quite a time till WC3 dies. But Europe (ESL and stuff) will switch quite fast I think, and hopefully the USA get tired of their console games by then, too :p Edit: Oh I forgot something. Someone said here, that every WC3-Pro said he will switch to SC what is not quite accurate. Everyone (in WC3 and in SC1) says basically the same thing: They will play SC2, but haven't made a clear desicion and therefor waiting what impact this game will have and if it's any good... On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Funny how WC3 is so big but still it's not single website dedicated to it that's not a multi-gaming site. Or is it? Not really. There are some pages, like inwarcraft.de (german) but none has the same size as teamliquid (wc-replays isn't as big, too ... don't know who brought this up o.O). But on the same time you have to admit, that teamliquid is quite special in this case, since I cannot think of any page which has such a large community for a single game. On the same time there is also no real need for it, since from the "coverage"-point there are lot of eSport-news-sites which covers everything you might need (but a active community :p). It might "live" for small time in China, but if SC2 will be that great as we all hope it will die in China as well in a matter of months. Rotterdam (some wc3 player) was interviewed after he played SC2 and he said it was more fun than wc3 and harder to play and he wanted to switch. It's the only interview with a wc3 player I've seen so it's 100% for me haha. Teamliquid is special? No, Starcraft is special. hahaha rotterdam hahaha Now I understand ur feelings for wc3. Rotterdam is such a big newbie..
Pleeeassse just diiee
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On March 12 2009 09:51 ixion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2009 09:29 Zoler wrote:On March 12 2009 08:54 G-Dy wrote:On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Every wc3 "pro" will start playing SC2 since wc3 will die the same moment as SC2 is released. You can argue against this all day long but this is what will happen. Well, WarCraft 3 is already a game for WCG09 while SC2 is not, so it obviously won't be that instantly... Actually, WarCraft 3 already seems not to be that interesting for european tournaments as it was two or three years ago, but on the same time i still see new tournaments rising up from china which seems to keep this game alive. And China is therefore very crucial, I think if the chinese "heroes" (Sky, TeD, infi, ...) decides NOT to play StarCraft 2, it might even take quite a time till WC3 dies. But Europe (ESL and stuff) will switch quite fast I think, and hopefully the USA get tired of their console games by then, too :p Edit: Oh I forgot something. Someone said here, that every WC3-Pro said he will switch to SC what is not quite accurate. Everyone (in WC3 and in SC1) says basically the same thing: They will play SC2, but haven't made a clear desicion and therefor waiting what impact this game will have and if it's any good... On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Funny how WC3 is so big but still it's not single website dedicated to it that's not a multi-gaming site. Or is it? Not really. There are some pages, like inwarcraft.de (german) but none has the same size as teamliquid (wc-replays isn't as big, too ... don't know who brought this up o.O). But on the same time you have to admit, that teamliquid is quite special in this case, since I cannot think of any page which has such a large community for a single game. On the same time there is also no real need for it, since from the "coverage"-point there are lot of eSport-news-sites which covers everything you might need (but a active community :p). It might "live" for small time in China, but if SC2 will be that great as we all hope it will die in China as well in a matter of months. Rotterdam (some wc3 player) was interviewed after he played SC2 and he said it was more fun than wc3 and harder to play and he wanted to switch. It's the only interview with a wc3 player I've seen so it's 100% for me haha. Teamliquid is special? No, Starcraft is special. hahaha rotterdam hahaha Now I understand ur feelings for wc3. Rotterdam is such a big newbie..
A swedish apparenly good wc3 player also got interviewed at Dreamhack and he also liked sc2.
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On March 12 2009 09:51 ixion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2009 09:29 Zoler wrote:On March 12 2009 08:54 G-Dy wrote:On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Every wc3 "pro" will start playing SC2 since wc3 will die the same moment as SC2 is released. You can argue against this all day long but this is what will happen. Well, WarCraft 3 is already a game for WCG09 while SC2 is not, so it obviously won't be that instantly... Actually, WarCraft 3 already seems not to be that interesting for european tournaments as it was two or three years ago, but on the same time i still see new tournaments rising up from china which seems to keep this game alive. And China is therefore very crucial, I think if the chinese "heroes" (Sky, TeD, infi, ...) decides NOT to play StarCraft 2, it might even take quite a time till WC3 dies. But Europe (ESL and stuff) will switch quite fast I think, and hopefully the USA get tired of their console games by then, too :p Edit: Oh I forgot something. Someone said here, that every WC3-Pro said he will switch to SC what is not quite accurate. Everyone (in WC3 and in SC1) says basically the same thing: They will play SC2, but haven't made a clear desicion and therefor waiting what impact this game will have and if it's any good... On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Funny how WC3 is so big but still it's not single website dedicated to it that's not a multi-gaming site. Or is it? Not really. There are some pages, like inwarcraft.de (german) but none has the same size as teamliquid (wc-replays isn't as big, too ... don't know who brought this up o.O). But on the same time you have to admit, that teamliquid is quite special in this case, since I cannot think of any page which has such a large community for a single game. On the same time there is also no real need for it, since from the "coverage"-point there are lot of eSport-news-sites which covers everything you might need (but a active community :p). It might "live" for small time in China, but if SC2 will be that great as we all hope it will die in China as well in a matter of months. Rotterdam (some wc3 player) was interviewed after he played SC2 and he said it was more fun than wc3 and harder to play and he wanted to switch. It's the only interview with a wc3 player I've seen so it's 100% for me haha. Teamliquid is special? No, Starcraft is special. hahaha rotterdam hahaha Now I understand ur feelings for wc3. Rotterdam is such a big newbie..
Alright now... You're clearly just trolling. Can someone just ban him, please?
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Sweden33719 Posts
Gave him a 30 day ban.. Probably should make it permanent but eh, that can always be fixed in the morning.
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On March 12 2009 11:37 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Gave him a 30 day ban.. Probably should make it permanent but eh, that can always be fixed in the morning.
Hahah upon reading this I was immediately reminded of the dancing/celebrating yams from the rejected cartoon by Don Hertzfeldt.
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I think its the same as any SC1 player on the "semi-pro" scene, they will try out SC2 before making the judgement to switch fulltime.. War3 players feel the same.
Rotterdam, while one of the top orcs in europe afew years ago, hasnt been doing great on the scene recently so of course he said he will switch, but that doesnt echo the statements of EVERY war3 pro out there. Thats like saying if one BW pro said he would switch to SC2, that by assumption you assume EVERY bw pro will instantly switch over also. Not quite the case.
I think the important part of this thread is that the people who get the beta keys in this ladder, will definately be deserving of them, and you will most likely see afew of the War3 semi-pros at the tops of the SC2 ladders when the game comes out (esp in North America and Europe, where war3 is big.. not so much in korea, where bw still dominates)
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This is totally unfair. If theyre going to do this for war3 they should do it for rock 'n' roll racing and lost vikings too
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big warcraft 3 sites?
try http://war3.replays.net/
there's some starcraft stuff on it as well.
edit: this site is in chinese. Most of the big war3 sites are in chinese, you have to understand how big war3 is in china.
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On March 12 2009 13:29 Steelflight-Rx wrote:
This is totally unfair. If theyre going to do this for war3 they should do it for rock 'n' roll racing and lost vikings too
Well, they made Baleog totally overpowered last patch so I don't know how fair that would be. Besides, the match making sucks for Rock 'n' Roll racing at the moment, so I cannot see how they could use either game.
Just because they've announced that they are going to bring war3-players to the sc2-beta it does not follow that they won't bring in players from elsewhere. They would be foolish not to take advantage of the battle.net architecture they've built up for war3 which can almost automatically single out worthy beta players.
I would also bet that they players who recieve their beta keys from this competition will, on average, crush the people who recieve their beta keys from attending BlizzCon.
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On March 12 2009 11:01 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2009 09:51 ixion wrote:On March 12 2009 09:29 Zoler wrote:On March 12 2009 08:54 G-Dy wrote:On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Every wc3 "pro" will start playing SC2 since wc3 will die the same moment as SC2 is released. You can argue against this all day long but this is what will happen. Well, WarCraft 3 is already a game for WCG09 while SC2 is not, so it obviously won't be that instantly... Actually, WarCraft 3 already seems not to be that interesting for european tournaments as it was two or three years ago, but on the same time i still see new tournaments rising up from china which seems to keep this game alive. And China is therefore very crucial, I think if the chinese "heroes" (Sky, TeD, infi, ...) decides NOT to play StarCraft 2, it might even take quite a time till WC3 dies. But Europe (ESL and stuff) will switch quite fast I think, and hopefully the USA get tired of their console games by then, too :p Edit: Oh I forgot something. Someone said here, that every WC3-Pro said he will switch to SC what is not quite accurate. Everyone (in WC3 and in SC1) says basically the same thing: They will play SC2, but haven't made a clear desicion and therefor waiting what impact this game will have and if it's any good... On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Funny how WC3 is so big but still it's not single website dedicated to it that's not a multi-gaming site. Or is it? Not really. There are some pages, like inwarcraft.de (german) but none has the same size as teamliquid (wc-replays isn't as big, too ... don't know who brought this up o.O). But on the same time you have to admit, that teamliquid is quite special in this case, since I cannot think of any page which has such a large community for a single game. On the same time there is also no real need for it, since from the "coverage"-point there are lot of eSport-news-sites which covers everything you might need (but a active community :p). It might "live" for small time in China, but if SC2 will be that great as we all hope it will die in China as well in a matter of months. Rotterdam (some wc3 player) was interviewed after he played SC2 and he said it was more fun than wc3 and harder to play and he wanted to switch. It's the only interview with a wc3 player I've seen so it's 100% for me haha. Teamliquid is special? No, Starcraft is special. hahaha rotterdam hahaha Now I understand ur feelings for wc3. Rotterdam is such a big newbie.. A swedish apparenly good wc3 player also got interviewed at Dreamhack and he also liked sc2.
MaDFroG? I remember on his fan site (the owner became friends with him) he made an announcement that he will try to become a pro gamer at SC2.
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On March 12 2009 13:29 Steelflight-Rx wrote:
This is totally unfair. If theyre going to do this for war3 they should do it for rock 'n' roll racing and lost vikings too
as a lost vikings semi-pro, i find this to be condescending. do you think we WANT your stupid game? i'm waiting for LV2, thank you very much.
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On March 12 2009 14:15 CalvinStorm wrote:big warcraft 3 sites? try http://war3.replays.net/there's some starcraft stuff on it as well. edit: this site is in chinese. Most of the big war3 sites are in chinese, you have to understand how big war3 is in china.
And there is EVEN bigger Starcraft sites in Korea. Yoi have to understand how big SC is in South Korea. And still we got these big sites for the english community. Hmm?
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On March 12 2009 16:26 rushz0rz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2009 11:01 Zoler wrote:On March 12 2009 09:51 ixion wrote:On March 12 2009 09:29 Zoler wrote:On March 12 2009 08:54 G-Dy wrote:On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Every wc3 "pro" will start playing SC2 since wc3 will die the same moment as SC2 is released. You can argue against this all day long but this is what will happen. Well, WarCraft 3 is already a game for WCG09 while SC2 is not, so it obviously won't be that instantly... Actually, WarCraft 3 already seems not to be that interesting for european tournaments as it was two or three years ago, but on the same time i still see new tournaments rising up from china which seems to keep this game alive. And China is therefore very crucial, I think if the chinese "heroes" (Sky, TeD, infi, ...) decides NOT to play StarCraft 2, it might even take quite a time till WC3 dies. But Europe (ESL and stuff) will switch quite fast I think, and hopefully the USA get tired of their console games by then, too :p Edit: Oh I forgot something. Someone said here, that every WC3-Pro said he will switch to SC what is not quite accurate. Everyone (in WC3 and in SC1) says basically the same thing: They will play SC2, but haven't made a clear desicion and therefor waiting what impact this game will have and if it's any good... On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Funny how WC3 is so big but still it's not single website dedicated to it that's not a multi-gaming site. Or is it? Not really. There are some pages, like inwarcraft.de (german) but none has the same size as teamliquid (wc-replays isn't as big, too ... don't know who brought this up o.O). But on the same time you have to admit, that teamliquid is quite special in this case, since I cannot think of any page which has such a large community for a single game. On the same time there is also no real need for it, since from the "coverage"-point there are lot of eSport-news-sites which covers everything you might need (but a active community :p). It might "live" for small time in China, but if SC2 will be that great as we all hope it will die in China as well in a matter of months. Rotterdam (some wc3 player) was interviewed after he played SC2 and he said it was more fun than wc3 and harder to play and he wanted to switch. It's the only interview with a wc3 player I've seen so it's 100% for me haha. Teamliquid is special? No, Starcraft is special. hahaha rotterdam hahaha Now I understand ur feelings for wc3. Rotterdam is such a big newbie.. A swedish apparenly good wc3 player also got interviewed at Dreamhack and he also liked sc2. MaDFroG? I remember on his fan site (the owner became friends with him) he made an announcement that he will try to become a pro gamer at SC2.
Yeah, lol at that. He couldn't even pull off a successful comeback in WC3 and expects to become a "progamer" (probably just WC3 sense) in a much more competitive environment. Good luck with that.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Eh, seeing as how he was one of the best swedish SC players *waaaay* back, and was one of the best WC3 players in the world (also "way" back), I don't see why that'd be unrealistic. As long as he's got the drive I imagine he could do it.
On March 12 2009 18:20 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2009 14:15 CalvinStorm wrote:big warcraft 3 sites? try http://war3.replays.net/there's some starcraft stuff on it as well. edit: this site is in chinese. Most of the big war3 sites are in chinese, you have to understand how big war3 is in china. And there is EVEN bigger Starcraft sites in Korea. Yoi have to understand how big SC is in South Korea. And still we got these big sites for the english community. Hmm?
Chinese ones are probably bigger.. China just has soooooooo many people.
I think 8da is one of the big sites there? I might be confusing it with something else but I don't think so.
Oh and the swedish player at dreamhack was probably Knoff? LilDC wasn't sure if he'd continue playing, since he'd never played SC before.. IIRC.
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If SC 2 doesn't replace WC3 then the Warcraft e-sport scene will probably go the way the Starcraft e-sport scene is today; big in one country and dead pretty much everywhere else.
Regarding pros switching over or not they will go where the money is simple as that. Being top 10 in Warcraft 3 might be more profitable than being top 100 in SC 2 if you have the option to choose.
Btw it was just announced that Moon signed a 3 year contract with WeMade.FOX for 473 037 USD making Moon the second highest paid e-sport player in Korea.
Question is if WeMade.FOX is planning to use him in Warcraft 3 for the full 3 years or if they are counting on Moon switching over to SC 2 when the times come and that he will preform well there.
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I'd assume the latter since WC3 will be pretty much dead in three years time.
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How come everyone is so convinced that the WC3 scene will die as soon as SC2 is released? They are two significantly different RTS games and, unlike SC, WC3 has no prospect for a successor to replace it anytime soon. Plus, WC3 and SC have been quite capable of living side-by-side for many years now. While it is true that SC2 will most likely be significantly bigger then SC was, that does not necessarily mean that the WC3 scene will die beacuse of it.
Also, if it was their intention to prepare for SC2, that seems like a lot of money to invest into a player who was never a StarCraft progamer and would thus be in a less favourable condition upon SC2`s launch. To add to that point, here is an important part of an MYM article which covers this news:
+ Show Spoiler +Futhermore the manager said that Moon will not be playing Starcraft, nor will they be preparing him for Starcraft 2, since it was never their intention.
SOURCE: MYM
When considering both those points, it is not unreasonable to assume that WeMadeFOX did, infact, aquire Moon for participation in the WC3 scene.
The StarCraft scene was able to exist in spite of WC3`s existance. Considering that, does it really seem that impossible for the WC3 scene to exist in spite of SC2`s existance?
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On March 13 2009 03:22 Tom Phoenix wrote:How come everyone is so convinced that the WC3 scene will die as soon as SC2 is released? They are two significantly different RTS games and, unlike SC, WC3 has no prospect for a successor to replace it anytime soon. Plus, WC3 and SC have been quite capable of living side-by-side for many years now. While it is true that SC2 will most likely be significantly bigger then SC was, that does not necessarily mean that the WC3 scene will die beacuse of it. Also, if it was their intention to prepare for SC2, that seems like a lot of money to invest into a player who was never a StarCraft progamer and would thus be in a less favourable condition upon SC2`s launch. To add to that point, here is an important part of an MYM article which covers this news: + Show Spoiler +Futhermore the manager said that Moon will not be playing Starcraft, nor will they be preparing him for Starcraft 2, since it was never their intention. SOURCE: MYMWhen considering both those points, it is not unreasonable to assume that WeMadeFOX did, infact, aquire Moon for participation in the WC3 scene. The StarCraft scene was able to exist in spite of WC3`s existance. Considering that, does it really seem that impossible for the WC3 scene to exist in spite of SC2`s existance?
I like this argument. Well, I like that someone actually has an argument to support their opinion.
Things to consider:
--e-Sports might be taking a hit in general due to the state of the global economy and that hit might diminish the possibility for co-existence
--While WC3 progamers will still have incentive to play WC3, most of them will have a greater incentive to play SC2. The potential up-and-coming players would pick SC2. The biggest percentage of the WC3 playerbase, the newbs, is going to get hit hard by SC2. They play a role in maintaining the e-Sport.
--SC2 isn't really replacing SC:BW. SC:BW as an e-Sport doesn't exist in the way SC2 will or WC3 does. SC2 won't pick up all the sponsorship that SC:BW had and more, while leaving WC3 alone. SC2 is going to generate its own sponsorship, taking practically nothing from SC:BW, and probably a chunk of it is going to come from what is currently supporting WC3. Who knows how big that chunk will be.
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Good thing imo, I trust war3 players way more to test my game than fucking wow 89 IQ fuckhead inbred retarded white obese losers who dress up as fucking night elves and have sex with each other in the bathroom at blizzcon and get a fucking beta key out of it. This is a huge step forward. Some sort of official ladder for sc to give out keys would be nice, but frankly I think the war3 guys will do a good job.
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On March 13 2009 03:58 Drowsy wrote:
dress up as fucking night elves and have sex with each other in the bathroom at blizzcon
I've been to the last two Blizzcons, and I think I've been missing out!
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Edit: Moved this to another thread that better fit the topic.
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On March 12 2009 21:21 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2009 16:26 rushz0rz wrote:On March 12 2009 11:01 Zoler wrote:On March 12 2009 09:51 ixion wrote:On March 12 2009 09:29 Zoler wrote:On March 12 2009 08:54 G-Dy wrote:On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Every wc3 "pro" will start playing SC2 since wc3 will die the same moment as SC2 is released. You can argue against this all day long but this is what will happen. Well, WarCraft 3 is already a game for WCG09 while SC2 is not, so it obviously won't be that instantly... Actually, WarCraft 3 already seems not to be that interesting for european tournaments as it was two or three years ago, but on the same time i still see new tournaments rising up from china which seems to keep this game alive. And China is therefore very crucial, I think if the chinese "heroes" (Sky, TeD, infi, ...) decides NOT to play StarCraft 2, it might even take quite a time till WC3 dies. But Europe (ESL and stuff) will switch quite fast I think, and hopefully the USA get tired of their console games by then, too :p Edit: Oh I forgot something. Someone said here, that every WC3-Pro said he will switch to SC what is not quite accurate. Everyone (in WC3 and in SC1) says basically the same thing: They will play SC2, but haven't made a clear desicion and therefor waiting what impact this game will have and if it's any good... On March 12 2009 07:40 Zoler wrote:
Funny how WC3 is so big but still it's not single website dedicated to it that's not a multi-gaming site. Or is it? Not really. There are some pages, like inwarcraft.de (german) but none has the same size as teamliquid (wc-replays isn't as big, too ... don't know who brought this up o.O). But on the same time you have to admit, that teamliquid is quite special in this case, since I cannot think of any page which has such a large community for a single game. On the same time there is also no real need for it, since from the "coverage"-point there are lot of eSport-news-sites which covers everything you might need (but a active community :p). It might "live" for small time in China, but if SC2 will be that great as we all hope it will die in China as well in a matter of months. Rotterdam (some wc3 player) was interviewed after he played SC2 and he said it was more fun than wc3 and harder to play and he wanted to switch. It's the only interview with a wc3 player I've seen so it's 100% for me haha. Teamliquid is special? No, Starcraft is special. hahaha rotterdam hahaha Now I understand ur feelings for wc3. Rotterdam is such a big newbie.. A swedish apparenly good wc3 player also got interviewed at Dreamhack and he also liked sc2. MaDFroG? I remember on his fan site (the owner became friends with him) he made an announcement that he will try to become a pro gamer at SC2. Yeah, lol at that. He couldn't even pull off a successful comeback in WC3 and expects to become a "progamer" (probably just WC3 sense) in a much more competitive environment. Good luck with that.
He was really good at SC before WC3. I don't think he was putting his 100% effort into his comeback. I think he could be great at SC2.
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On March 12 2009 07:57 inReacH wrote:
WCR the same size as teamliquid?
Active : 858
Logged in : 336
VS
Currently Active Users: 209 (74 members and 135 guests)
And that's like 2 days after BNET reset which means the activity is much higher than usual.. I've seen like less than 20 logged in members before.
Can we just ban ixion now instead of waiting a few more weeks for him to push the envelope a little further.. this kids posts are all garbage and he's a douche.
Even though it doesn't really matter, WCR used to be larger than Team Liquid. I think just since last year TL has been larger and WCR has been on rapid decline. Because WCR uses a terrible implemented vbulletin design, it's only showing people logged into or viewing the forum, ignoring the people viewing the rest of the site that aren't logged in.
Good thing imo, I trust war3 players way more to test my game than fucking wow 89 IQ fuckhead inbred retarded white obese losers who dress up as fucking night elves and have sex with each other in the bathroom at blizzcon and get a fucking beta key out of it. This is a huge step forward. Some sort of official ladder for sc to give out keys would be nice, but frankly I think the war3 guys will do a good job.
lol
Too bad a good portion of the winners are going to be hackers ;/
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On March 13 2009 10:53 PokePill wrote:Show nested quote +Good thing imo, I trust war3 players way more to test my game than fucking wow 89 IQ fuckhead inbred retarded white obese losers who dress up as fucking night elves and have sex with each other in the bathroom at blizzcon and get a fucking beta key out of it. This is a huge step forward. Some sort of official ladder for sc to give out keys would be nice, but frankly I think the war3 guys will do a good job. lol Too bad a good portion of the winners are going to be hackers ;/
Why? You can't win the wc3 ladder with hacks :/
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On March 13 2009 12:57 Klockan3 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 10:53 PokePill wrote:Good thing imo, I trust war3 players way more to test my game than fucking wow 89 IQ fuckhead inbred retarded white obese losers who dress up as fucking night elves and have sex with each other in the bathroom at blizzcon and get a fucking beta key out of it. This is a huge step forward. Some sort of official ladder for sc to give out keys would be nice, but frankly I think the war3 guys will do a good job. lol Too bad a good portion of the winners are going to be hackers ;/ Why? You can't win the wc3 ladder with hacks :/
you must not play much wc3
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Well its kinda cheap still that the first one who will receive beta key is W3 player, imo its just because they dont want to give away key to sc player, oviously only iccup player would win those and for them it would be like approving iccup and approving iccup = loss of money for them or credibility.
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Agreed nony but newbs dont play a "role" in e-sports. Without them it just wouldn't exist because no one would watch the games, so I guess that was just an understatement.
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On March 13 2009 03:53 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2009 03:22 Tom Phoenix wrote:How come everyone is so convinced that the WC3 scene will die as soon as SC2 is released? They are two significantly different RTS games and, unlike SC, WC3 has no prospect for a successor to replace it anytime soon. Plus, WC3 and SC have been quite capable of living side-by-side for many years now. While it is true that SC2 will most likely be significantly bigger then SC was, that does not necessarily mean that the WC3 scene will die beacuse of it. Also, if it was their intention to prepare for SC2, that seems like a lot of money to invest into a player who was never a StarCraft progamer and would thus be in a less favourable condition upon SC2`s launch. To add to that point, here is an important part of an MYM article which covers this news: + Show Spoiler +Futhermore the manager said that Moon will not be playing Starcraft, nor will they be preparing him for Starcraft 2, since it was never their intention. SOURCE: MYMWhen considering both those points, it is not unreasonable to assume that WeMadeFOX did, infact, aquire Moon for participation in the WC3 scene. The StarCraft scene was able to exist in spite of WC3`s existance. Considering that, does it really seem that impossible for the WC3 scene to exist in spite of SC2`s existance? I like this argument. Well, I like that someone actually has an argument to support their opinion. Things to consider: --e-Sports might be taking a hit in general due to the state of the global economy and that hit might diminish the possibility for co-existence
A crisis usually has an opposite effect on the entertainment industry, since the need for escapism increases during periods of turmoil in society. An example of this is the so-called "Golden Age of Cinema", which occured beacuse people began flocking into cinemas during the Great Depression. While that does not mean that the eSports industry will not be affected by the recession, the negative impacts will (for the most part) be outweighted by increased popularity. Plus, it is worth to note that back in 2001 (year of WC3`s release), Asia was in a similar position since many countries were still recovering from the financial crisis of the late 90`s.
--While WC3 progamers will still have incentive to play WC3, most of them will have a greater incentive to play SC2. The potential up-and-coming players would pick SC2. The biggest percentage of the WC3 playerbase, the newbs, is going to get hit hard by SC2. They play a role in maintaining the e-Sport.
That is true. However, it is worth to note that not all of them will like StarCraft 2`s gameplay and might perfer WarCraft 3`s greater micro orientation. In addition, the majority of the existing WarCraft 3 crowd is unlikely to be drawn to StarCraft 2. Since they did not like StarCraft`s gameplay, it is unlikely they would like StarCraft 2`s gameplay as it is and will be (intentionally) quite similar to that of it`s precessor.
--SC2 isn't really replacing SC:BW. SC:BW as an e-Sport doesn't exist in the way SC2 will or WC3 does. SC2 won't pick up all the sponsorship that SC:BW had and more, while leaving WC3 alone. SC2 is going to generate its own sponsorship, taking practically nothing from SC:BW, and probably a chunk of it is going to come from what is currently supporting WC3. Who knows how big that chunk will be.
Em...no offence, but this has to be one of the most bewildering statements I have ever read. StarCraft II will take nothing from the direct precessor it is trying to mimic, but will take a chunk from a different kind of RTS? If anything, it will be the opposite since StarCraft II is being purpose-built to be similar to the original. Blizzard has stated that many times since the original announcement. For example, here is a part of the interview with Frank Pearce and Bob Colayco:
+ Show Spoiler +VideoGamer.com: Some people say that StarCraft 2 is too similar to the first game. What do you say to those people?
Frank Pearce: Well the first thing I would wonder is whether any of them actually had a chance to play the build. We definitely were deliberate about honouring the legacy of StarCraft. It's a concious decision on our part to make sure the experience reminds the player of the original experience, so I guess in some ways that's good, that that's what they're saying, because that's partially what we've tried to achieve.
SOURCE: VideoGamer.com
This is not to say that SC2 will not affect the WC3 scene, but it will still have a greater effect on a game that comes from the same franchise and that has similar gameplay rather then any other game.
As far as the SC2 scene is concerned, I personally believe it will be a hybrid between how the SC scene works and how the WC3 scene works. It will be popular internationally, but particularly so in Korea. So while the importance of the international scene will increase, Korea will still likely be the mecca of StarCraft II.
In any case, there is a reason why the game was announced in Seoul of all places. There is a reason why this happened after a StarCraft tournament that included some of the best players in the world. There is a reason why, when talking about StarCraft II, the words "competitive", "e-Sports" and "spectator" are among the first to be mentioned. And that reason is that StarCraft II intends to use the current Brood War scene as a basis from which it will continue the StarCraft legacy. Whether one likes the thought of that or not is left to the perception of each individual. But one thing is certain. If successful, it holds great promise for the future of StarCraft and e-Sports as a whole.
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pro ladder starts april 3. anyone else in the usa one?
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