[EP1] Starcraft 2 Battle Report #1 - Page 21

On January 10 2009 01:32 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Yes, and why not? It's cool.

On January 11 2009 12:36 Ancestral wrote:
d_so, it's stupid to argue about the balance of a game only a very small portion of the public has played. That huge write-up about the game that TL staff did did point out some imbalance, but the balance changes all the time as it is tested and revised in house.

During the beta, balance will be hammered out even more. It's easy to argue things are imbalanced. "The Zerg have a unit that can make all of there other units invincible to ranged attack ... IMBA!"

But what matters is how it actually is used in the game, as well as what opponents can to to counter it / prevent it.

On January 11 2009 12:18 d_so wrote:


i dono man.

think about it: this ability is already found in starcraft:broodwar, albeit for zergs with nydus canal. but for zergs to use it successfully, there are a series of well-deserved barriers in play: hive tech, proxy hatchery, nydus can build time.

but in sc2 protoss can skip all that with just one pylon????

or perhaps it is comparable to recall in bw... but cmon recall is one of the last things toss is able to get in broodwar, but in sc2 they can get it in the opening game?

that's IMBA yo... unless every race has this kind of teleporting flexibility. even if it is cool, i hope they nerf that to shit

and i hope the game moves faster =)

On January 11 2009 12:55 d_so wrote:(WoW Hearth Stone, once per every 45 minutes?, WC3's Archmage ultimate, Broodwar nydus canal, recall). To see such a drastic change in the company's philosophy and have such a powerful ability available so early in the game is at the very least shocking, and at its worst, blatantly imbalanced.

but we'll see.

On January 11 2009 13:17 xgc-Infinite wrote:


Except it's not just 1 pylon. It's 1 pylon and upgraded gateways to warpgates. It's not a teleporting ability really, it's a building ability. You can only 'teleport' as many units as you have warpgates, and then you have to wait for the build time for your next wave of units.

On January 11 2009 13:28 armed_ wrote:

The fact that warp-in is tied to unit production means it's much less powerful than any of those other abilities. Any of those others scale in effectiveness based on your army, which can always do significant damage, so making use of them is just a matter of getting access to the ability. Hence why access to them has to be limited to later in the game to be easily balanced. Warp-in, on the other hand, scales based on the number of production facilities you have. Making use of it in any of the ways that make those other abilities so powerful would require you to have a large number of gateways, so nothing like that should come into play until late game anyway. Before then it has a very significant limit on the number of units you can teleport; this makes it much more feasible to balance as an early-mid game ability than any of the ones you mentioned.

I'd predict that apart from cheesy stuff, in early-mid game warp-in will just be used eliminate the factor of the distance reinforcing units have to travel, which isn't too difficult to balance.

On January 24 2009 06:02 MuR)Ernu wrote:
PROXY PYLON DT IMBA. I mean seriously, you don't have to even move them through the map? How is that not imba? Ofc they can nerf it somehow but still.

And also, what if in lategame you have like 20 gateways? Then you build one pylon when you have for example terran in a contain. I mean near your army. Your army will get too much reinforcements too quickly.

I have to say i don't like this stuff.

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Protoss have a permanently cloaked unit that does 40 damage in one swoop?? IMBA obviously as I'm sure such abilities exist in a vacuum.

On January 24 2009 06:02 MuR)Ernu wrote:
PROXY PYLON DT IMBA. I mean seriously, you don't have to even move them through the map? How is that not imba? Ofc they can nerf it somehow but still.

And also, what if in lategame you have like 20 gateways? Then you build one pylon when you have for example terran in a contain. I mean near your army. Your army will get too much reinforcements too quickly.

I have to say i don't like this stuff.

On January 24 2009 10:14 Nitrogen wrote:
uhhh.. dts are imbalanced ofc.

but isn't one of the main purpose of this forum is to discuss sc2, so i don't think you should discourage discussion about the balance of the game. i mean sure, they might take it out later or nerf it, but for now i think it is a valid discussion topic.