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some comments from Crank regarding this:
We already knew about incidents like these already, really.
We already knew large number of Chinese players were already involved with matchfixing but we know how it went, with it being passed on and hushed up.
We don't really want to be involved with Chinese players anymore either.
There's tons of story about Matchfixing and offers regardless of country, in Korea or China. But Chinese scene seem to be bit more blatant about it.
Regardless of country or sports, there's always going to be people involved with illegal or shady businesses. To be perfectly honest, if you were smart and subtly fix with things like mistakes within reason and possible to do, what can you even do? There's nothing we can really do about it.
So we tend to just ignore that possibility at all when we do our work, but there's always scums like that who come out of woodwork and stir things up.
One really sad thing is that players who have period where they suck, like Crank, where they just play really badly and lose. And they get piled on as suspicion of matchfixing. And that's the real tragic part.
https://chzzk.naver.com/video/7595889
35minish mark
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On June 05 2025 09:07 Telephone wrote:
How do you think this will reflect on the scene as a whole, and for the future of SC2? I think that before we jump to conclusions, we should look at the facts. Right now, to my knowledge, the main facts that we have are that someone has accused a player of matchfixing, and told a story that as yet has no documentary evidence beyond that person's word.
I'm not saying matchfixing did or did not happen, and if it did, the perpetrator should be disciplined accordingly. But seriously. This is just words.
The pictures include chat history between Jim and Firefly, the betting site, and transactions. I think these evidence are pretty solid. (I read Chinese.)
If these pictures are translated and sort, they should be strong proof.
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On June 05 2025 09:07 Telephone wrote:
How do you think this will reflect on the scene as a whole, and for the future of SC2? I think that before we jump to conclusions, we should look at the facts. Right now, to my knowledge, the main facts that we have are that someone has accused a player of matchfixing, and told a story that as yet has no documentary evidence beyond that person's word.
I'm not saying matchfixing did or did not happen, and if it did, the perpetrator should be disciplined accordingly. But seriously. This is just words.
Actually Jim has posted transfer record and chat record, his own gambling screenshot as well. It’s not even news to us Chinese players that some old players like Jim or Xigua once were or are still involved in gambling, because people in the scene or even amateur fans have more or less heard about it — some have even lent them money.
And if it's allowed, fk these bugs no matter why they chose this way.
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This is the transaction record between Jim and Firefly, if you check the time and you can find out their time are closed to some games played by Firefly.
‧July 8th, 2024 00:08:50 ¥14500
→ July 7th, 2024 22:55 EWC 2024 Closed Qualifier - Firefly vs Bunny
‧April 26th, 2024 22:07:45 ¥12000
→ April 26th, 2024 20:50 ESL SC2 Masters 2024 Spring: Asia - Firefly vs Nanami
‧April 20th, 2024 22:32:15 ¥15000
→ April 20th, 2024 20:15 ESL SC2 Masters 2024 Spring: Asia - Firefly vs Coffee
‧April 20th, 2024 21:21:14 ¥20000
→ April 20th, 2024 20:15 ESL SC2 Masters 2024 Spring: Asia - Firefly vs Coffee
‧April 17th, 2024 21:31:39 ¥22000
→ April 17th, 2024 19:30 ESL SC2 Masters 2024 Spring: Asia - Firefly vs Lemon
‧April 11th, 2024 23:27:10 ¥17500
→ April 11th, 2024 22:00 ESL SC2 Masters 2024 Spring: Asia - Firefly vs Jim
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Considering that Firefly isn't a big star, I gotta think that EWC will revoke his seed after a pretty rudimentary follow-up investigation (if they do that at all).
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They probably need to act before the Global Qualifier starts, which give this a 2-weeks window for resolution.
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there's way more match fixing going on than you guys know, across ALL games, including warcraft 3 etc
look how much money these low-tier chinese pros could make with a single rigged series....
then look at how sc2 gamers will play a b07 for $50...
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nice to see this stuff get exposed. Kudos to Jim for coming clean.
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Okay yeah this looks like pretty damning evidence lol.
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On June 05 2025 21:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
nice to see this stuff get exposed. Kudos to Jim for coming clean.
Is it really kudos when he is trying to bring firefly down with him out of spite tho lol
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On June 05 2025 21:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
nice to see this stuff get exposed. Kudos to Jim for coming clean.
yes kudos to a matchfixing cunt who conveniently decided to stop matchfixing and come "clean" right after announcing he will no longer play. This is the hero we needed, hooray. Maybe you would be so kind and organize a farewell showmatch to honor this Chinese legends rich career ?
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Man, this makes me miss Oliveira even more
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On June 06 2025 02:05 Pelloth99 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2025 21:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
nice to see this stuff get exposed. Kudos to Jim for coming clean. yes kudos to a matchfixing cunt who conveniently decided to stop matchfixing and come "clean" right after announcing he will no longer play. This is the hero we needed, hooray. Maybe you would be so kind and organize a farewell showmatch to honor this Chinese legends rich career ?
This is your first message on the forums, did you really make an account just to say this?
We can commend Jim's doing the right thing here by bringing forth solid evidence for Firefly's involvement in matchfixing while simultaneously condemning his own actions and barring him from competition as well (though it seems he didn't want to play anymore, anyway).
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On June 05 2025 21:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
nice to see this stuff get exposed. Kudos to Jim for coming clean.
On June 06 2025 02:32 MrIronGolem27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 02:05 Pelloth99 wrote:On June 05 2025 21:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
nice to see this stuff get exposed. Kudos to Jim for coming clean. yes kudos to a matchfixing cunt who conveniently decided to stop matchfixing and come "clean" right after announcing he will no longer play. This is the hero we needed, hooray. Maybe you would be so kind and organize a farewell showmatch to honor this Chinese legends rich career ? This is your first message on the forums, did you really make an account just to say this? We can commend Jim's doing the right thing here by bringing forth solid evidence for Firefly's involvement in matchfixing while simultaneously condemning his own actions and barring him from competition as well (though it seems he didn't want to play anymore, anyway).
shrug, I give Jim zero credit for only coming clean because he spitefully wanted to bring someone else down with him
ya'll prolly call guys who strike plea deals with prosecutors heroes
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On June 06 2025 02:32 MrIronGolem27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 02:05 Pelloth99 wrote:On June 05 2025 21:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
nice to see this stuff get exposed. Kudos to Jim for coming clean. yes kudos to a matchfixing cunt who conveniently decided to stop matchfixing and come "clean" right after announcing he will no longer play. This is the hero we needed, hooray. Maybe you would be so kind and organize a farewell showmatch to honor this Chinese legends rich career ? This is your first message on the forums, did you really make an account just to say this? We can commend Jim's doing the right thing here by bringing forth solid evidence for Firefly's involvement in matchfixing while simultaneously condemning his own actions and barring him from competition as well (though it seems he didn't want to play anymore, anyway).
this is your 208th post and yet I'm here longer than you and prolly most of others but I see that according to you your voice is more important because of your "post seniority". Thank you, point not taken. If a few sentences of actual truth are so shocking to you then I don't know what to say, maybe grow some balls and acknowledge a more direct point of view instead of softening actions that are shattering the trust to the entire scene (and genre) for years.
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I question people's reading comprehension when they are taking Jim's spiteful outburst over not getting paid as a brave coming clean moment.
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I agree that Jim should not receive credit for coming forward based on the circumstances.
That being said, things are not always black and white. You can give him no credit and condemn what he has done while also recognizing that some good may come of it if it prevents a match fixer from participating in the world championship event.
Lets hope EWS reviews, authenticates and uses the evidence to do the right thing.
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On June 06 2025 02:43 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2025 21:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
nice to see this stuff get exposed. Kudos to Jim for coming clean. Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 02:32 MrIronGolem27 wrote:On June 06 2025 02:05 Pelloth99 wrote:On June 05 2025 21:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
nice to see this stuff get exposed. Kudos to Jim for coming clean. yes kudos to a matchfixing cunt who conveniently decided to stop matchfixing and come "clean" right after announcing he will no longer play. This is the hero we needed, hooray. Maybe you would be so kind and organize a farewell showmatch to honor this Chinese legends rich career ? This is your first message on the forums, did you really make an account just to say this? We can commend Jim's doing the right thing here by bringing forth solid evidence for Firefly's involvement in matchfixing while simultaneously condemning his own actions and barring him from competition as well (though it seems he didn't want to play anymore, anyway). shrug, I give Jim zero credit for only coming clean because he spitefully wanted to bring someone else down with him ya'll prolly call guys who strike plea deals with prosecutors heroes
"kudos" to "hero" is a big leap. SC2 video game fixing and crimes requiring plea deals and prosecutors is also another big leap. the word "prolly" is doing a lot of work here.
On June 06 2025 02:32 MrIronGolem27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2025 02:05 Pelloth99 wrote:On June 05 2025 21:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
nice to see this stuff get exposed. Kudos to Jim for coming clean. yes kudos to a matchfixing cunt who conveniently decided to stop matchfixing and come "clean" right after announcing he will no longer play. This is the hero we needed, hooray. Maybe you would be so kind and organize a farewell showmatch to honor this Chinese legends rich career ? This is your first message on the forums, did you really make an account just to say this? We can commend Jim's doing the right thing here by bringing forth solid evidence for Firefly's involvement in matchfixing while simultaneously condemning his own actions and barring him from competition as well (though it seems he didn't want to play anymore, anyway).
true. All kinds of stuff, including competitive SC2, is fixed. At this point the NBA is about as real as the WWE. The Mavericks traded Doncic for what again? Oh, for the 1st over all pick even though they only had a 1.9% shot at it.. Got it.
Toronto has more Italians than any city in NA other than NY. In 2006, the Toronto NBA team was run by an Italian family. The best 18 year old Italian in history was about to go #1 in the draft and Toronto had a 4% chance of winning the #1 pick in the draft lottery. What a miracle... they got it.
The bottom line is: most adults are liars.
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On June 05 2025 21:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
nice to see this stuff get exposed. Kudos to Jim for coming clean.
I guess you need more details about this thing.
As early as last year, Jim had posted on the forum threatening to expose someone's misconduct, but that post ultimately led nowhere. At the time, we didn't know that the "someone" he mentioned referred to Firefly.
Now, combined with Jim's recent statement, I think the conclusion is pretty clear. Five years ago, Jim was already using the match-fixing issue to threaten or even extort Nightbutterfly for money. And now, since his threats failed to make Firefly transfer him ten thousand RMB, he went ahead and made this post. At the very least, I believe this is a classic case of criminal extortion.
Guess what? Bottom line is—people can lie, but they can't committing crimes.
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what is the suspected match he matchfixed in? I would like to review that game. Does anyone have a vod?
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