EPTMaru wins Code S Season 1, achieves "6SL"
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Glorfindelio
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5673 Posts
On July 29 2022 11:36 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Seems inevitable as long as the tournament keeps going. It's not like these players are getting replaced by newer talent. Honestly, I said this when Maru won his 4th GSL too, but he's past the point where the number getting bigger means anything to me. He's already achieved maximum impressiveness for me. And it just keeps getting more true with time. I can't blame Maru, he's actually a fun player to watch and winning is literally his job, it's just a sign of the times I guess. Add that to the GomTvT bracket and the offline group stage, and this has been my least favourite GSL in a long, long time. | ||
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Agh
United States782 Posts
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Slydie
1676 Posts
On May 23 2023 05:06 CaRn1FeX wrote: I'm inrterested in seeing if this continues to be that heavily Terran favored or if the other races will catch up eventually. Currently the patch feels very terran favoured...  Stormgate, please hurryIs it really unit balance, though? 4 Terrans in top4 can also happen because: -The maps are T favoured. -The other races lack talent in Korea atm. When Z has dominated in the past, the maps have always been at least as important as the patch. | ||
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Athenau
487 Posts
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CaRn1FeX
Germany199 Posts
On May 24 2023 05:28 Athenau wrote: The EU and AM regionals both had PvZ finals, so GSL looks like an outlier so far. Its just regionals for less strong regions than KR | ||
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dysenterymd
843 Posts
On May 24 2023 03:11 Slydie wrote: Is it really unit balance, though? 4 Terrans in top4 can also happen because: -The maps are T favoured. -The other races lack talent in Korea atm. When Z has dominated in the past, the maps have always been at least as important as the patch. I think Protoss is definitely suffering vs Terran, but balance seems mostly fine otherwise. 4T semifinals is still an outlier though, and it took herO and Dark both underperforming. | ||
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angry_maia
265 Posts
On May 24 2023 06:19 dysenterymd wrote: I think Protoss is definitely suffering vs Terran, but balance seems mostly fine otherwise. 4T semifinals is still an outlier though, and it took herO and Dark both underperforming. Is it really a case of Protoss suffering balance wise? A plausible alternative is just the current set of active players. Looking at aligulac, the third best protoss is Classic who ranks at #11. Imo, regardless of the patch, I would not favor current classic against any players in the top 10 with many of them absolutely dominating him. Overall, it just feels like, Maru, Byun, Clem, Cure, Bunny, Oliveira is just skill for skill a much stronger line up than Hero, Maxpax, Classic, Showtime, Stats, Creator, and I don't think there was any recent patch in which the former would not dominate the latter. I think the best hope is to wait for (hopefuly) Stats + Classic to get back to their best selves (plausibly never happens) and for Maxpax to play in offline tournaments (also might never happen). Overall, the set of active pro players is just too small to make any kinds of conclusive remarks about balance solely based on results. | ||
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tigera6
2193 Posts
Having said that, I dont have an issue if they remove the nerf on Battery Overcharge and Disruptor shot. I think those 2 make it way too hard for Protoss to defend against the Terran 2 base push or post-Colossi tech. And I personally believe the reason for those 2 nerfs was because of PvZ, not PvT. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15100 Posts
Right now this should be more obvious than ever with a simple balance patch changing the situation from "Zerg players are just better than everyone" to "Terran players are just better than everyone" | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5673 Posts
On May 25 2023 01:27 angry_maia wrote: Is it really a case of Protoss suffering balance wise? A plausible alternative is just the current set of active players. Can you define "current" as a percentage of the full lifespan of Legacy of the Void? | ||
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Agh
United States782 Posts
On May 25 2023 03:50 Charoisaur wrote: Classic is a multiple Starleague champ and he had now plenty of time to get back in shape. I can't hear this x players just happen to be better talk anymore, the perception of how good a player is is based on results and balance influences which players get good results. Right now this should be more obvious than ever with a simple balance patch changing the situation from "Zerg players are just better than everyone" to "Terran players are just better than everyone" it's definitely patch related, but doesn't completely omit cases where people are playing better (and in other cases barely playing at all [>insert group D here<]). After watching the Maru vs Cure group series you already knew that was going to be the finals, even without seeing the rest of the matches or even the other group playing a single game. Game state also affects players motivation to prepare and mentality overall. I don't think one tournament calls for a kneejerk response but if it becomes a trend something needs to be done to prevent the cascade effect. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2208 Posts
On May 25 2023 03:50 Charoisaur wrote: Right now this should be more obvious than ever with a simple balance patch changing the situation from "Zerg players are just better than everyone" to "Terran players are just better than everyone" Remember when people thought Terran was screwed by this patch? I am still laughing about that. | ||
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AcrossFromTime
23 Posts
I don't think it's right to suggest that the game should be balanced around a hypothetical better player for a particular race. I think it has to be balanced around the current actually existing players. Whoever the best current player is for each race, they should each have an equal chance of winning a tournament, balance-wise. I think that if a game is going to be fun to watch, it has to be that way. But that's just my opinion. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada14837 Posts
On May 23 2023 04:17 Slydie wrote: I just finished watching the semis and the final, great games! I find it fantastic that a mirror matchup can have that much variety! Some more mech and maybe an attempt at pure bio could have been fun, but the sky terran games made up for it! i agree and to add to your comment. imo, Blizzard did a great job with all 3 mirrors. David Kim and Dustin Browder and genius level game designers. | ||
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nojok
France15830 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States526 Posts
On May 23 2023 05:06 CaRn1FeX wrote: I'm inrterested in seeing if this continues to be that heavily Terran favored or if the other races will catch up eventually. Currently the patch feels very terran favoured... Stormgate, please hurrysc2 is EXTREMELY terran favored, and protoss as well but not at the top level. zerg is weakest in gm and all levels below. only serral is exception to the rule atm. not even reynor winning or dark | ||
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Athenau
487 Posts
On May 28 2023 15:41 CicadaSC wrote: sc2 is EXTREMELY terran favored, and protoss as well but not at the top level. zerg is weakest in gm and all levels below. only serral is exception to the rule atm. not even reynor winning or dark Zerg wins 40-50% of premiere tournaments every year for three years straight--" Zerg players are just better". Zerg doesn't win everything for three months. THE SKY IS FALLING. | ||
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JJH777
United States4052 Posts
On May 28 2023 22:56 Athenau wrote: Zerg wins 40-50% of premiere tournaments every year for three years straight--" Zerg players are just better". Zerg doesn't win everything for three months. THE SKY IS FALLING. And Zerg has won like 3mil more in prize money than the other two races over the games life. Zerg is still in first place even if you subtract Serral and Rogues winnings. Obviously not relevant to current balance but his post reads to me like he thinks Terrans been the best for a long time. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2208 Posts
On May 28 2023 22:56 Athenau wrote: Zerg wins 40-50% of premiere tournaments every year for three years straight--" Zerg players are just better". Zerg doesn't win everything for three months. THE SKY IS FALLING. This would mean a lot more coming from someone other than the person who thought the sky was falling because snipe gained some counterplay. | ||
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