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On May 28 2023 15:41 CicadaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2023 05:06 CaRn1FeX wrote:I'm inrterested in seeing if this continues to be that heavily Terran favored or if the other races will catch up eventually. Currently the patch feels very terran favoured...  Stormgate, please hurry sc2 is EXTREMELY terran favored, and protoss as well but not at the top level. zerg is weakest in gm and all levels below. only serral is exception to the rule atm. not even reynor winning or dark
Zerg wins 40-50% of premiere tournaments every year for three years straight--" Zerg players are just better". Zerg doesn't win everything for three months. THE SKY IS FALLING.
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On May 28 2023 22:56 Athenau wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 15:41 CicadaSC wrote:On May 23 2023 05:06 CaRn1FeX wrote:I'm inrterested in seeing if this continues to be that heavily Terran favored or if the other races will catch up eventually. Currently the patch feels very terran favoured... Stormgate, please hurry sc2 is EXTREMELY terran favored, and protoss as well but not at the top level. zerg is weakest in gm and all levels below. only serral is exception to the rule atm. not even reynor winning or dark Zerg wins 40-50% of premiere tournaments every year for three years straight--" Zerg players are just better". Zerg doesn't win everything for three months. THE SKY IS FALLING.
And Zerg has won like 3mil more in prize money than the other two races over the games life. Zerg is still in first place even if you subtract Serral and Rogues winnings. Obviously not relevant to current balance but his post reads to me like he thinks Terrans been the best for a long time.
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On May 28 2023 22:56 Athenau wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 15:41 CicadaSC wrote:On May 23 2023 05:06 CaRn1FeX wrote:I'm inrterested in seeing if this continues to be that heavily Terran favored or if the other races will catch up eventually. Currently the patch feels very terran favoured... Stormgate, please hurry sc2 is EXTREMELY terran favored, and protoss as well but not at the top level. zerg is weakest in gm and all levels below. only serral is exception to the rule atm. not even reynor winning or dark Zerg wins 40-50% of premiere tournaments every year for three years straight--" Zerg players are just better". Zerg doesn't win everything for three months. THE SKY IS FALLING.
This would mean a lot more coming from someone other than the person who thought the sky was falling because snipe gained some counterplay.
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On May 29 2023 09:52 Turbovolver wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2023 22:56 Athenau wrote:On May 28 2023 15:41 CicadaSC wrote:On May 23 2023 05:06 CaRn1FeX wrote:I'm inrterested in seeing if this continues to be that heavily Terran favored or if the other races will catch up eventually. Currently the patch feels very terran favoured... Stormgate, please hurry sc2 is EXTREMELY terran favored, and protoss as well but not at the top level. zerg is weakest in gm and all levels below. only serral is exception to the rule atm. not even reynor winning or dark Zerg wins 40-50% of premiere tournaments every year for three years straight--" Zerg players are just better". Zerg doesn't win everything for three months. THE SKY IS FALLING. This would mean a lot more coming from someone other than the person who thought the sky was falling because snipe gained some counterplay.
I thought it was a bad change if implemented without appropriate compensation elsewhere. But sure, that's totally the same as complaining that the game is extremely terran favored after three months, while blithely ignoring the last three years.
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I don't see the Terran heavy tournament finals as a balance problem (yet)
Katowice was a TvT final mainly because the Korean GOAT plays Terran and the Non-Korean GOAT had trouble with ZvZ
GSL S1 was a TvT final and semifinal because 80% of the best Koreans play Terran these days. Top Korean Protoss are a bit rusty still from military and the one active top top Zerg had a bad day
For me this is still coincidental. Now if this happens again, specially on an international stage, I would be inclined to call it pattern
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On May 30 2023 19:59 Harris1st wrote:
I don't see the Terran heavy tournament finals as a balance problem (yet)
Katowice was a TvT final mainly because the Korean GOAT plays Terran and the Non-Korean GOAT had trouble with ZvZ
GSL S1 was a TvT final and semifinal because 80% of the best Koreans play Terran these days. Top Korean Protoss are a bit rusty still from military and the one active top top Zerg had a bad day
For me this is still coincidental. Now if this happens again, specially on an international stage, I would be inclined to call it pattern
While I agree with the overall point that we can't be too stressed yet, I think the bolded claim is hilarious. While I'd maybe agree there are somewhat more good terrans, only Maru and Cure are actually toptier. It's not like Bunny, Ryung and Gumiho are substantially better than Solar, Classic, Ragnarok, DRG and Creator.
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Well, the 80% is an arbitrary chosen number that I can't back up so fair point.
Personally, I'd put a non-hurting Byun above Solar/ DRG/ Rag and Bunny on the same tier as those. The Protoss players (Classic, herO, Stats) and Dark I excluded with my next sentence. Creator, Ryung and Gumi I don't know where to put
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I'd say it's:
tier 1: Maru, Dark, herO
tier 2: Cure, ByuN, Solar
tier 3: Classic, Ragnarok, DRG, Bunny, Creator
tier 4: the rest
So 50% of the top 6 players play terran.
I agree that variance played a part in the recent results we've seen, but from all we've seen I'm very worried about the TvP matchup
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On May 30 2023 21:35 Charoisaur wrote:
I'd say it's:
tier 1: Maru, Dark, herO
tier 2: Cure, ByuN, Solar
tier 3: Classic, Ragnarok, DRG, Bunny, Creator
tier 4: the rest
So 50% of the top 6 players play terran.
I agree that variance played a part in the recent results we've seen, but from all we've seen I'm very worried about the TvP matchup
In term of form from the recent GSL and last couple weeks, I would not put Dark and herO in tier 1, but herO is getting back there. Cure could be tier 1 because he is so solid overall. Classic should be tier 2 with how good he looks, tier 3 seems to be fair enough after adding Gumiho.
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On May 30 2023 22:43 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2023 21:35 Charoisaur wrote:
I'd say it's:
tier 1: Maru, Dark, herO
tier 2: Cure, ByuN, Solar
tier 3: Classic, Ragnarok, DRG, Bunny, Creator
tier 4: the rest
So 50% of the top 6 players play terran.
I agree that variance played a part in the recent results we've seen, but from all we've seen I'm very worried about the TvP matchup In term of form from the recent GSL and last couple weeks, I would not put Dark and herO in tier 1, but herO is getting back there. Cure could be tier 1 because he is so solid overall. Classic should be tier 2 with how good he looks, tier 3 seems to be fair enough after adding Gumiho.
Yeah but form in recent weeks/months is influenced by the balance patch so I tried to do a more general ranking based on the last 1-2 years.
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