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TO first promised the player online play is ok, then nitpicked a wording nuance to justify the terrible disqualification decision, and entirely shifted the blame to the player for the overly short time (2-3 weeks) between the online qualification and the playoff.
If the player most likely thinks he won't qualify, given the SC2 prize pool is meager, why is it his responsibility to spend money on a Netherlands visa 2 months in advance, instead of trying to get it after qualification? TO also refuses to understand that it's a much longer process for Chinese specifically to get a Netherlands visa, and disqualifies TIME (who is the only reason why SC2 fans and events like WTL even exist in China) and pissed off the largest SC2 fan base.
Terrible decision on so many levels, very bad for the scene. Hope it can still be reverted.
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On August 19 2022 10:34 dysenterymd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2022 09:25 Kitai wrote:On August 18 2022 15:42 pandorasheep wrote:On August 18 2022 15:10 t5Fab wrote:
I really disagree with the choice of replacing Time with Lambo so easily.
If you want to punish time for not being there you could always give the opponent the server choice.
If you want all people to be there in person why should lambo (lost 0-2) take precedence over hero (lost 1-2) or gumiho (0-2 too)?
Organise another round robin between the 3 aforementioned players for the UB slot and a straight bo5 for HM and Astrea for the new LB slot.
More StarCraft, more fun. Take a look at Lambo's skin color versus herO's and Gumi's. Theres your answer. I bet GSL would pick herO or Gumi over Lambo I agree there's an argument to me made about bracket placement unfairness, but an accusation of racism is super uncalled for. Pandora is a troll. Reasonable people know only ESL would rig brackets for foreigners  Bad look for TSL. I imagine the reasoning was that Neeb didn't directly beat anyone to be at the offline finals (he dropped to the LB in his last match), whereas Time beat Lambo to get to the winners SF and had a "direct" replacement, but considering TSL just held a RR for the other spot and there are still weeks to go there's not much excuse.
According to the post by SeaGnome (#31), the decision is make with consultation with ESL. So, ias against Korean confirmed?
In all serious, it probably do not matter all that much in terms of the title race. And whether the player is eliminated at RO8 or RO16 is probably not the kind of thing they care that much anyways.
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On August 20 2022 08:40 chilongqua322 wrote:
TO first promised the player online play is ok, then nitpicked a wording nuance to justify the terrible disqualification decision, and entirely shifted the blame to the player for the overly short time (2-3 weeks) between the online qualification and the playoff.
If the player most likely thinks he won't qualify, given the SC2 prize pool is meager, why is it his responsibility to spend money on a Netherlands visa 2 months in advance, instead of trying to get it after qualification? TO also refuses to understand that it's a much longer process for Chinese specifically to get a Netherlands visa, and disqualifies TIME (who is the only reason why SC2 fans and events like WTL even exist in China) and pissed off the largest SC2 fan base.
Terrible decision on so many levels, very bad for the scene. Hope it can still be reverted.
I second this. Honestly, I would love to see more MaxPax gimmickeries too. Allowing online plays in a mostly offline tournament will help bring him in more often as well.
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For whatever reason, it is believed that players who play online from home have an advantage over players who play offline, even with higher ping, while there is little or none audience in this case. And if you allow one player to do it, then others players will request for it as well as not everyone like to travel. So thats a tough situation and you have to make very delicate decision on a case-by-case basis.
In this case, the reason for disqualifying Time because he didnt get the visa in time was somewhat understandable. And I know that applying for visa from certain countries might be tougher than others in term of the cost and time, but that burden still fall on the player and they have to get that ready on time for the travel. Unless the tournament organizer can apply the visa for player themselves, there is nothing they could do neither.
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Well since it's not addressed anywhere in this thread I may as well ask
Does TIME at least get the minimum prize money he would have received for his performance? Or is that getting cut too and we're just pretending he was never there?
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Are there enough places in those barcrafts to just come and drink/watch the games? I guess so since sc2 is not as popular as games such as LoL.
Might go to one of them if tickets to London aren’t too expensive around that time
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On August 20 2022 17:46 Poopi wrote:
Are there enough places in those barcrafts to just come and drink/watch the games? I guess so since sc2 is not as popular as games such as LoL.
Might go to one of them if tickets to London aren’t too expensive around that time
The last UKSC2 viewing event was the Feb 2020 IEM just before COVID. Normally we get around 20 people, but this is the first time one will have TL support. If you're thinking of coming, I recommend joining the UKSC2 Discord  .
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Speaking of Barcrafts, is there anything happening in Amsterdam/Utrecht area?! Would love to attend one!
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Is there a possibility of attending the offline matches in Utrecht?
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On August 19 2022 15:45 Edpayasugo wrote:
Nice, I havnt been to Meltdown for years but if I am free I may go along!
Just so you know, the Meltdown BarCraft has been moved to Saturday with Sidequest on Sunday. This is so we don't end up split over two bars. Feel free to come to either! Hope to see you there
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