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On August 18 2022 15:10 t5Fab wrote:
I really disagree with the choice of replacing Time with Lambo so easily.
If you want to punish time for not being there you could always give the opponent the server choice.
If you want all people to be there in person why should lambo (lost 0-2) take precedence over hero (lost 1-2) or gumiho (0-2 too)?
Organise another round robin between the 3 aforementioned players for the UB slot and a straight bo5 for HM and Astrea for the new LB slot.
More StarCraft, more fun.
Take a look at Lambo's skin color versus herO's and Gumi's. Theres your answer. I bet GSL would pick herO or Gumi over Lambo
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The approach they've used doesn't seem fully consistent, but I don't think there is any great conspiracy in it:
They keep the integrity of the upper bracket by giving the spot to Lambo rather than herO or Gumi - they are playing the upper bracket out as if Lambo had beaten Time, but otherwise unchanged. It's very unfortunate that it's happening retrospectively, but it means the upper bracket essentially remains a single elimination tournament and e.g. Serral or Reynor don't have a possibility of facing herO/Gumi for the second time in the upper bracket.
When Neeb drops out from the lower bracket ahead of time (and Lambo is bumped up to the upper bracket) that leaves matches that wouldn't be played. In order to keep a consistent approach with the above, they would have to give byes to Classic and Zoun. However this would mean from an organizer and spectator point of view less total games (including less games at their final, LAN portion of the event) would be played - so I can understand them trying to find a compromise between not disrupting the brackets and making sure the same number of games still happen.
It is still doesn't leave a good feeling in the sense that any of these are (or were) possible:
- Lambo wins a single elimination upper bracket with a match losses
- Lambo/Solar/Astrea/HeroMarine win a double elimination tournament with two match losses
- Classic plays Astrea twice in a row
- Maru eliminates Solar twice in one tournament
But there isn't really a way to deal with players dropping out past round 1 of a tournament that doesn't suck in some regards, and while this isn't necessarily the way I'd do things, it still feels reasonable enough.
If the only thing that mattered was integrity of the tournament, we would probably just have a massive round robin not a bracket anyway...
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Too bad there is no barcraft in France. I believe the former OG casters will start something in September to cast together now that o'gaming.sc2 is done, but I don't think they can organize a viewing party yet.
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Why is Lambo in the upper bracket.. Hero had to play Reynor and now Maru and Lambo just gets to upper bracket? wtf i already dont like Lambo
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On August 18 2022 18:08 nostrasbeefs wrote:
Why is Lambo in the upper bracket.. Hero had to play Reynor and now Maru and Lambo just gets to upper bracket? wtf i already dont like Lambo
i mean you can definitely disagree with this decision and I do also think it's a bit inconsistent, but how is it Lambo's fault??
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terrible situation, terribly handled
a bit of a shame, really
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Lambo got an easy bracket and now a free pass after losing 2-0 to Time, I don't think there's a conspiracy but I definitely don't think it's fair!
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You know what would be a really good thing for TL to do to make up for how bad this looks?
Don't hide from it, and acknowledge it. Lambo is lucky to be in the winner's bracket for a spot that he didn't earn and he has a lot to prove to justify keeping that spot. Put that in the opening line of his player's preview whenever TL does a write up for the next round of the tournament.
Talk about how TIME got shafted by the circumstances of another event, and give him his deserved praise.
We can all appreciate that organizing these tournaments is difficult and chaotic at times. But let's call a spade a spade and acknowledge stuff for what it is.
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On August 18 2022 05:12 ZAiNs wrote:Myself and many other UK SC2 celebrities will going to the Sidequest Gamers Hub barcraft in London  .
You must be real famous if you call yourself a celebrity
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On August 18 2022 21:53 MineraIs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2022 05:12 ZAiNs wrote:Myself and many other UK SC2 celebrities will going to the Sidequest Gamers Hub barcraft in London . You must be real famous if you call yourself a celebrity
He is indeed very famous over here for his SC2 knowledge and good manners. Ask any random person in the UK and they will know him.
Sad about Time  , was looking forward to ShowTime v Time. Hoping Maru can have a nice lower bracket run.
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On August 18 2022 06:28 JJH777 wrote:Found the post in question: Show nested quote +On August 06 2022 03:07 SeaGnome wrote:On August 06 2022 02:46 Elentos wrote:
So will TIME play top 12 online or be forced to forfeit? Or does TSL cover flight costs that exceed the prize money for 2nd place? We're working with TIME and KaiZi Gaming to go through all the proper channels so he can make it to Utrecht, with Team Liquid covering the travel expenses. If it's unfortunately not possible, we will allow TIME to play online. I guess if it's been determined that it's Times fault rather than due to logistics or expenses it makes sense. Still disappointing. Out of the upper bracket players he was the one I was most interested in seeing how they did in the offline portion.
Sorry if this wasn't worded clearly! The offer to allow TIME to play online was only for the scenarios where he was denied a travel visa, or if his visa was ultimately delayed by government action.
In TIME's situation, there are typically aspects of the visa process that need to start at least one month in advance, which would have been in late July during the first week of TSL 9 online. TIME and his team were aware of the TSL 9 dates and expectations, and understanding it was their responsibility to get an approved visa for offline play.
The decision to replace TIME with Lambo was made in collaboration with ESL, who have provided guidance throughout the tournament. I understand the perspective that the ruling looks inconsistent from how Neeb was handled, and will look to find a healthier solution for future situations. In this case, we are planning on continuing on with our previously announced plans.
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On August 18 2022 09:02 uselless wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2022 08:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
And Aligulac will continue to be biased against him for reasons like this. He was far and away the best non-Korean Terran at this tournament. As much as I think Clem is overrated, I still don't think TIME is better; that said, I think he might be the second best non-Korean Terran, maybe roughly equal to HM
He didn't say TIME was better, only that he was the best non-Korean Terran in this tournament. As much of a rough patch as it is, Clem has still been a finalist in 7/10 of the latest weeklies.
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On August 18 2022 17:11 Poopi wrote:
Too bad there is no barcraft in France. I believe the former OG casters will start something in September to cast together now that o'gaming.sc2 is done, but I don't think they can organize a viewing party yet.
what happen to o'gaming.sc2 ? doesn't they still streaming on twitch ?
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On August 18 2022 15:42 pandorasheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2022 15:10 t5Fab wrote:
I really disagree with the choice of replacing Time with Lambo so easily.
If you want to punish time for not being there you could always give the opponent the server choice.
If you want all people to be there in person why should lambo (lost 0-2) take precedence over hero (lost 1-2) or gumiho (0-2 too)?
Organise another round robin between the 3 aforementioned players for the UB slot and a straight bo5 for HM and Astrea for the new LB slot.
More StarCraft, more fun. Take a look at Lambo's skin color versus herO's and Gumi's. Theres your answer. I bet GSL would pick herO or Gumi over Lambo
I agree there's an argument to me made about bracket placement unfairness, but an accusation of racism is super uncalled for.
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On August 19 2022 09:25 Kitai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2022 15:42 pandorasheep wrote:On August 18 2022 15:10 t5Fab wrote:
I really disagree with the choice of replacing Time with Lambo so easily.
If you want to punish time for not being there you could always give the opponent the server choice.
If you want all people to be there in person why should lambo (lost 0-2) take precedence over hero (lost 1-2) or gumiho (0-2 too)?
Organise another round robin between the 3 aforementioned players for the UB slot and a straight bo5 for HM and Astrea for the new LB slot.
More StarCraft, more fun. Take a look at Lambo's skin color versus herO's and Gumi's. Theres your answer. I bet GSL would pick herO or Gumi over Lambo I agree there's an argument to me made about bracket placement unfairness, but an accusation of racism is super uncalled for.
Pandora is a troll. Reasonable people know only ESL would rig brackets for foreigners 
Bad look for TSL. I imagine the reasoning was that Neeb didn't directly beat anyone to be at the offline finals (he dropped to the LB in his last match), whereas Time beat Lambo to get to the winners SF and had a "direct" replacement, but considering TSL just held a RR for the other spot and there are still weeks to go there's not much excuse.
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Super disappointed by the decision to just move Lambo to the upper bracket. Hope he loses and gets pushed back down to where he belongs - LOWER BRACKET.
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Nice, I havnt been to Meltdown for years but if I am free I may go along!
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my message to TSL-9 organizers.
It is very hard to do something.
People who complain in the comments never did anything to realize how hard it is and how easy it is to criticize. I think you managed the situation as well as it could be.
Thank you!
Best!
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@xsnac - it's nothing short of pure EU bias. disgusting
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On August 19 2022 18:55 xsnac wrote:
my message to TSL-9 organizers.
It is very hard to do something.
People who complain in the comments never did anything to realize how hard it is and how easy it is to criticize. I think you managed the situation as well as it could be.
Thank you!
Best!
I mean did they really manage the situation as well as they could have, considering they themselves managed a similar situation not long ago a lot better?
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EPT
