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Code S Season 1 - RO10 groups, map adjustment

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-05 20:17:53
April 05 2022 19:58 GMT
#1
AfreecaTV have announced the groups and schedule for the Code S Round-of-10.

The RO10 is one of the biggest changes to the 2022 season of Code S, pitting players in a round-robin stage similar to the RO24 of IEM Katowice or the RO32 of DHM Europe/Americas. The 1st place players in each group will advance directly to the semifinals (RO4). The 2nd and 3rd place players from each group will compete in a playoff (the "Round-of-6") for the remaining two semifinal spots.

GSL Code S Season 1
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The maps for the RO10 have been changed as follows
  • Golden Wall (returning)
  • Nautilus II (new)
  • Roughneck
  • Berlingrad
  • Blackburn
  • Glittering Ashes
  • Hardwire
    • Pride of Altaris and Curious Minds have been removed

The groups were drawn by placing the players into three pools depending on their their performance in the RO20 of this season (1st place finishers in their groups given priority), 2021 GSL results and 2022 Super Tournament 1 results. It's unclear if it was a random draw from the pools, or fixed placement based on points.
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Tommy131313
Profile Joined May 2016
Germany157 Posts
April 05 2022 20:06 GMT
#2
very thrilled! Round Robin is almost always a guarantee for great competition and exciting matches
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2720 Posts
April 05 2022 20:21 GMT
#3
No group of death, but exciting nonetheless!
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Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
April 05 2022 21:07 GMT
#4
The second coming of Golden Wall! Insane!
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 05 2022 22:43 GMT
#5
New maps (and Golden Wall!)
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
April 05 2022 23:05 GMT
#6
Golden Hype!
Pity Zest didn't make it...watching him fumble on Golden Wall would have been funny
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vyzion
Profile Joined August 2016
308 Posts
April 05 2022 23:33 GMT
#7
Dude the setup and the maps, this is all so hype!
mounteast0
Profile Joined January 2020
59 Posts
April 06 2022 01:36 GMT
#8
Interesting group placement method.

It appears that the tier list is done with whether the player won in the RO20 then arranged by point.

Assume the player won have highest point total and won his RO20 is placed in group A, the second highest player in group B. The player allocation seems to be as followed:

For the players who won the group, the placement is A-> B -> B-> B-> A, then the player on second place go into the group A-> A-> B-> B-> A.

Or may be they just make the tier list then place the players is such a way: A-> B->B->B-> A-> A-> A-> B-> B-> A.

The grouping is still going to be advantageous to the 1st seed player, but probably a bit less advantage than the RO16 grouping method in previous seasons in the sense that the highest seed player would need to face less RO20 group winner but would not just get the bottom 4 as opponent in RO10.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33629 Posts
April 06 2022 02:35 GMT
#9
I'm disappointed they didn't do a mini group selection/draft. Would be easy to do straight-up captain's picks with the #1 seeds picking all the way through, or just doing it the old way where the previously selected players makes the next selection. ABBAABBAAB would prolly be the right order in that kind of draft.
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Telephone
Profile Joined October 2010
United States148 Posts
April 06 2022 02:41 GMT
#10
Isn't Golden Wall ridiculously terran favored due to siege tank pushes across the bottom? Happy to see it back.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
April 06 2022 03:45 GMT
#11
Always nice to see some golden walk action
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3495 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-06 03:47:18
April 06 2022 03:47 GMT
#12
With the way the groups are set up, its definitely heading for a Ro4 of Dark - Rogue - Maru and Trap (if he plays well) which should make everyone happy.
And the change in map pool is nice, seems to be balance enough. At least we dont get to see Maru picking Pride against a Zerg again.
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
April 06 2022 06:26 GMT
#13
Hopefully GSL can break the curse and make a round robin actually interesting.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
April 06 2022 08:34 GMT
#14
Golden Wall is back hahahaha
EEk1TwEEk
Profile Joined June 2017
Russian Federation192 Posts
April 06 2022 09:57 GMT
#15
Bo3, right?
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7247 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-06 11:27:17
April 06 2022 11:24 GMT
#16
Group A
Rogue, Trap, B/Ryun(g)

Group B:
Maru, Dark, no idea. Hopefully herO

Ro6

Rogue
Maru
Trap > herO
Dark > yun

Ro4
Rogue > Dark
Maru > Trap

Ro2
Maru > Rogue

Maru > G5L
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27015 Posts
April 06 2022 14:03 GMT
#17
GOLDEN WALLLLLLL
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27015 Posts
April 06 2022 14:07 GMT
#18
If Trap gets out of groups does he get the Trap AwardTM for 10 consecutive Ro8s or better?

It’s certainly got to be close now? He took the record for consecutive playoffs when TY was still playing iirc
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
April 06 2022 14:09 GMT
#19
I didn't watch much sc2 in 2021. am excited to see why everyone is screaming about Golden Wall :D
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10373 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-08 00:26:01
April 06 2022 20:30 GMT
#20
Wait map changes mid season? Can someone explain this reason for this?
Shouldn't players have much more time to practice than this? Though I guess it's just 1 new map, and 1 was a returning one.

But yeah I'm really excited to see Golden Wall back!! Too bad there's not really any mech Terrans, I would love to see some mech especially TvP on Golden Wall. I'm curious to know why it's back, but I guess they agree it's a great map.

It's nice to have a 4 player map as well!


On April 06 2022 23:09 SHODAN wrote:
I didn't watch much sc2 in 2021. am excited to see why everyone is screaming about Golden Wall :D


Here's a memorable game from a great match between TY and Stats, G4. While it isn't the longest game, you might be able to see the interesting kind of ways games on this map can play out, and how this game might have went on for another 20+ crazy minutes if it were just a little bit closer:


Golden Wall is a very unique map. It allows for many different 3rd bases and expansion paths from there. You can expand forward to take the gold base, expand upwards to go away from your opponent, or take the closed off route along the bottom of the map, or a mix. It's possible for players to play the map taking the same expansion path as well, or different ones, so a match can potentially be top map vs bottom map.

Golden Wall also utilizes something that were very common in BW maps, that are very rare in SC2 maps for some reason that I still don't understand: There are later expansions that are on high ground, or have chokes, or ramps, or a combination. This allows you to defend them easier, or at least make it more cost ineffective for your opponent to attack into. This means that you can spread across the map more while defending with less units, and static defense is more useful when it usually becomes very weak later in the game. Being able to defend easier means players can hold more bases and spread out positions across the map, while not having to dedicate too much supply away from your main army.

This can lead to much more dynamic and interesting games with many attack paths, small battles all over, cutting off reinforcement paths, controlling positions, etc. And the stronger defender's advantage (which is also a bit weak in SC2) means you have to spend a little more effort/creativity trying to slowly dismantle a base's defense, rather than just A moving with a large army, which allows for more interesting back and forth.

The greater defender's advantage on later expansions also helps address another weakness/imperfection of SC2.
Although this depends on the map pool and meta of course, there are many games in GSL in LotV that just end after one big attack. One reason for this is because maps are almost always only 2 player maps now, and with the first 4-5 bases being relatively clumped up and easy to defend. While defender's advantage is something we need more of in SC2, the flaw of closer bases also means that if you are to lose a fight on your side of the map, it often just leads to the game ending immediately. You don't have time to muster a force or counter attack, because all your bases are just grouped up closely and it's easy for the opponent to take them all out at once, or go directly for the heart.

Having maps that rely on incorporating a defender's advantage by having the first 4-5 bases be close and easy to take (and little to no options to take far away bases other than hoping that the opponent doesn't find it), also means that base trade situations are much more common. Because if both player's armies are out of position, they will just go take out all of each other's bases, and in a very 1-dimensional fashion. There isn't much depth here because all the bases are close to each other. Now imagine if it's a map where players have spread out expansions; it allows for much more interaction and strategy in regards to which bases to choke out, and because of the increased distance it takes to take all the bases out, it allows players a chance to re-stabilize, and also allows for plays like intercepting reinforcement paths more.

Who doesn't remember how some of the most epic GSL games were played on huge maps like Tal'Darim Alter, and Calm Before the Storm, which allowed players to restabilize in another corner of the map after losing a quadrant? And how thrilling it was to see so many different attack paths and angles be used throughout the game?

Here's an example game between Creator and MVP, it was just constant fighting and harass all over the map, because the map de-emphasizes attacking with 1 huge army, and allows players many chances to re-stabilize!


Having more spread out bases and expansions also increases the variety of play styles. It's more viable to play a high 90-100 worker econ style, since you have the space and time to muster a new force if you lose a fight somewhere. Counter attacks and launching multiple smaller attacks are also more viable, because you don't have to worry as much about the opponent sending 1 big attack that can choke out all your bases immediately. But maps with closer bases or few options to take far bases mean that both players will be more incentivized to keep more similar worker counts and a more similar army size, to try to avoid losing 1 fight too decisively.

A map like this also increases the viability of mech, and to a lesser degree Terran in general, as they are known to be slightly weak in MUs like TvP lategame due to their slight immobility disadvantage, all while still allowing the map to be large enough to have epic macro games on.

Sorry I just had to write an essay about why Golden Wall is so great - I really do hope that map makers evaluate whether maps need expansions to have such open areas to be attacked, or if they can be playing around with more far away expansion options by incorporating more defender's advantage in the form of high ground, chokes, ramps, etc., which makes games more dynamic, allows more variety in strategy and playstyle, alleviates the issue of weak defender's advantage in SC2 and the 1-dimensional base trade situations, allows mech and positional play to be more viable, helps slow down games so as to not end too quickly and allow players more chance to stabilize and culminate into a greater climax, and allows games to turn more into the "constantly putting fires out all over the map" type of gameplay that people love about BW. (LotV has done a GREAT job of pushing the game a lot more into this direction, heck I far prefer watching LotV to BW now with its gameplay variety, but I think it can be even better with more maps like GW!)
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