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On March 03 2022 15:28 Jockmcplop wrote:
Anyone who is receiving government funding (I don't know if this happens at all in Russia) should have to prove that they have stopped accepting it before being allowed to continue imo.
I like this approach a lot.
I guess since we do not have something like a "Russian eSports Fedaration" that actually nominates and allows players to take part in SC2 Events, our case is different from Football, Olympics etc. (and if such a body exists, it does not have authority over players participating to my knowledge)
I would assume that based on the above, for SC2 I am 70:30 to not ban anyone.
For team leagues, this would be more complicated for me.
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Esports wanted to be taken serious for years, But with that come certain responsibilities. When every regular sport is banning russian teams and players, Esports has to take action aswell. And since ESL already started that process in CS:GO, I can't imagine it won't swap over to other divisions aswell.
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It's one of the stupidest sanctions. I'm betting most athletes aren't fans of Putin or the war. You don't punish an athlete for having far right views but somehow you get to punish them because some dictator in their country does.
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On March 03 2022 15:31 Drahkn wrote:
The whole point behind banning any russians for competing in anything is so they will understand that what their president is doing is unacceptable and the population should do something about it if they want shit to get back to normal
What they will understand is that there's a war going on and we've decided that they are the enemy, without regard for their actual beliefs.
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Hate to see this even being discussed. Let's be real, it's xenophobia and mob mentality. Putin is a tyrant, Russian e-sports players and average citizens have no choice in the matter.
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On March 03 2022 14:37 phodacbiet wrote:
No, I don't think they should ban Russian teams/players. I think sc2 organizers should stay out of politics.
War is NOT politics.
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Canada8989 Posts
On March 03 2022 23:47 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2022 15:31 Drahkn wrote:
The whole point behind banning any russians for competing in anything is so they will understand that what their president is doing is unacceptable and the population should do something about it if they want shit to get back to normal What they will understand is that there's a war going on and we've decided that they are the enemy, without regard for their actual beliefs.
Well that's kind of the point, increase the pressure on the Russian state by making the cost of war as high as possible without using lethal force. It's very much a war-by-other-means that the west is unleashing on Russia in the last few days, and you don't do that without hurting the population in one way or another. And yes it's perfectly indiscriminate upon one belief (although the west has been willing to help Russian political from time to time opponent, so it's at least that).
But if we are doing sanctions, banning esports player and other ceremonial type sanction is pretty much as close as one can get to hurting the states without hurting the population. It's in the realm of diplomatic sanction and should be among the first one enacted.
Maybe it will work, maybe not, but since the dices have already been casted, I feel like esports should follow, better to mount the pressure in little way and work to avoid way more important sanction that could come latter if nothing changes.
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France1660 Posts
Next thread is: Should we ban vodka?
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Canada8989 Posts
On March 04 2022 00:40 iFU.pauline wrote:
Next thread is: Should we ban vodka?
I imagine it's a joke, but it already got banned here 
(Well russian one)
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A player is not guilty to The Grand Leader, Generalissimo F*ckhard's mental, genocidal trips.
Ban the flag and national representativeness.
If Russian leaders are arseholes, that doesn't mean Russian people are that too.
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When France invaded Lybia, when the US invaded Irak and Afghanistan, were players banned?
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Hungary11305 Posts
I think the logic behind sports bans is that all sports are a platform on which you represent more than yourself: you also stand for your country and (often in case of esports) an organization. Competing will make yourself appear in a very positive light and will project this effect on your country/organization. (This also applies to the organizers and is one reason why all sorts of countries with sometimes dubious reputations try to host large sports events). Because of its platform character, sport is never apolitical.
As an organizer, I assume you want to take away this opportunity of positive representation. I suppose you have two choices: treat the exclusion of the athletes as a sad but necessary measure or try to separate the representative side from the individual side (as ESL is trying to do).
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On March 03 2022 18:00 TheCheapSkate wrote:
Was USA banned from sports when they invaded Iraq and killed 1+ million innocent civilians, including women and children? No? Then Russia also shouldn't be. Either be consistent and ban all countries for their atrocities or keep politics out of sports.
Valid point. Russians do not share a collective mind and civilians are not accountable for this. Things have not been going too well for them for a long time..
They will suffer enough for all the trade sanctions.
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Commercial teams in the competitive sport. Untimately it's only about sponsorhips.
Flags and nations are fake representation anyways, when multinational teams compete vs each others, funded by multinational corporations.
Follow the trail of money, and ban accordingly.
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they should ban every team / individual that doesn't make a clear anti-war statement.
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The pro SC2 Russian scene is literally like 5 players. Those of you who advocate that these players should be banned because they should be out resisting the Russian government instead and risk their lives are flat out delusional.
Banning those players would not do anything.
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On March 04 2022 05:21 Hunta15 wrote:
The pro SC2 Russian scene is literally like 5 players. Those of you who advocate that these players should be banned because they should be out resisting the Russian government instead and risk their lives are flat out delusional.
Banning those players would not do anything.
Yeah as if these players have any sway in anything at all. It's ridiculous. Why would we / they / anyone make this political when there's no benefit for any party to do so? It's not like banning the handful of semi-professional players of a mostly defunct scene is going to really change global politics.
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Northern Ireland26224 Posts
The arguments in favour of such a ban, and similar have been pretty articulately made, bar mine.
Argue against them, or don’t, by all means.
It’s fucking ridiculous how many takes are literally things that have already been addressed, and yes there’s plenty of space for disagreement on those terms but it’s just sidestepping points that have already been made.
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For any sane person the answer is obvious - no.
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Ban the Americans for Aggression in Syria, Lybia, Afghanistan, Iraq (and casual bombing of african countries).
Then ban the Saudis for the war in Yemen. Don't forget the israelis for constantly fucking up palistine and bombing Syria at will.
After that... you can ban the russians.
Just don't be hypocritical.
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