After suffering two finals defeats to Maru at ASUS ROG Fall and DHM Winter, Rogue finally had enough. In the grand finals of GSL Super Tournament 3, Rogue defeated his old Jin Air teammate by a 4-3 score, claiming the final GSL championship of 2021.
While Rogue's undefeated streak in offline best-of-sevens may have been broken by Zest in the last Code S tournament, the clutch Super Tournament victory suggests he's still the best player in the format. His record now stands at 12–1—not as imposing as 13–0 would have been, but hugely impressive nonetheless. On the whole, Rogue's strong run with wins over KeeN, Dark, Cure (the reigning Code S champion), and Maru served to reaffirm that he's in tremendous form, and is more than justified in showing so much confidence in his recent interviews.
The grand finals was not quite as cheese-laden as one might expect for a series between two notoriously devious players, though it did feature a handful of Maru's infamous proxy builds. Rogue himself mentioned that he hadn't been able to prepare like he would have in other tournaments, but was happy that his fundamentals saw him through to victory. Indeed, he looked slightly superior in the standard macro games played on the day. After the matches, Rogue was aware of his reputation for falling off after a big win, and used his post-match interview to express his desire to perform well in upcoming events.
Match Recaps
Game 1 - Berlingrad: Maru started the series with his own twist on a Hellbat-Banshee opener, adding a Medivac for an additional harassment threat. While Maru did kill a handful of Drones, Rogue's defensive multitasking was good enough to get him out of the early game in good shape.
It was then Rogue's turn to show off his creativity, going for a frontal attack combined with five drop-Overlords full of Roaches and Queens. The Overlords flew straight over Maru's wall and deposited their deadly cargo on top of Maru's tanks, forcing the GG. [Rogue 1 - 0 Maru]
Game 2 - Blackburn: Maru pulled out a hidden 3-Barracks build (not quite a "proxy" because it didn't really save him much walking time), while Rogue decided to go for a safe, pool-first build after his internal Maru-alarm went off. These openers basically offset each other, and both players simply transitioned into a macro game without engaging in much significant early action.
Having produced some Roaches early to fight Maru's proxy, Rogue continued on into mass Roach-Ravager. Unlike their Code S Season 1 series, however, Rogue couldn't find a way to breach Maru's defenses and put him perpetually off balance. In fact, Maru was ready with a counter-drop the moment his defenses stabilized, landing in the Zerg main and taking out both the Hive and the Lurker Den. With his late game transition ruined, Rogue had no choice but to fight a fully assembled Marine-Marauder-Tank-Liberator force with just Roaches and Ravagers. This went predictably poorly for the Zerg Swarm, and Rogue had to surrender. [Rogue 1 - 1 Maru]
Game 3 - 2000 Atmospheres: Game three saw the game unfold in the most orthodox way thus far, with both players seeming to build up to a standard Bio vs Ling-Bane macro game. However, any anticipation for a back and forth battle were quickly squashed as Maru suffered a series of devastating Ling-Bane runbys as he tried to move out on the map. Things rapidly spiralled out of Maru's control, and he GG'd out to continued waves of Zerglings and Banelings. [Rogue 2 - 1 Maru]
Game 4 - Curious Minds: Maru mixed things up with his expand-into-three-Barracks opener, looking to apply pressure with fast Stim+Shield-upgraded Marines. The situation looked promising for Maru as he had an opportunity to micro his way to a quick victory, but some unfortunately micro against slow-Banelings off Creep saw Rogue crush the Marines and take a solid lead (perhaps it wasn't bad micro per se, but it was a situation where I might expect Clem to focus all the Banelings and win the game).
However, Rogue got a bit too greedy after cleaning up Maru's initial attack, underestimating how quickly Maru could muster another force. The next Terran push with Tanks, Medivacs, and Marines hit just as Rogue was starting to assemble his Hydra-Bane swarm, and before it had significant numbers. Rogue just couldn't gather enough units to mount a credible defense and was forced to GG. [Rogue 2 - 2 Maru]
Game 5 - Hardwire: This game ended up fulfilling the expectations from 2000 Atmospheres, with both players going into the late game safely and having it out in a proper macro showdown. Initially, Rogue seemed to have a significant edge, as Maru couldn't impede Rogue's tech or economy. While Maru is normally great about having Vikings out before Zergs can even think about Nydus-Lurker tactics, Rogue was in a position to strike far earlier than Maru expected and put Lurkers behind enemy lines. Combined with Rogue's frontal attacks, it really seemed like Maru was on the verge of defeat at several moments, but his world-class defense allowed him to survive.
In a slow sequence that we've seen many times before, the momentum started to shift ever so slowly toward Maru's favor with every attack that he held off. Finally, after one too many attacks, the moment came where the viewers suddenly realized that—oh snap!—Rogue was broke and his expansions were drying up. With his window to close the game over, there was no other outcome for Rogue than to type GG after running out of steam. [Rogue 2 - 3 Maru]
Game 6 - Glittering Ashes: Having had success against Solar in the semifinals with mass Drilling Claw-upgraded Mine drops in the mid-game, Maru decided to try that against Rogue as well. While it's virtually impossible to avoid taking any damage from such tactics, Rogue's defense was still far better than Solar's and he made it a net-negative investment for Maru (even getting in some of his own Ling-Bane runbys in the meanwhile). The game went quickly downhill for Maru once he transitioned into bio, as once again, he left himself wide open for Ling-Bane backdoors when his infantry moved out. Similar to the game on 2000 Atmospheres, the backdoor attacks eventually turned into head-on charges that ended the game. [Rogue 3 - 3 Maru]
Game 7 - Pride of Altaris: Maru opened up with a 2-Barracks proxy build which was unfortunately caught by Rogue's first Overlord which chose the perfect flight path. Rogue sent three drones up to harass the SCVs but was unable to stop any of the Barracks from completing. However, he did manage to kill one SCV and get another one down to red health, which basically nullified the threat of a Bunker being built at his natural. Maru had to settle for a toothless 'contain' of Marines outside of Rogue's natural, but Rogue seemed to even anticipate that follow-up by getting fast Zergling speed to swallow up the Marines.
Overall, the early game interactions left Rogue in a fantastic position with a superior economy. Maru almost found a window to deal damage in the mid-game with a Marine-Tank push when Rogue overconfidently fought him off Creep, but he was so far ahead that one poor trade didn't set him back that far. Ultimately, Rogue was able to comfortably set up his economy and production to send endless waves to Zerg toward Maru. This time, even Maru's famed defensive prowess wasn't enough to save him, and he GG'd out to give Rogue the Super Tournament championship. [Rogue 4 - 3 Maru]
Kudos to both of players. This is best final offline series from Rogue since his first victory against herO in 2017. I guess his lack of preparation time accommodates well with how 'satisfying' the series turn out to be.
How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
I will put Serral, Dark, TY, sOs and Zest in similar position together. Each of them already got a world championship title in their final offline series.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
I will put Serral, Dark, TY, sOs and Zest in similar position together. Each of them already got a world championship title in their final offline series.
TY and Zest never won a world championship title IEM wasn't the world championship at the time
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
I will put Serral, Dark, TY, sOs and Zest in similar position together. Each of them already got a world championship title in their final offline series.
TY and Zest never won a world championship title IEM wasn't the world championship at the time
There were two World Championships before, one by IEM and one by Blizzard
Yes, IEM Katowice always been world championship, it just was not equal to BlizzCon. Since it’s handled by ESL it replaced BlizzCon, therefore only 1 world championship is left.
I wish there was a auto-moderation script on this site to warn/temp ban anyone who brings in Serral in threads where it has nothing to do with him. Just a shame to always steal the thunder from what in this case a brilliant performance from Rogue given how ridiculously strong Maru these days are. Unreal grand finals performance from both and holy shit that Rogue offline BO7 power!
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
I will put Serral, Dark, TY, sOs and Zest in similar position together. Each of them already got a world championship title in their final offline series.
TY and Zest never won a world championship title IEM wasn't the world championship at the time
There were two World Championships before, one by IEM and one by Blizzard
You'd think the fact that the name of the tournament was literally IEM Season (insert number) - World Championship would be a giveaway that it's in fact a world championship.
Basically since IEM Katowice was around february and BlizzCon in November, with big patches after BlizzCon, Katowice was the first big test of these new patches and were often less stable than BlizzCon who were played on big patch + several small patches throughout the year to balance things up.
On December 04 2021 21:04 Poopi wrote: Basically since IEM Katowice was around february and BlizzCon in November, with big patches after BlizzCon, Katowice was the first big test of these new patches and were often less stable than BlizzCon who were played on big patch + several small patches throughout the year to balance things up.
like in 2019 for example
Also I think IEM Katowice was the more impressive one to win because the format made it much harder. Blizzcon forced the same number of foreign players as KR players in the ro16 and it had bo3 groupstage (until 2019 I think?). Also sometimes players were locked in by being good in the first half of the year who dropped of by the time Blizzcon came around.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
This is delusional.
Well all I know is maru always said rogue is the best zerg. soo and rogue both say serral. not sure about the rest
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
nah, Serral has won 1 notable tournament this year, Trap, Rogue, and Maru have all won more than he has. This year Serral is not as good as them
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
nah, Serral has won 1 notable tournament this year, Trap, Rogue, and Maru have all won more than he has. This year Serral is not as good as them
It was a highly entertaining series, especially the first game with old school build of drop-overloads of roaches and queens.
Loved how it was back-and-forth as it truly showed the brilliance and peak play of both of the all-time greatest. Congratulations to Rogue, and thank you to both for bringing a high level of play in SC2.
On December 05 2021 13:10 tommey.liang wrote: It was a highly entertaining series, especially the first game with old school build of drop-overloads of roaches and queens.
Loved how it was back-and-forth as it truly showed the brilliance and peak play of both of the all-time greatest. Congratulations to Rogue, and thank you to both for bringing a high level of play in SC2.
Absolutely. I enjoy Rogue's weird blind hard-counter builds, but seeing him win in macro was also impressive.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
This is delusional.
Well all I know is maru always said rogue is the best zerg. soo and rogue both say serral. not sure about the rest
doubt soO has been interviewed in the last couple of months
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
How awesome it is to steal the thread about Rogue Maru by mentioning Serral.
Also it isn't guaranteed that Katowice is the first tournament in person. HSC should run earlier and the "in person" part is in question.
Anyway, Rogue played well, map pool can be better, finally broken the Protoss curse
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
This is delusional.
Well all I know is maru always said rogue is the best zerg. soo and rogue both say serral. not sure about the rest
Really not sure about soO but Rogue always said Serral is the best zerg outside of Korea, but also mentions frequently he wants to assess how good the foreign zergs really are by playing them offline. He still holds Dark and Solar in very high regard.
To sum up, the original post is complete bullcrap.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
This is delusional.
Well all I know is maru always said rogue is the best zerg. soo and rogue both say serral. not sure about the rest
Really not sure about soO but Rogue always said Serral is the best zerg outside of Korea, but also mentions frequently he wants to assess how good the foreign zergs really are by playing them offline. He still holds Dark and Solar in very high regard.
To sum up, the original post is complete bullcrap.
I like how Rogue tries to be humble but he clearly think that he is the best. This differs from Maru who is actually doubting himself, having some sort of impostor syndrome.
Rogue is trying to lift the others "player A is good at that", while Maru is downplaying himself "I think that player will win vs me", "I will struggle vs that".
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
This is delusional.
Well all I know is maru always said rogue is the best zerg. soo and rogue both say serral. not sure about the rest
Really not sure about soO but Rogue always said Serral is the best zerg outside of Korea, but also mentions frequently he wants to assess how good the foreign zergs really are by playing them offline. He still holds Dark and Solar in very high regard.
To sum up, the original post is complete bullcrap.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
How awesome it is to steal the thread about Rogue Maru by mentioning Serral.
Also it isn't guaranteed that Katowice is the first tournament in person. HSC should run earlier and the "in person" part is in question.
Anyway, Rogue played well, map pool can be better, finally broken the Protoss curse
? All I said was I'm super excited for IEM and that the past few months have basically all led to IEM Katowice for various reasons. I also mentioned Serral as a top 3 player but that was pretty much just an aside. It's you guys who quite literally *anytime* you see the word Serral you can't help but comment.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
This is delusional.
Well all I know is maru always said rogue is the best zerg. soo and rogue both say serral. not sure about the rest
Really not sure about soO but Rogue always said Serral is the best zerg outside of Korea, but also mentions frequently he wants to assess how good the foreign zergs really are by playing them offline. He still holds Dark and Solar in very high regard.
To sum up, the original post is complete bullcrap.
On December 06 2021 05:28 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
How awesome it is to steal the thread about Rogue Maru by mentioning Serral.
Also it isn't guaranteed that Katowice is the first tournament in person. HSC should run earlier and the "in person" part is in question.
Anyway, Rogue played well, map pool can be better, finally broken the Protoss curse
? All I said was I'm super excited for IEM and that the past few months have basically all led to IEM Katowice for various reasons. I also mentioned Serral as a top 3 player but that was pretty much just an aside. It's you guys who quite literally *anytime* you see the word Serral you can't help but comment.
Maybe check who replied with the word Serral before us on the first page. There's like 5 posts after yours with this string in it.
So... nah.
Edit> and it continues in here. C'mon.
Sure but you quoted *only* my post and complained about me particularly "stealing the thread"
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
Is Serral better than Dark? While he's likely in better form currently he's also had an objectively worse year overall than Trap or Reynor.
The players have been interviewed in several tournaments over the last couple of months and the topics of best player in the world and best player of a race is often mentioned. Based on what I have managed to hear the most frequent answers of best Zerg and best player (from Korean players' answers) is Serral. Rogue and Maru are #2 and #3 respectively for best player. Koreans still hold Serral in high regard. Trap, Rogue and Reynor were the Korean top earlier in the year but Serral reclaimed #1 in the world during the year even if he seldom got 1st place in tournaments.
I like to think that the pro players of Korea can be trusted for form when they name non-Koreans as better than them, especially if they aren't currently playing in the tournament.
Koreans think Serral is great. That is good enough for me. Aligulac also thinks Serral is top 3, so that's a bonus.
This is delusional.
Well all I know is maru always said rogue is the best zerg. soo and rogue both say serral. not sure about the rest
Really not sure about soO but Rogue always said Serral is the best zerg outside of Korea, but also mentions frequently he wants to assess how good the foreign zergs really are by playing them offline. He still holds Dark and Solar in very high regard.
To sum up, the original post is complete bullcrap.
On December 04 2021 13:17 Pandain wrote: How awesome it is that Katowice is (1) first tournament back in person; (2) of course the biggest tournament of the year; and (3) is likely going to decide the $1M question - with the three best players in the world Rogue, Maru, and Serral duking it out for that milestone (in addition to ultimate victory)
How awesome it is to steal the thread about Rogue Maru by mentioning Serral.
Also it isn't guaranteed that Katowice is the first tournament in person. HSC should run earlier and the "in person" part is in question.
Anyway, Rogue played well, map pool can be better, finally broken the Protoss curse
? All I said was I'm super excited for IEM and that the past few months have basically all led to IEM Katowice for various reasons. I also mentioned Serral as a top 3 player but that was pretty much just an aside. It's you guys who quite literally *anytime* you see the word Serral you can't help but comment.
Maybe check who replied with the word Serral before us on the first page. There's like 5 posts after yours with this string in it.
It was a really great finals to watch, so happy I got to stay up and watch this live!
The form of both players was amazing. Rogue's macro was so explosive and crazy. SC2 is getting cooler and cooler to watch! That g5 was so freaking back and forth, multiple fights happening at the same time all over the map, lots of small forces moving around and intercepting other forces. This is the kind of action LotV strove to have more of, and it really succeeded! I was so devastated and worried after seeing Rogue lose that game after such a grueling and long game. Thankfully progamers have amazing mindsets and he came back from 2-3 and won the next 2 games!
This win definitely strengthens Rogue's argument as #2 GOAT over Innovation (though I think it's still arguable Innovation is #2). And it brings Rogue closer to matching or topping Maru as #1!
Finished the vods finally - another great final and always a pleasure to watch the best in the world battle it out! Game 7 could have been closer but having the proxy scouted and getting all the marines caught retreating was the beginning of the end. GGs
EPT
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