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On September 09 2021 06:07 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2021 05:30 NonY wrote:
i think it's important for blizzard to do it because they said they'd do it. it'd be a huge hit to blizzard's reputation if they ended sc2 with this broken commitment. While I feel that a patch is needed for SC2's sake, as a fan of SC2, I'm not sure about this one  For Blizzard as a whole, it'd be like an ice-lolly in an avalanche at this point.
idk what has made you give blizz so much good will that they could break this commitment and you dont think it'd be a huge hit to their reputation. the more blizzard game communities i'm involved in, the more i learn about some disappointing things
it doesnt have to be much. just some tweaks that nerf the most popular things right now. some people have some great ideas on more drastic redesigns but that takes a lot more work for them to think about all the possible ramifications. they just gotta throw a bone to fulfill their commitment
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On September 10 2021 04:23 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2021 06:07 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On September 09 2021 05:30 NonY wrote:
i think it's important for blizzard to do it because they said they'd do it. it'd be a huge hit to blizzard's reputation if they ended sc2 with this broken commitment. While I feel that a patch is needed for SC2's sake, as a fan of SC2, I'm not sure about this one For Blizzard as a whole, it'd be like an ice-lolly in an avalanche at this point. idk what has made you give blizz so much good will that they could break this commitment and you dont think it'd be a huge hit to their reputation. the more blizzard game communities i'm involved in, the more i learn about some disappointing things it doesnt have to be much. just some tweaks that nerf the most popular things right now. some people have some great ideas on more drastic redesigns but that takes a lot more work for them to think about all the possible ramifications. they just gotta throw a bone to fulfill their commitment
I just don’t think blizzard cares about Starcraft or rts anymore.
As for protecting their reputation, with all the other stuff going on with blizzard patching sc2 would be like trying to bale water from a cruise ship with a bucket.
Don’t get me wrong I think the game needs a patch but I don’t think blizzard will do anything. Maybe if we are lucky esl or some esports org will give us new maps and patches, and blizzard will let them but i don’t think that is to likely either.
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On September 10 2021 04:23 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2021 06:07 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On September 09 2021 05:30 NonY wrote:
i think it's important for blizzard to do it because they said they'd do it. it'd be a huge hit to blizzard's reputation if they ended sc2 with this broken commitment. While I feel that a patch is needed for SC2's sake, as a fan of SC2, I'm not sure about this one For Blizzard as a whole, it'd be like an ice-lolly in an avalanche at this point. idk what has made you give blizz so much good will that they could break this commitment and you dont think it'd be a huge hit to their reputation. the more blizzard game communities i'm involved in, the more i learn about some disappointing things it doesnt have to be much. just some tweaks that nerf the most popular things right now. some people have some great ideas on more drastic redesigns but that takes a lot more work for them to think about all the possible ramifications. they just gotta throw a bone to fulfill their commitment
What reputation at this point?
Aside from other non-game related controversies, I don’t really care for Diablo but 3 seemed to put a lot of noses out of joint. SC:Remastered wasn’t terrible, equally it’s in pretty stark contrast in areas to the care given to the last AoE2 effort.
Warcraft Reforged was such an unmitigated clusterfuck, which was one of my favourite games ever and I still haven’t played it. Indeed I can’t even play my old, retail version.
If you were to ask me the same question a decade ago I’d have been pretty confident Blizz would still touch up SC2 from time to time, even if not wholesale they had such a good record in maintaining their games.
Now it would be a nice bonus but one I’m treating very much a as a hope and not an expectation.
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On September 10 2021 04:49 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2021 04:23 NonY wrote:On September 09 2021 06:07 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On September 09 2021 05:30 NonY wrote:
i think it's important for blizzard to do it because they said they'd do it. it'd be a huge hit to blizzard's reputation if they ended sc2 with this broken commitment. While I feel that a patch is needed for SC2's sake, as a fan of SC2, I'm not sure about this one For Blizzard as a whole, it'd be like an ice-lolly in an avalanche at this point. idk what has made you give blizz so much good will that they could break this commitment and you dont think it'd be a huge hit to their reputation. the more blizzard game communities i'm involved in, the more i learn about some disappointing things it doesnt have to be much. just some tweaks that nerf the most popular things right now. some people have some great ideas on more drastic redesigns but that takes a lot more work for them to think about all the possible ramifications. they just gotta throw a bone to fulfill their commitment What reputation at this point?
that they'll provide updates to games they say they'll provide updates for. or even more generally that if they say they'll do something, they'll do it. i feel like im being gaslit about the concept of a reputation lol. i thought what i was saying was obvious even though no one had said it yet, that everyone would agree with it
reputation: a widespread belief that someone or something has a particular habit or characteristic
i dont know of them having a reputation for breaking commitments about what games they'll support but it's important to their business that their customers believe them when they say they'll support a game. if they break this commitment, then i think it's a big deal for their reputation in this regard
like you guys realize that there are dozens of people whose careers depend on the health of the competitive sc2 scene? and last october blizz said that everything pertinent to their careers that blizzard has been doing they'll continue to do? and now if they just dont do it, i dont see how you guys dont think that's a big deal and shouldn't be considered a huge hit to their reputation by the community at large. you cant just create an esport that people base their careers on and say you'll continue to support the game and then just stop. that's a massive scumbag move to the people who might have chosen to move on from a game that the developer is going to let die
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On September 10 2021 05:25 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2021 04:49 WombaT wrote:On September 10 2021 04:23 NonY wrote:On September 09 2021 06:07 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On September 09 2021 05:30 NonY wrote:
i think it's important for blizzard to do it because they said they'd do it. it'd be a huge hit to blizzard's reputation if they ended sc2 with this broken commitment. While I feel that a patch is needed for SC2's sake, as a fan of SC2, I'm not sure about this one For Blizzard as a whole, it'd be like an ice-lolly in an avalanche at this point. idk what has made you give blizz so much good will that they could break this commitment and you dont think it'd be a huge hit to their reputation. the more blizzard game communities i'm involved in, the more i learn about some disappointing things it doesnt have to be much. just some tweaks that nerf the most popular things right now. some people have some great ideas on more drastic redesigns but that takes a lot more work for them to think about all the possible ramifications. they just gotta throw a bone to fulfill their commitment What reputation at this point? that they'll provide updates to games they say they'll provide updates for. or even more generally that if they say they'll do something, they'll do it. i feel like im being gaslit about the concept of a reputation lol. i thought what i was saying was obvious even though no one had said it yet, that everyone would agree with it reputation: a widespread belief that someone or something has a particular habit or characteristici dont know of them having a reputation for breaking commitments about what games they'll support but it's important to their business that their customers believe them when they say they'll support a game. if they break this commitment, then i think it's a big deal for their reputation in this regard like you guys realize that there are dozens of people whose careers depend on the health of the competitive sc2 scene? and last october blizz said that everything pertinent to their careers that blizzard has been doing they'll continue to do? and now if they just dont do it, i dont see how you guys dont think that's a big deal and shouldn't be considered a huge hit to their reputation by the community at large. you cant just create an esport that people base their careers on and say you'll continue to support the game and then just stop. that's a massive scumbag move to the people who might have chosen to move on from a game that the developer is going to let die
Esports careers don’t last. Especially not in SC2. Eventually every player’s career will come to an end or they’ll have to move onto other games.
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On September 10 2021 04:23 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2021 06:07 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On September 09 2021 05:30 NonY wrote:
i think it's important for blizzard to do it because they said they'd do it. it'd be a huge hit to blizzard's reputation if they ended sc2 with this broken commitment. While I feel that a patch is needed for SC2's sake, as a fan of SC2, I'm not sure about this one For Blizzard as a whole, it'd be like an ice-lolly in an avalanche at this point. idk what has made you give blizz so much good will that they could break this commitment and you dont think it'd be a huge hit to their reputation. the more blizzard game communities i'm involved in, the more i learn about some disappointing things it doesnt have to be much. just some tweaks that nerf the most popular things right now. some people have some great ideas on more drastic redesigns but that takes a lot more work for them to think about all the possible ramifications. they just gotta throw a bone to fulfill their commitment
It wouldn't be a huge hit to their rep because:
1) Very few people, comparatively, care about SC2.
2) For the same reason an unpaid parking ticket doesn't affect the reputation of a convicted murderer.
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On September 10 2021 05:25 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2021 04:49 WombaT wrote:On September 10 2021 04:23 NonY wrote:On September 09 2021 06:07 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On September 09 2021 05:30 NonY wrote:
i think it's important for blizzard to do it because they said they'd do it. it'd be a huge hit to blizzard's reputation if they ended sc2 with this broken commitment. While I feel that a patch is needed for SC2's sake, as a fan of SC2, I'm not sure about this one For Blizzard as a whole, it'd be like an ice-lolly in an avalanche at this point. idk what has made you give blizz so much good will that they could break this commitment and you dont think it'd be a huge hit to their reputation. the more blizzard game communities i'm involved in, the more i learn about some disappointing things it doesnt have to be much. just some tweaks that nerf the most popular things right now. some people have some great ideas on more drastic redesigns but that takes a lot more work for them to think about all the possible ramifications. they just gotta throw a bone to fulfill their commitment What reputation at this point? that they'll provide updates to games they say they'll provide updates for. or even more generally that if they say they'll do something, they'll do it. i feel like im being gaslit about the concept of a reputation lol. i thought what i was saying was obvious even though no one had said it yet, that everyone would agree with it reputation: a widespread belief that someone or something has a particular habit or characteristici dont know of them having a reputation for breaking commitments about what games they'll support but it's important to their business that their customers believe them when they say they'll support a game. if they break this commitment, then i think it's a big deal for their reputation in this regard like you guys realize that there are dozens of people whose careers depend on the health of the competitive sc2 scene? and last october blizz said that everything pertinent to their careers that blizzard has been doing they'll continue to do? and now if they just dont do it, i dont see how you guys dont think that's a big deal and shouldn't be considered a huge hit to their reputation by the community at large. you cant just create an esport that people base their careers on and say you'll continue to support the game and then just stop. that's a massive scumbag move to the people who might have chosen to move on from a game that the developer is going to let die
My point is merely that Blizzard has far less at stake because reputationally they’ve already taken so many hits. Yes the community will be pissed off if such a move happens, but surprised or earnestly disappointed?
SC:R still isn’t feature complete, hell there are even novel bugs. Warcraft Reforged is missing more features from the original than it has. Co-op has been a popular mode for many in SC2 and it got shelved, etc etc.
They did also pull the rug out from their Heroes of the Storm eSports scene. It’s not like there isn’t precedent in that regard either.
I’m unsure what facet of this base argument constitutes gaslighting.
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look if you have some other colloquial understanding of what reputation means, then i guess im the odd one out here. the way i understand it is it's about specifics and when i googled the definition, the first result justified my understanding of it. again:
a widespread belief that someone or something has a particular habit or characteristic
a PARTICULAR habit or characteristic. it's not some general thing where you aggregate all the things you know about someone or something and give them a score, with a positive score meaning they have a good reputation and a negative score meaning they have a bad reputation. they can have a reputation for doing particular things or behaving particular ways. as far as i know they do not have a reputation for doing this. if they fail to deliver a patch, then in my estimation of them i will think of them as having a reputation for either lying or breaking commitments about supporting games. bringing up the DFEH law suit / unsafe workplace issues, or the bad job they did with remakes, or whatever else, has nothing to do with if they are known or not known to say "we are going to support this game" and then not support it.
using the concept of a reputation to just tally good things and bad things and then saying they have a reputation for doing good things or a reputation for doing bad things is a pretty impotent use of the concept that'd be confusing to anyone who has used it to illuminate particular and specific things
it's bizarre to somehow connect their penchant for one thing to their penchant for doing a completely different thing just because both of those things are considered bad behavior
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All I want is to patch out offensive shield batteries. No matter how used are they. And gimme the option to turn off the chat on ladder (not a balance patch per se )
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On September 10 2021 05:25 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2021 04:49 WombaT wrote:On September 10 2021 04:23 NonY wrote:On September 09 2021 06:07 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On September 09 2021 05:30 NonY wrote:
i think it's important for blizzard to do it because they said they'd do it. it'd be a huge hit to blizzard's reputation if they ended sc2 with this broken commitment. While I feel that a patch is needed for SC2's sake, as a fan of SC2, I'm not sure about this one For Blizzard as a whole, it'd be like an ice-lolly in an avalanche at this point. idk what has made you give blizz so much good will that they could break this commitment and you dont think it'd be a huge hit to their reputation. the more blizzard game communities i'm involved in, the more i learn about some disappointing things it doesnt have to be much. just some tweaks that nerf the most popular things right now. some people have some great ideas on more drastic redesigns but that takes a lot more work for them to think about all the possible ramifications. they just gotta throw a bone to fulfill their commitment What reputation at this point? that they'll provide updates to games they say they'll provide updates for. or even more generally that if they say they'll do something, they'll do it. i feel like im being gaslit about the concept of a reputation lol. i thought what i was saying was obvious even though no one had said it yet, that everyone would agree with it reputation: a widespread belief that someone or something has a particular habit or characteristici dont know of them having a reputation for breaking commitments about what games they'll support but it's important to their business that their customers believe them when they say they'll support a game. if they break this commitment, then i think it's a big deal for their reputation in this regard like you guys realize that there are dozens of people whose careers depend on the health of the competitive sc2 scene? and last october blizz said that everything pertinent to their careers that blizzard has been doing they'll continue to do? and now if they just dont do it, i dont see how you guys dont think that's a big deal and shouldn't be considered a huge hit to their reputation by the community at large. you cant just create an esport that people base their careers on and say you'll continue to support the game and then just stop. that's a massive scumbag move to the people who might have chosen to move on from a game that the developer is going to let die
Nony, didn't they literally do that in heroes of the storm?
They told us in Novemeber HGC would continue. Then December comes and it's cancelled and all the pros, staff, writers, ended up without a job. TL had literally invested quite a bit (relatively of course) in purchasing masterleague.net and hiring programers to make it something better, and then they announced that it was gone.
...Then again, Heroes of the Storm was patched like 2 weeks ago with balance changes, and they did release some new skins like 1-2 months ago, so it's not completely abandoned.
I do think there might be another patch though, as they have commitments with both ESL and GSL, which are external companies. Whereas HGC was an in-house production.
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On September 08 2021 06:41 91matt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2021 06:23 freelifeffs wrote:
this is gonna be an unpopular opinion but zerg suffers. zerg is just getting rekt unless its serral, reynor, dark or rogue. pick any random spot in gm or even master if you want and chances are very high that this guy has by far the best winrate against zerg. just humor yourself and try it. it took me 11 random profile openings until i found someone for whom it wasnt the case. doesnt matter if terran or protoss btw. last time i checked rankedftw (why is it down btw?) zerg percentage in gm and master was around 20%. dont think any race has ever been this low. pretty much every tournament zerg gets rekt before the ro8. so yes i believe we need a balance patch. not only because of balance because sure, the top zergs are still winning stuff sometimes, but more because of fun. playing sc2 is not fun atm when you are zerg. its a miserable experience. legit miserable. i was consistently at 5400k mmr for the past 3 years. since that patch some seasons ago i struggle to reach 4900. its painful.
now go ahead and flame me. i probably deserve it lol zvt is really hard on this map pool/patch, overall its a good matchup but very hard. zvp protoss players are basically playing single player at this point, they don't have to scout/worry about much except queen walks, and if you're not a top player its very hard to not just get rolled over by air units. It honestly looks pathetic when someone tries an early game all in on a protoss, how easy it is to hold it. playing zerg is absolute misery you're 100% right, there won't be many z players left if they don't patch something
I totally agree, though it might be worth trying a new and better balanced map pool first, before you start messing around with complex unit balancing.
Maybe it's just a feeling, that zerg is kinda the new terran... incredibly high potential, but incredibly hard to use it to a full extent
#playlikereynor
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this topic is like beating a dead horse, blizzard doesnt care.
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On September 10 2021 10:35 [Phantom] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2021 05:25 NonY wrote:On September 10 2021 04:49 WombaT wrote:On September 10 2021 04:23 NonY wrote:On September 09 2021 06:07 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On September 09 2021 05:30 NonY wrote:
i think it's important for blizzard to do it because they said they'd do it. it'd be a huge hit to blizzard's reputation if they ended sc2 with this broken commitment. While I feel that a patch is needed for SC2's sake, as a fan of SC2, I'm not sure about this one For Blizzard as a whole, it'd be like an ice-lolly in an avalanche at this point. idk what has made you give blizz so much good will that they could break this commitment and you dont think it'd be a huge hit to their reputation. the more blizzard game communities i'm involved in, the more i learn about some disappointing things it doesnt have to be much. just some tweaks that nerf the most popular things right now. some people have some great ideas on more drastic redesigns but that takes a lot more work for them to think about all the possible ramifications. they just gotta throw a bone to fulfill their commitment What reputation at this point? that they'll provide updates to games they say they'll provide updates for. or even more generally that if they say they'll do something, they'll do it. i feel like im being gaslit about the concept of a reputation lol. i thought what i was saying was obvious even though no one had said it yet, that everyone would agree with it reputation: a widespread belief that someone or something has a particular habit or characteristici dont know of them having a reputation for breaking commitments about what games they'll support but it's important to their business that their customers believe them when they say they'll support a game. if they break this commitment, then i think it's a big deal for their reputation in this regard like you guys realize that there are dozens of people whose careers depend on the health of the competitive sc2 scene? and last october blizz said that everything pertinent to their careers that blizzard has been doing they'll continue to do? and now if they just dont do it, i dont see how you guys dont think that's a big deal and shouldn't be considered a huge hit to their reputation by the community at large. you cant just create an esport that people base their careers on and say you'll continue to support the game and then just stop. that's a massive scumbag move to the people who might have chosen to move on from a game that the developer is going to let die Nony, didn't they literally do that in heroes of the storm?
they have gone out of their way to tell the public something and then failed to deliver or broken the commitment. i think they've done it a lot. for heroes and sc2 they are both the developer and the entity running tournaments. for heroes they abruptly stopped the tournaments and continued to develop the game. for sc2 they have abruptly stopped developing the game
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On September 10 2021 15:27 Riner1212 wrote:
this topic is like beating a dead horse, blizzard doesnt care.
Unfortunately nothing has been done by Blizzard to make me think anything else.
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On September 10 2021 08:51 deacon.frost wrote:All I want is to patch out offensive shield batteries. No matter how used are they. And gimme the option to turn off the chat on ladder (not a balance patch per se )
Pretty sure there is a way to do this.
Under parental setting there should be a way to turn off chat.
It means you won't be able to see what your teammates or opponents type and they won't see what you type.
You can still see each other's pings though.
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On September 10 2021 14:16 Tommy131313 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2021 06:41 91matt wrote:On September 08 2021 06:23 freelifeffs wrote:
this is gonna be an unpopular opinion but zerg suffers. zerg is just getting rekt unless its serral, reynor, dark or rogue. pick any random spot in gm or even master if you want and chances are very high that this guy has by far the best winrate against zerg. just humor yourself and try it. it took me 11 random profile openings until i found someone for whom it wasnt the case. doesnt matter if terran or protoss btw. last time i checked rankedftw (why is it down btw?) zerg percentage in gm and master was around 20%. dont think any race has ever been this low. pretty much every tournament zerg gets rekt before the ro8. so yes i believe we need a balance patch. not only because of balance because sure, the top zergs are still winning stuff sometimes, but more because of fun. playing sc2 is not fun atm when you are zerg. its a miserable experience. legit miserable. i was consistently at 5400k mmr for the past 3 years. since that patch some seasons ago i struggle to reach 4900. its painful.
now go ahead and flame me. i probably deserve it lol zvt is really hard on this map pool/patch, overall its a good matchup but very hard. zvp protoss players are basically playing single player at this point, they don't have to scout/worry about much except queen walks, and if you're not a top player its very hard to not just get rolled over by air units. It honestly looks pathetic when someone tries an early game all in on a protoss, how easy it is to hold it. playing zerg is absolute misery you're 100% right, there won't be many z players left if they don't patch something I totally agree, though it might be worth trying a new and better balanced map pool first, before you start messing around with complex unit balancing. Maybe it's just a feeling, that zerg is kinda the new terran... incredibly high potential, but incredibly hard to use it to a full extent #playlikereynor
Reynor 28:45 Clem in this meta
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On September 11 2021 05:05 yuisaka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2021 14:16 Tommy131313 wrote:On September 08 2021 06:41 91matt wrote:On September 08 2021 06:23 freelifeffs wrote:
this is gonna be an unpopular opinion but zerg suffers. zerg is just getting rekt unless its serral, reynor, dark or rogue. pick any random spot in gm or even master if you want and chances are very high that this guy has by far the best winrate against zerg. just humor yourself and try it. it took me 11 random profile openings until i found someone for whom it wasnt the case. doesnt matter if terran or protoss btw. last time i checked rankedftw (why is it down btw?) zerg percentage in gm and master was around 20%. dont think any race has ever been this low. pretty much every tournament zerg gets rekt before the ro8. so yes i believe we need a balance patch. not only because of balance because sure, the top zergs are still winning stuff sometimes, but more because of fun. playing sc2 is not fun atm when you are zerg. its a miserable experience. legit miserable. i was consistently at 5400k mmr for the past 3 years. since that patch some seasons ago i struggle to reach 4900. its painful.
now go ahead and flame me. i probably deserve it lol zvt is really hard on this map pool/patch, overall its a good matchup but very hard. zvp protoss players are basically playing single player at this point, they don't have to scout/worry about much except queen walks, and if you're not a top player its very hard to not just get rolled over by air units. It honestly looks pathetic when someone tries an early game all in on a protoss, how easy it is to hold it. playing zerg is absolute misery you're 100% right, there won't be many z players left if they don't patch something I totally agree, though it might be worth trying a new and better balanced map pool first, before you start messing around with complex unit balancing. Maybe it's just a feeling, that zerg is kinda the new terran... incredibly high potential, but incredibly hard to use it to a full extent #playlikereynor Reynor 28:45 Clem in this meta
Clem is superior in the match up, I think that's pretty self evident at this point.
I don't think there needs to be a balance patch as in balance is bad, it's more ZvP meta then anything that's the issue right now. I know PvT has some stupid stuff going on as well with proxy nonsense.
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Make shield battery only buildable near a nexus,its not OP its just bad game design and 10 proxied batteries just looks silly. other then that dont touch protoss its still the weakest race at pro level. Here is to hoping blizzard wont listen to you terran and zerg crybabies all over again and make stupid balance changes ( just look what blizz did to the game thanks to your QQ during HOTS) It's just like an annoying hero everyone hates in LoL, its good vs worse players but once you get to a high skill level the hero is complete garbage, just like protoss is. Sadly Blizzard likes to make balance changes based on QQ twitch chat and pro gamers balance whining.
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On September 11 2021 06:54 Drahkn wrote:
Make shield battery only buildable near a nexus,its not OP its just bad game design and 10 proxied batteries just looks silly. other then that dont touch protoss its still the weakest race at pro level. Here is to hoping blizzard wont listen to you terran and zerg crybabies all over again and make stupid balance changes ( just look what blizz did to the game thanks to your QQ during HOTS) It's just like an annoying hero everyone hates in LoL, its good vs worse players but once you get to a high skill level the hero is complete garbage, just like protoss is. Sadly Blizzard likes to make balance changes based on QQ twitch chat and pro gamers balance whining.
its still the weakest race at pro level with more than 53% win rates vZ and T for months?Thats weak,because protoss cant instant win the game
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