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On December 15 2020 01:01 Xain0n wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2020 05:46 Serimek wrote:Some time ago, I spent time counting final appearances and gold medals in Premier Tournaments according to this page (Premier in Liquipedia) (not including Team League tournaments). The post was in a topic, but I post it here again so it's easier to find for someone wanting the stats. So here we go! Starting with all the players above 10 final appearances :19 =  Serral16 =  MC15 = Stats14 = Dark,  INnoVation, Life13 = TaeJa, Maru, Polt, MMA12 = soO, PartinG11 = Mvp, Reynor, Solar, sOs10 = Zest, herO (not LiquidHerO) And here are ALL the gold medals in Premier :13 = Serral11 = TaeJa10 = INnoVation, Life9 = MMA, Mvp, Maru8 = Polt7 = Rogue6 = Reynor, Neeb, MC, Zest5 = herO, LiquidHerO, Classic, Dark, Stats, Rain, Bomber, sOs, Solar4 = TY, Leenock, PartinG, Stephano3 = NesTea, PuMa, HuK, DongRaeGu, ByuN, Nerchio, soO2 = Scarlett, Hydra, Harstem, Jaedong, Snute, StarDust, Soulkey, Dear, HyuN, MaNa, Creator, viOLet, ThorZaIN, IdrA, Trap1 = MorroW, FruitDealer, Fenix (Peruvian), Genius, Jinro, Naama, SjoW, Ret, NaNiwa, White-Ra, DIMAGA, jjakji, MarineKing, aLive, Seed, Sniper, Sting, First, YoDa, RorO, Revival, duckdeok, San, Pigbaby, TRUE, Sacsri, Sen, Flash, GuMiho, Elazer ForGG, Lilbow, Curious, PtitDrogo, ShoWTimE, Clem, Astrea, uThermalA recap of Gold medals sorted by race :ALL TIME:ZERG: 93 V (35.77%) TERRAN: 88 V (33.85%) PROTOSS: 79 V (30.38%) Legacy of the Void:ZERG : 42 V (46.67%) TERRAN : 25 V (27.78%) PROTOSS : 23 V (25.56%) Heart of the Swarm:ZERG : 22 V (26.83%) TERRAN : 29 V (35.36%) PROTOSS : 31 V (37.80%) Wings of Liberty:ZERG : 29 V (32.95%) TERRAN : 34 V (38.64%) PROTOSS : 25 V (28.41%) Finally, a recap of Gold medals sorted by countries :ALL TIME:Korea : 208 V (80%) Finland : 14 V (5.38%) USA : 9 V (3.46%) France : 7 V (2.69%) Poland, Sweden and Italy : 6 V (2.31%) Canada : 5 V (1.92%) Ukraine and Netherlands : 3 V (1.15%) Norway : 2 V (0.78%) Germany, Taiwan and Peru : 1 V (0.38%) Legacy of the Void:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Finland : 13 V (14.44%) USA : 7 V (7.78%) Italy : 6 V (6.67%) Netherlands : 3 V (3.33%) Canada, Poland and France : 2 V (2.22%) Germany and Norway : 1 V (1.11%) Heart of the Swarm:Korea : 80 V (97.56%) Taiwan and France : 1 V (1.22%) Wings of Liberty:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Sweden : 6 V (6.82%) Poland and France : 4 V (4.55%) Canada : 3 V (3.41%) USA and Ukraine : 2 V (2.27%) Norway, Finland and Peru : 1 V (1.14%) Note 1: MorroW was playing Terran when he won a Premier and switched to Protoss way later. Note 2: Up-to-date since 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 (12/12/20) Just a couple of things: Korea in LoTV is at 71.11%(64/90), MarineKing won two MLG which means that he has two Premier titles, MorroW played Zerg after Terran(and before Protoss). Scarlett and Mana are the first generation pros who reached a Premier final in LoTV as well and are still active. Nerchio and Snute reached finals in LoTV but recently retired while Stephano and Dimaga are still playing but they haven't been able to reach finals again(with Stephano actually playing at a good level and going as far as ro8 in WCS Fall 2019 whereas Dimaga's best result in seven years has been a first round exit at HSC's groupstage). Ah, and under "statistics" on Liquipedia sc2, at the bottom of the page, there is a link to the list of the players who have won the most Majors: as expected, Neeb and Special dominate with 20 each.
Thank you Xain0n. I've corrected the OP.
To all criticizing the very concept of "Premier", I, as you can see some post above, is the first one to recognize that it is not a well tailored concept to grasp the best/more important tournaments: some majors are more important, all premiers are not equal. But I never pretend to write stats about the most important tournament.
My English is probably a bit to weak to participate in a discussion about Premier, but I wish such a conversation occur so that Liquipedians find better criteria in order to have a simple equation: Premier tournament = best/most important/most prestigious tournament.
I was thinking about that reading your comments actually and I do wonder if it would be feasible to assign a value to each tournament using the pool of players' Aligulac rating at the time of the tournament or something like that among the criteria.
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On December 15 2020 01:47 SmoKim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2020 01:01 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:46 Serimek wrote:Some time ago, I spent time counting final appearances and gold medals in Premier Tournaments according to this page (Premier in Liquipedia) (not including Team League tournaments). The post was in a topic, but I post it here again so it's easier to find for someone wanting the stats. So here we go! Starting with all the players above 10 final appearances :19 = Serral16 = MC15 = Stats14 = Dark, INnoVation, Life13 = TaeJa, Maru, Polt, MMA12 = soO, PartinG11 = Mvp, Reynor, Solar, sOs10 = Zest, herO (not LiquidHerO) And here are ALL the gold medals in Premier :13 = Serral11 = TaeJa10 = INnoVation, Life9 = MMA, Mvp, Maru8 = Polt7 = Rogue6 = Reynor, Neeb, MC, Zest5 = herO, LiquidHerO, Classic, Dark, Stats, Rain, Bomber, sOs, Solar4 = TY, Leenock, PartinG, Stephano3 = NesTea, PuMa, HuK, DongRaeGu, ByuN, Nerchio, soO2 = Scarlett, Hydra, Harstem, Jaedong, Snute, StarDust, Soulkey, Dear, HyuN, MaNa, Creator, viOLet, ThorZaIN, IdrA, Trap1 = MorroW, FruitDealer, Fenix (Peruvian), Genius, Jinro, Naama, SjoW, Ret, NaNiwa, White-Ra, DIMAGA, jjakji, MarineKing, aLive, Seed, Sniper, Sting, First, YoDa, RorO, Revival, duckdeok, San, Pigbaby, TRUE, Sacsri, Sen, Flash, GuMiho, Elazer ForGG, Lilbow, Curious, PtitDrogo, ShoWTimE, Clem, Astrea, uThermalA recap of Gold medals sorted by race :ALL TIME:ZERG: 93 V (35.77%) TERRAN: 88 V (33.85%) PROTOSS: 79 V (30.38%) Legacy of the Void:ZERG : 42 V (46.67%) TERRAN : 25 V (27.78%) PROTOSS : 23 V (25.56%) Heart of the Swarm:ZERG : 22 V (26.83%) TERRAN : 29 V (35.36%) PROTOSS : 31 V (37.80%) Wings of Liberty:ZERG : 29 V (32.95%) TERRAN : 34 V (38.64%) PROTOSS : 25 V (28.41%) Finally, a recap of Gold medals sorted by countries :ALL TIME:Korea : 208 V (80%) Finland : 14 V (5.38%) USA : 9 V (3.46%) France : 7 V (2.69%) Poland, Sweden and Italy : 6 V (2.31%) Canada : 5 V (1.92%) Ukraine and Netherlands : 3 V (1.15%) Norway : 2 V (0.78%) Germany, Taiwan and Peru : 1 V (0.38%) Legacy of the Void:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Finland : 13 V (14.44%) USA : 7 V (7.78%) Italy : 6 V (6.67%) Netherlands : 3 V (3.33%) Canada, Poland and France : 2 V (2.22%) Germany and Norway : 1 V (1.11%) Heart of the Swarm:Korea : 80 V (97.56%) Taiwan and France : 1 V (1.22%) Wings of Liberty:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Sweden : 6 V (6.82%) Poland and France : 4 V (4.55%) Canada : 3 V (3.41%) USA and Ukraine : 2 V (2.27%) Norway, Finland and Peru : 1 V (1.14%) Note 1: MorroW was playing Terran when he won a Premier and switched to Protoss way later. Note 2: Up-to-date since 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 (12/12/20) Just a couple of things: Korea in LoTV is at 71.11%(64/90), MarineKing won two MLG which means that he has two Premier titles, MorroW played Zerg after Terran(and before Protoss). Scarlett and Mana are the first generation pros who reached a Premier final in LoTV as well and are still active. Nerchio and Snute reached finals in LoTV but recently retired while Stephano and Dimaga are still playing but they haven't been able to reach finals again(with Stephano actually playing at a good level and going as far as ro8 in WCS Fall 2019 whereas Dimaga's best result in seven years has been a first round exit at HSC's groupstage). Ah, and under "statistics" on Liquipedia sc2, at the bottom of the page, there is a link to the list of the players who have won the most Majors: as expected, Neeb and Special dominate with 20 each. 10 years and i only see this now. Cheers!
Oh my! It's exactly the same for me. I feel so stupid that I spent time counting every thing for the OP... ah ah!
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On December 15 2020 02:39 Serimek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2020 01:47 SmoKim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2020 01:01 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:46 Serimek wrote:Some time ago, I spent time counting final appearances and gold medals in Premier Tournaments according to this page (Premier in Liquipedia) (not including Team League tournaments). The post was in a topic, but I post it here again so it's easier to find for someone wanting the stats. So here we go! Starting with all the players above 10 final appearances :19 = Serral16 = MC15 = Stats14 = Dark, INnoVation, Life13 = TaeJa, Maru, Polt, MMA12 = soO, PartinG11 = Mvp, Reynor, Solar, sOs10 = Zest, herO (not LiquidHerO) And here are ALL the gold medals in Premier :13 = Serral11 = TaeJa10 = INnoVation, Life9 = MMA, Mvp, Maru8 = Polt7 = Rogue6 = Reynor, Neeb, MC, Zest5 = herO, LiquidHerO, Classic, Dark, Stats, Rain, Bomber, sOs, Solar4 = TY, Leenock, PartinG, Stephano3 = NesTea, PuMa, HuK, DongRaeGu, ByuN, Nerchio, soO2 = Scarlett, Hydra, Harstem, Jaedong, Snute, StarDust, Soulkey, Dear, HyuN, MaNa, Creator, viOLet, ThorZaIN, IdrA, Trap1 = MorroW, FruitDealer, Fenix (Peruvian), Genius, Jinro, Naama, SjoW, Ret, NaNiwa, White-Ra, DIMAGA, jjakji, MarineKing, aLive, Seed, Sniper, Sting, First, YoDa, RorO, Revival, duckdeok, San, Pigbaby, TRUE, Sacsri, Sen, Flash, GuMiho, Elazer ForGG, Lilbow, Curious, PtitDrogo, ShoWTimE, Clem, Astrea, uThermalA recap of Gold medals sorted by race :ALL TIME:ZERG: 93 V (35.77%) TERRAN: 88 V (33.85%) PROTOSS: 79 V (30.38%) Legacy of the Void:ZERG : 42 V (46.67%) TERRAN : 25 V (27.78%) PROTOSS : 23 V (25.56%) Heart of the Swarm:ZERG : 22 V (26.83%) TERRAN : 29 V (35.36%) PROTOSS : 31 V (37.80%) Wings of Liberty:ZERG : 29 V (32.95%) TERRAN : 34 V (38.64%) PROTOSS : 25 V (28.41%) Finally, a recap of Gold medals sorted by countries :ALL TIME:Korea : 208 V (80%) Finland : 14 V (5.38%) USA : 9 V (3.46%) France : 7 V (2.69%) Poland, Sweden and Italy : 6 V (2.31%) Canada : 5 V (1.92%) Ukraine and Netherlands : 3 V (1.15%) Norway : 2 V (0.78%) Germany, Taiwan and Peru : 1 V (0.38%) Legacy of the Void:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Finland : 13 V (14.44%) USA : 7 V (7.78%) Italy : 6 V (6.67%) Netherlands : 3 V (3.33%) Canada, Poland and France : 2 V (2.22%) Germany and Norway : 1 V (1.11%) Heart of the Swarm:Korea : 80 V (97.56%) Taiwan and France : 1 V (1.22%) Wings of Liberty:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Sweden : 6 V (6.82%) Poland and France : 4 V (4.55%) Canada : 3 V (3.41%) USA and Ukraine : 2 V (2.27%) Norway, Finland and Peru : 1 V (1.14%) Note 1: MorroW was playing Terran when he won a Premier and switched to Protoss way later. Note 2: Up-to-date since 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 (12/12/20) Just a couple of things: Korea in LoTV is at 71.11%(64/90), MarineKing won two MLG which means that he has two Premier titles, MorroW played Zerg after Terran(and before Protoss). Scarlett and Mana are the first generation pros who reached a Premier final in LoTV as well and are still active. Nerchio and Snute reached finals in LoTV but recently retired while Stephano and Dimaga are still playing but they haven't been able to reach finals again(with Stephano actually playing at a good level and going as far as ro8 in WCS Fall 2019 whereas Dimaga's best result in seven years has been a first round exit at HSC's groupstage). Ah, and under "statistics" on Liquipedia sc2, at the bottom of the page, there is a link to the list of the players who have won the most Majors: as expected, Neeb and Special dominate with 20 each. 10 years and i only see this now. Cheers! Oh my! It's exactly the same for me. I feel so stupid that I spent time counting every thing for the OP... ah ah!
Oh don't worry, you didn't see them because they weren't there! They have been added in the last months.
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On December 15 2020 02:35 Serimek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2020 01:01 Xain0n wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2020 05:46 Serimek wrote:Some time ago, I spent time counting final appearances and gold medals in Premier Tournaments according to this page (Premier in Liquipedia) (not including Team League tournaments). The post was in a topic, but I post it here again so it's easier to find for someone wanting the stats. So here we go! Starting with all the players above 10 final appearances :19 = Serral16 = MC15 = Stats14 = Dark, INnoVation, Life13 = TaeJa, Maru, Polt, MMA12 = soO, PartinG11 = Mvp, Reynor, Solar, sOs10 = Zest, herO (not LiquidHerO) And here are ALL the gold medals in Premier :13 = Serral11 = TaeJa10 = INnoVation, Life9 = MMA, Mvp, Maru8 = Polt7 = Rogue6 = Reynor, Neeb, MC, Zest5 = herO, LiquidHerO, Classic, Dark, Stats, Rain, Bomber, sOs, Solar4 = TY, Leenock, PartinG, Stephano3 = NesTea, PuMa, HuK, DongRaeGu, ByuN, Nerchio, soO2 = Scarlett, Hydra, Harstem, Jaedong, Snute, StarDust, Soulkey, Dear, HyuN, MaNa, Creator, viOLet, ThorZaIN, IdrA, Trap1 = MorroW, FruitDealer, Fenix (Peruvian), Genius, Jinro, Naama, SjoW, Ret, NaNiwa, White-Ra, DIMAGA, jjakji, MarineKing, aLive, Seed, Sniper, Sting, First, YoDa, RorO, Revival, duckdeok, San, Pigbaby, TRUE, Sacsri, Sen, Flash, GuMiho, Elazer ForGG, Lilbow, Curious, PtitDrogo, ShoWTimE, Clem, Astrea, uThermalA recap of Gold medals sorted by race :ALL TIME:ZERG: 93 V (35.77%) TERRAN: 88 V (33.85%) PROTOSS: 79 V (30.38%) Legacy of the Void:ZERG : 42 V (46.67%) TERRAN : 25 V (27.78%) PROTOSS : 23 V (25.56%) Heart of the Swarm:ZERG : 22 V (26.83%) TERRAN : 29 V (35.36%) PROTOSS : 31 V (37.80%) Wings of Liberty:ZERG : 29 V (32.95%) TERRAN : 34 V (38.64%) PROTOSS : 25 V (28.41%) Finally, a recap of Gold medals sorted by countries :ALL TIME:Korea : 208 V (80%) Finland : 14 V (5.38%) USA : 9 V (3.46%) France : 7 V (2.69%) Poland, Sweden and Italy : 6 V (2.31%) Canada : 5 V (1.92%) Ukraine and Netherlands : 3 V (1.15%) Norway : 2 V (0.78%) Germany, Taiwan and Peru : 1 V (0.38%) Legacy of the Void:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Finland : 13 V (14.44%) USA : 7 V (7.78%) Italy : 6 V (6.67%) Netherlands : 3 V (3.33%) Canada, Poland and France : 2 V (2.22%) Germany and Norway : 1 V (1.11%) Heart of the Swarm:Korea : 80 V (97.56%) Taiwan and France : 1 V (1.22%) Wings of Liberty:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Sweden : 6 V (6.82%) Poland and France : 4 V (4.55%) Canada : 3 V (3.41%) USA and Ukraine : 2 V (2.27%) Norway, Finland and Peru : 1 V (1.14%) Note 1: MorroW was playing Terran when he won a Premier and switched to Protoss way later. Note 2: Up-to-date since 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 (12/12/20) Just a couple of things: Korea in LoTV is at 71.11%(64/90), MarineKing won two MLG which means that he has two Premier titles, MorroW played Zerg after Terran(and before Protoss). Scarlett and Mana are the first generation pros who reached a Premier final in LoTV as well and are still active. Nerchio and Snute reached finals in LoTV but recently retired while Stephano and Dimaga are still playing but they haven't been able to reach finals again(with Stephano actually playing at a good level and going as far as ro8 in WCS Fall 2019 whereas Dimaga's best result in seven years has been a first round exit at HSC's groupstage). Ah, and under "statistics" on Liquipedia sc2, at the bottom of the page, there is a link to the list of the players who have won the most Majors: as expected, Neeb and Special dominate with 20 each. Thank you Xain0n. I've corrected the OP. To all criticizing the very concept of "Premier", I, as you can see some post above, is the first one to recognize that it is not a well tailored concept to grasp the best/more important tournaments: some majors are more important, all premiers are not equal. But I never pretend to write stats about the most important tournament. My English is probably a bit to weak to participate in a discussion about Premier, but I wish such a conversation occur so that Liquipedians find better criteria in order to have a simple equation: Premier tournament = best/most important/most prestigious tournament. I was thinking about that reading your comments actually and I do wonder if it would be feasible to assign a value to each tournament using the pool of players' Aligulac rating at the time of the tournament or something like that among the criteria.
I wanted to edit and I posted this instead, nevermind.
Liquipedia's criteria are not perfect, of course, but they for sure point towards the right direction.
Aligulac's ratings inflate over time but using rankings instead of ratings we could attempt to compare tournaments from different eras; I could see "average ranking of participating players" been added as a criteria.
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On December 15 2020 03:16 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2020 02:39 Serimek wrote:On December 15 2020 01:47 SmoKim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2020 01:01 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:46 Serimek wrote:Some time ago, I spent time counting final appearances and gold medals in Premier Tournaments according to this page (Premier in Liquipedia) (not including Team League tournaments). The post was in a topic, but I post it here again so it's easier to find for someone wanting the stats. So here we go! Starting with all the players above 10 final appearances :19 = Serral16 = MC15 = Stats14 = Dark, INnoVation, Life13 = TaeJa, Maru, Polt, MMA12 = soO, PartinG11 = Mvp, Reynor, Solar, sOs10 = Zest, herO (not LiquidHerO) And here are ALL the gold medals in Premier :13 = Serral11 = TaeJa10 = INnoVation, Life9 = MMA, Mvp, Maru8 = Polt7 = Rogue6 = Reynor, Neeb, MC, Zest5 = herO, LiquidHerO, Classic, Dark, Stats, Rain, Bomber, sOs, Solar4 = TY, Leenock, PartinG, Stephano3 = NesTea, PuMa, HuK, DongRaeGu, ByuN, Nerchio, soO2 = Scarlett, Hydra, Harstem, Jaedong, Snute, StarDust, Soulkey, Dear, HyuN, MaNa, Creator, viOLet, ThorZaIN, IdrA, Trap1 = MorroW, FruitDealer, Fenix (Peruvian), Genius, Jinro, Naama, SjoW, Ret, NaNiwa, White-Ra, DIMAGA, jjakji, MarineKing, aLive, Seed, Sniper, Sting, First, YoDa, RorO, Revival, duckdeok, San, Pigbaby, TRUE, Sacsri, Sen, Flash, GuMiho, Elazer ForGG, Lilbow, Curious, PtitDrogo, ShoWTimE, Clem, Astrea, uThermalA recap of Gold medals sorted by race :ALL TIME:ZERG: 93 V (35.77%) TERRAN: 88 V (33.85%) PROTOSS: 79 V (30.38%) Legacy of the Void:ZERG : 42 V (46.67%) TERRAN : 25 V (27.78%) PROTOSS : 23 V (25.56%) Heart of the Swarm:ZERG : 22 V (26.83%) TERRAN : 29 V (35.36%) PROTOSS : 31 V (37.80%) Wings of Liberty:ZERG : 29 V (32.95%) TERRAN : 34 V (38.64%) PROTOSS : 25 V (28.41%) Finally, a recap of Gold medals sorted by countries :ALL TIME:Korea : 208 V (80%) Finland : 14 V (5.38%) USA : 9 V (3.46%) France : 7 V (2.69%) Poland, Sweden and Italy : 6 V (2.31%) Canada : 5 V (1.92%) Ukraine and Netherlands : 3 V (1.15%) Norway : 2 V (0.78%) Germany, Taiwan and Peru : 1 V (0.38%) Legacy of the Void:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Finland : 13 V (14.44%) USA : 7 V (7.78%) Italy : 6 V (6.67%) Netherlands : 3 V (3.33%) Canada, Poland and France : 2 V (2.22%) Germany and Norway : 1 V (1.11%) Heart of the Swarm:Korea : 80 V (97.56%) Taiwan and France : 1 V (1.22%) Wings of Liberty:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Sweden : 6 V (6.82%) Poland and France : 4 V (4.55%) Canada : 3 V (3.41%) USA and Ukraine : 2 V (2.27%) Norway, Finland and Peru : 1 V (1.14%) Note 1: MorroW was playing Terran when he won a Premier and switched to Protoss way later. Note 2: Up-to-date since 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 (12/12/20) Just a couple of things: Korea in LoTV is at 71.11%(64/90), MarineKing won two MLG which means that he has two Premier titles, MorroW played Zerg after Terran(and before Protoss). Scarlett and Mana are the first generation pros who reached a Premier final in LoTV as well and are still active. Nerchio and Snute reached finals in LoTV but recently retired while Stephano and Dimaga are still playing but they haven't been able to reach finals again(with Stephano actually playing at a good level and going as far as ro8 in WCS Fall 2019 whereas Dimaga's best result in seven years has been a first round exit at HSC's groupstage). Ah, and under "statistics" on Liquipedia sc2, at the bottom of the page, there is a link to the list of the players who have won the most Majors: as expected, Neeb and Special dominate with 20 each. 10 years and i only see this now. Cheers! Oh my! It's exactly the same for me. I feel so stupid that I spent time counting every thing for the OP... ah ah! Oh don't worry, you didn't see them because they weren't there! They have been added in the last months.
Whoever did this is a hero 
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On December 15 2020 01:41 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2020 01:24 arcane1129 wrote:
The list is a bit misleading, as some premier tournaments really shouldn't be considered as such (Cross Finals, Inno's Gold Professional Championship), while some majors probably should be (some HSCs, recent ASUS ROG, recent Netease, etc). the entire metric of "liquipedia premier tournaments" is incredibly misleading, inaccurate and arbitrary but for some reason people continue to use it when talking about player achievements. I mean - it classes Blizzcon and DH NA in the same tier of tournaments.............. I wish we could move away from using this classification as reference
You seem to deem yourself the unofficial decider of which tournaments are irrelevant or not, which races are imbalanced or not, and which players are good or not.
Although your dislike for Serral has been well documented over the years, the facts are the facts. Please dont try to bring Trumpesque misinformation skewing to these discussions.
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On December 16 2020 08:22 Dave4 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2020 01:41 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2020 01:24 arcane1129 wrote:
The list is a bit misleading, as some premier tournaments really shouldn't be considered as such (Cross Finals, Inno's Gold Professional Championship), while some majors probably should be (some HSCs, recent ASUS ROG, recent Netease, etc). the entire metric of "liquipedia premier tournaments" is incredibly misleading, inaccurate and arbitrary but for some reason people continue to use it when talking about player achievements. I mean - it classes Blizzcon and DH NA in the same tier of tournaments.............. I wish we could move away from using this classification as reference You seem to deem yourself the unofficial decider of which tournaments are irrelevant or not, which races are imbalanced or not, and which players are good or not. Although your dislike for Serral has been well documented over the years, the facts are the facts. Please dont try to bring Trumpesque misinformation skewing to these discussions.
He does have a point regarding Premier classification, indeed comparing across eras of rather different tournament structures as well.
Makes for a fun jumping in point for discussion but as a league table of any value it’s almost worthless.
Could probably be helped by recategorising and adding another tier of tournament, like a grand slam/major you see in tennis or golf.
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On December 16 2020 08:22 Dave4 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2020 01:41 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2020 01:24 arcane1129 wrote:
The list is a bit misleading, as some premier tournaments really shouldn't be considered as such (Cross Finals, Inno's Gold Professional Championship), while some majors probably should be (some HSCs, recent ASUS ROG, recent Netease, etc). the entire metric of "liquipedia premier tournaments" is incredibly misleading, inaccurate and arbitrary but for some reason people continue to use it when talking about player achievements. I mean - it classes Blizzcon and DH NA in the same tier of tournaments.............. I wish we could move away from using this classification as reference You seem to deem yourself the unofficial decider of which tournaments are irrelevant or not, which races are imbalanced or not, and which players are good or not. Although your dislike for Serral has been well documented over the years, the facts are the facts. Please dont try to bring Trumpesque misinformation skewing to these discussions.
facts are facts? you realize the criteria for liquipedia premier events were also decided by the subjective opinions of liquipedia editors 10 years ago?
Nothing about them is a "fact"
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White-ra did win one ?
Cannot remember
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Zerg wasn't much more OP than Terran is now. EU Zerg is just OP and many of these Serral wins are in foreigner only events. You can discredit foreigner only events a bit though, just like you can discredit Kr only events a bit.
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On January 07 2021 05:09 ejozl wrote:
Zerg wasn't much more OP than Terran is now. EU Zerg is just OP and many of these Serral wins are in foreigner only events. You can discredit foreigner only events a bit though, just like you can discredit Kr only events a bit.
This post hurt my brain. Please stop.
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