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Some time ago, I spent time counting final appearances and gold medals in Premier Tournaments according to this page (Premier in Liquipedia) (not including Team League tournaments). The post was in a topic, but I post it here again so it's easier to find for someone wanting the stats.
So here we go! Starting with all the players above 10 final appearances :
19 =  Serral
16 =  MC
15 = Stats
14 = Dark,  INnoVation, Life
13 = TaeJa, Maru, Polt, MMA
12 = soO, PartinG
11 = Mvp, Reynor, Solar, sOs
10 = Zest, herO (not LiquidHerO)
And here are ALL the gold medals in Premier :
13 = Serral
11 = TaeJa
10 = INnoVation, Life
9 = MMA, Mvp, Maru
8 = Polt
7 = Rogue
6 = Reynor, Neeb, MC, Zest
5 = herO, LiquidHerO, Classic, Dark, Stats, Rain, Bomber, sOs, Solar
4 = TY, Leenock, PartinG, Stephano
3 = NesTea, PuMa, HuK, DongRaeGu, ByuN, Nerchio, soO
2 = Scarlett, Hydra, Harstem, Jaedong, Snute, StarDust, , MarineKing, Soulkey, Dear, HyuN, MaNa, Creator, viOLet, ThorZaIN, IdrA, Trap
1 = MorroW, FruitDealer, Fenix (Peruvian), Genius, Jinro, Naama, SjoW, Ret, NaNiwa, White-Ra, DIMAGA, jjakji, aLive, Seed, Sniper, Sting, First, YoDa, RorO, Revival, duckdeok, San, Pigbaby, TRUE, Sacsri, Sen, Flash, GuMiho, Elazer ForGG, Lilbow, Curious, PtitDrogo, ShoWTimE, Clem, Astrea, uThermal
A recap of Gold medals sorted by race :
ALL TIME:
ZERG: 93 V (35.77%)
TERRAN: 88 V (33.85%)
PROTOSS: 79 V (30.38%)
Legacy of the Void:
ZERG : 42 V (46.67%)
TERRAN : 25 V (27.78%)
PROTOSS : 23 V (25.56%)
Heart of the Swarm:
ZERG : 22 V (26.83%)
TERRAN : 29 V (35.36%)
PROTOSS : 31 V (37.80%)
Wings of Liberty:
ZERG : 29 V (32.95%)
TERRAN : 34 V (38.64%)
PROTOSS : 25 V (28.41%)
Finally, a recap of Gold medals sorted by countries :
ALL TIME:
Korea : 208 V (80%)
Finland : 14 V (5.38%)
USA : 9 V (3.46%)
France : 7 V (2.69%)
Poland, Sweden and Italy : 6 V (2.31%)
Canada : 5 V (1.92%)
Ukraine and Netherlands : 3 V (1.15%)
Norway : 2 V (0.78%)
Germany, Taiwan and Peru : 1 V (0.38%)
Legacy of the Void:
Korea : 64 V (71.11%)
Finland : 13 V (14.44%)
USA : 7 V (7.78%)
Italy : 6 V (6.67%)
Netherlands : 3 V (3.33%)
Canada, Poland and France : 2 V (2.22%)
Germany and Norway : 1 V (1.11%)
Heart of the Swarm:
Korea : 80 V (97.56%)
Taiwan and France : 1 V (1.22%)
Wings of Liberty:
Korea : 64 V (72.73%)
Sweden : 6 V (6.82%)
Poland and France : 4 V (4.55%)
Canada : 3 V (3.41%)
USA and Ukraine : 2 V (2.27%)
Norway, Finland and Peru : 1 V (1.14%)
Note 1: MorroW was playing Terran when he won a Premier and switched to Protoss way later.
Note 2: Up-to-date since 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 (12/12/20)
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nice !
So Harstem has much as flash and marineking combined apparently ^^
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TaeJa 11-2, while SoO is 3-12..
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On November 30 2020 06:50 ejozl wrote:
TaeJa 11-2, while SoO is 3-12..
MC with 10 silver medals is almost soOesque too. One Silver medal more than him even.
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On November 30 2020 06:50 ejozl wrote:
TaeJa 11-2, while SoO is 3-12..
soO is 3-9...
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Nice! Guess you can add + Show Spoiler +
Would love to see the full list of finalists appearance. Would also be cool to se Major tournament winners and online tournament medalists. Guys like Heromarine and Nerchio have won so many.
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On November 30 2020 07:18 Charoisaur wrote:soO is 3-9...
ohye.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
so does HerO has 10 or what is that double 5? What kind of trickery is this?
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On November 30 2020 07:33 deacon.frost wrote:
so does HerO has 10 or what is that double 5? What kind of trickery is this?
CJ herO and Liquid HerO have 5 each. People suck at TLPD 
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 30 2020 07:53 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 07:33 deacon.frost wrote:
so does HerO has 10 or what is that double 5? What kind of trickery is this? CJ herO and Liquid HerO have 5 each. People suck at TLPD
Looks so, but then the OP used wrong Heroes  As both of these lead to Song Hyeon Deok The Smiling Assassin isn't none of them. Capitalization matters!
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On November 30 2020 07:27 SmoKim wrote:Nice! Guess you can add + Show Spoiler +Would love to see the full list of finalists appearance. Would also be cool to se Major tournament winners and online tournament medalists. Guys like Heromarine and Nerchio have won so many.
ASUS ROG is a Major.
Since regional qualifiers count as a Major you would see Neeb and Special top the chart with dozen of titles.
Byun, Zest, Gumiho and Solar are the korean kings of minor online tournaments.
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Northern Ireland26270 Posts
We could really do with a tier above Premier, I suggest we call them ‘Super’ Tournaments, couldn’t see it being confusing at all.
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MMA with 9 premier tournament wins (as many as Mvp and Maru) - dude remains underrated
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6 Terrans have more Gold medals than the best Protoss.
I love how nowadays a lot of whiners talk about how Zerg is to easy because we see so many good Zergs, but in history we ve seen by far the most succesfull Terrans. Indicating that over the entire time of SC2 Terran was the easiest to get to the top with. All that while Terrans for eternity say they Play the hardest race
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On November 30 2020 07:55 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 07:53 Elentos wrote:On November 30 2020 07:33 deacon.frost wrote:
so does HerO has 10 or what is that double 5? What kind of trickery is this? CJ herO and Liquid HerO have 5 each. People suck at TLPD Looks so, but then the OP used wrong Heroes As both of these lead to Song Hyeon Deok The Smiling Assassin isn't none of them. Capitalization matters!
Sorry about that. I tried to make it clear though... 
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On November 30 2020 11:37 WombaT wrote:
We could really do with a tier above Premier, I suggest we call them ‘Super’ Tournaments, couldn’t see it being confusing at all.
It's true that not all Premier are equals. But a clear cut could be tricky, especially for tournaments with the same name but not at all the same difficulty (example : MLG before and after Koreans' attendance).
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I'm lost : has a mod changed MC's number ? I wrote 16 appareances and 6 wins and it's 18 and 7 now... 
I changed the number back.
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On November 30 2020 16:55 Serimek wrote:I'm lost : has a mod changed MC's number ? I wrote 16 appareances and 6 wins and it's 18 and 7 now... I changed the number back.
Curiously in the Premier tab of Liquipedia MC shows up 16 times but if you go to MC's page and achievement list counting adds up to 18 finals 7 golds.
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On November 30 2020 17:44 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 16:55 Serimek wrote:I'm lost : has a mod changed MC's number ? I wrote 16 appareances and 6 wins and it's 18 and 7 now... I changed the number back. Curiously in the Premier tab of Liquipedia MC shows up 16 times but if you go to MC's page and achievement list counting adds up to 18 finals 7 golds.
OK, I've found what's MC page is considering Premier win and 2nd place and, are not, in my opinion, as it is not main event finals : this and that (Pool B victory).
MC has 16 finals and 6 victories.
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With 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 , Stats is now the only player with 15 Premier finals, becoming the indisputable 3rd in that regard, four finals behind Serral and one away from MC.
Trap has now 8 final appearances and 2 Gold medals hanging around his neck. GGs to him!
He is now tied with fellow Protosses MaNa and Creator. In my opinion, it shows, considering his level, how much of an anomaly this low number of wins in Premier tournaments is.
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On December 12 2020 20:41 Serimek wrote:
With 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 , Stats is now the only player with 15 Premier finals, becoming the indisputable 3rd in that regard, four finals behind Serral and one away from MC.
Trap has now 8 final appearances and 2 Gold medals hanging around his neck. GGs to him!
He is now tied with fellow Protosses MaNa and Creator. In my opinion, it shows, considering his level, how much of an anomaly this low number of wins in Premier tournaments is.
Also Stats now has 10 2nd place finishes, 1 more than soO with 9.
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just imagine how many life wouldve won by now. hed be the undisputed GOAT.
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On December 13 2020 00:40 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2020 20:41 Serimek wrote:
With 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 , Stats is now the only player with 15 Premier finals, becoming the indisputable 3rd in that regard, four finals behind Serral and one away from MC.
Trap has now 8 final appearances and 2 Gold medals hanging around his neck. GGs to him!
He is now tied with fellow Protosses MaNa and Creator. In my opinion, it shows, considering his level, how much of an anomaly this low number of wins in Premier tournaments is. Also Stats now has 10 2nd place finishes, 1 more than soO with 9.
Stats and MC achievements are amazingly similar actually: 5 Gold and 10 Silver vs. 6 Gold and 10 silver.
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Northern Ireland26270 Posts
On December 13 2020 01:12 freelifeffs wrote:
just imagine how many life wouldve won by now. hed be the undisputed GOAT.
Assumes a lot.
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Serral doesn't count cause he's zerg in LOTV. Zerg in WoL or HoTS, fine. Zerg in LOTV? Not fine.
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On December 13 2020 13:21 NinjaNight wrote:
Serral doesn't count cause he's zerg in LOTV. Zerg in WoL or HoTS, fine. Zerg in LOTV? Not fine.
Zerg won 42 out of 90 Premier in LOTV (46,7%). It is far from the ideal 33,3% one could expect, it's true.
But Serral won by himself 13 out of those 42 victories. It's 30,9 %. Almost a third of all Zerg victories (and 14,4% of all titles). That's huge man. You can not disregard Serral because of his race that easily.
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I added some race and nationality stats!
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Great to see. Not surprising to see Serral on top of course. 13 golds is insanity!
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On December 13 2020 17:14 Serimek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2020 13:21 NinjaNight wrote:
Serral doesn't count cause he's zerg in LOTV. Zerg in WoL or HoTS, fine. Zerg in LOTV? Not fine. Zerg won 42 out of 90 Premier in LOTV (46,7%). It is far from the ideal 33,3% one could expect, it's true. But Serral won by himself 13 out of those 42 victories. It's 30,9 %. Almost a third of all Zerg victories (and 14,4% of all titles). That's huge man. You can not disregard Serral because of his race that easily.
Even if we subtract those 13 victories of Serral zerg still has more gold medals than the other races. Factor in that four of the finals Serral won was ZvZ, even if Serral lost those it would still be a zerg champion.
If you factor that in it is clear that looking at championship results zerg does look overpowered. Not saying they are, just saying its not all Serral. Obviously Serral is still a god and should be considered the fifth race.
Very interesting stats presented here, I don't care much from drawing conclusions only from championships but it is interesting.
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On December 14 2020 20:28 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2020 17:14 Serimek wrote:On December 13 2020 13:21 NinjaNight wrote:
Serral doesn't count cause he's zerg in LOTV. Zerg in WoL or HoTS, fine. Zerg in LOTV? Not fine. Zerg won 42 out of 90 Premier in LOTV (46,7%). It is far from the ideal 33,3% one could expect, it's true. But Serral won by himself 13 out of those 42 victories. It's 30,9 %. Almost a third of all Zerg victories (and 14,4% of all titles). That's huge man. You can not disregard Serral because of his race that easily. Even if we subtract those 13 victories of Serral zerg still has more gold medals than the other races. Factor in that four of the finals Serral won was ZvZ, even if Serral lost those it would still be a zerg champion. If you factor that in it is clear that looking at championship results zerg does look overpowered. Not saying they are, just saying its not all Serral. Obviously Serral is still a god and should be considered the fifth race. Very interesting stats presented here, I don't care much from drawing conclusions only from championships but it is interesting.
I mean in 2019 Zerg was blatantly overpowered, there's no discussion about it.
In 2018 and 2020 it looks very different and I don't think Zerg was too strong there.
keep in mind that the 4 WCS victories in 2018 were always going to be won by Serral because he had zero competition back then.
Pointless to make a stat about premier winners from 2018 to now when the balance changed so much in this period.
so Serral won 4 out of his "premier" championships according to Liquipedia (which I think is a terribly inaccurate and arbitrary metric but I will just go with it because that's what you're talking about) during a period where Zerg was blatantly imbalanced.
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On December 14 2020 22:17 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 20:28 Shuffleblade wrote:On December 13 2020 17:14 Serimek wrote:On December 13 2020 13:21 NinjaNight wrote:
Serral doesn't count cause he's zerg in LOTV. Zerg in WoL or HoTS, fine. Zerg in LOTV? Not fine. Zerg won 42 out of 90 Premier in LOTV (46,7%). It is far from the ideal 33,3% one could expect, it's true. But Serral won by himself 13 out of those 42 victories. It's 30,9 %. Almost a third of all Zerg victories (and 14,4% of all titles). That's huge man. You can not disregard Serral because of his race that easily. Even if we subtract those 13 victories of Serral zerg still has more gold medals than the other races. Factor in that four of the finals Serral won was ZvZ, even if Serral lost those it would still be a zerg champion. If you factor that in it is clear that looking at championship results zerg does look overpowered. Not saying they are, just saying its not all Serral. Obviously Serral is still a god and should be considered the fifth race. Very interesting stats presented here, I don't care much from drawing conclusions only from championships but it is interesting. I mean in 2019 Zerg was blatantly overpowered, there's no discussion about it. In 2018 and 2020 it looks very different and I don't think Zerg was too strong there. keep in mind that the 4 WCS victories in 2018 were always going to be won by Serral because he had zero competition back then. Pointless to make a stat about premier winners from 2018 to now when the balance changed so much in this period. so Serral won 4 out of his "premier" championships according to Liquipedia (which I think is a terribly inaccurate and arbitrary metric but I will just go with it because that's what you're talking about) during a period where Zerg was blatantly imbalanced.
What is your point, do you have a point?
You are entering a thread listing statistics from a broad range of perspectives, including all time championsships by race throughout all of SC2 history.
You are replying to a discussion about wether Serral deserves being the players with the most premier championships in starcraft 2 or if his race makes him undeserving of inclusion in the statistics.
Your answer is that statistics are useless, that Serral won four tournaments in a period when zerg was strong and that Serrals win the following years shouldn't count because he was too good(?). So you are saying you agree with the original poster that Serral shouldn't count?
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This Serral guy, is pretty good.
Do any players have 3x triple crowns? Serral needs another GSL vs the World for that.
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On November 30 2020 05:46 Serimek wrote:Some time ago, I spent time counting final appearances and gold medals in Premier Tournaments according to this page (Premier in Liquipedia) (not including Team League tournaments). The post was in a topic, but I post it here again so it's easier to find for someone wanting the stats. So here we go! Starting with all the players above 10 final appearances :19 = Serral16 = MC15 = Stats14 = Dark, INnoVation, Life13 = TaeJa, Maru, Polt, MMA12 = soO, PartinG11 = Mvp, Reynor, Solar, sOs10 = Zest, herO (not LiquidHerO) And here are ALL the gold medals in Premier :13 = Serral11 = TaeJa10 = INnoVation, Life9 = MMA, Mvp, Maru8 = Polt7 = Rogue6 = Reynor, Neeb, MC, Zest5 = herO, LiquidHerO, Classic, Dark, Stats, Rain, Bomber, sOs, Solar4 = TY, Leenock, PartinG, Stephano3 = NesTea, PuMa, HuK, DongRaeGu, ByuN, Nerchio, soO2 = Scarlett, Hydra, Harstem, Jaedong, Snute, StarDust, Soulkey, Dear, HyuN, MaNa, Creator, viOLet, ThorZaIN, IdrA, Trap1 = MorroW, FruitDealer, Fenix (Peruvian), Genius, Jinro, Naama, SjoW, Ret, NaNiwa, White-Ra, DIMAGA, jjakji, MarineKing, aLive, Seed, Sniper, Sting, First, YoDa, RorO, Revival, duckdeok, San, Pigbaby, TRUE, Sacsri, Sen, Flash, GuMiho, Elazer ForGG, Lilbow, Curious, PtitDrogo, ShoWTimE, Clem, Astrea, uThermalA recap of Gold medals sorted by race :ALL TIME:ZERG: 93 V (35.77%) TERRAN: 88 V (33.85%) PROTOSS: 79 V (30.38%) Legacy of the Void:ZERG : 42 V (46.67%) TERRAN : 25 V (27.78%) PROTOSS : 23 V (25.56%) Heart of the Swarm:ZERG : 22 V (26.83%) TERRAN : 29 V (35.36%) PROTOSS : 31 V (37.80%) Wings of Liberty:ZERG : 29 V (32.95%) TERRAN : 34 V (38.64%) PROTOSS : 25 V (28.41%) Finally, a recap of Gold medals sorted by countries :ALL TIME:Korea : 208 V (80%) Finland : 14 V (5.38%) USA : 9 V (3.46%) France : 7 V (2.69%) Poland, Sweden and Italy : 6 V (2.31%) Canada : 5 V (1.92%) Ukraine and Netherlands : 3 V (1.15%) Norway : 2 V (0.78%) Germany, Taiwan and Peru : 1 V (0.38%) Legacy of the Void:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Finland : 13 V (14.44%) USA : 7 V (7.78%) Italy : 6 V (6.67%) Netherlands : 3 V (3.33%) Canada, Poland and France : 2 V (2.22%) Germany and Norway : 1 V (1.11%) Heart of the Swarm:Korea : 80 V (97.56%) Taiwan and France : 1 V (1.22%) Wings of Liberty:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Sweden : 6 V (6.82%) Poland and France : 4 V (4.55%) Canada : 3 V (3.41%) USA and Ukraine : 2 V (2.27%) Norway, Finland and Peru : 1 V (1.14%) Note 1: MorroW was playing Terran when he won a Premier and switched to Protoss way later. Note 2: Up-to-date since 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 (12/12/20)
Just a couple of things: Korea in LoTV is at 71.11%(64/90), MarineKing won two MLG which means that he has two Premier titles, MorroW played Zerg after Terran(and before Protoss).
Scarlett and Mana are the first generation pros who reached a Premier final in LoTV as well and are still active.
Nerchio and Snute reached finals in LoTV but recently retired while Stephano and Dimaga are still playing but they haven't been able to reach finals again(with Stephano actually playing at a good level and going as far as ro8 in WCS Fall 2019 whereas Dimaga's best result in seven years has been a first round exit at HSC's groupstage).
Ah, and under "statistics" on Liquipedia sc2, at the bottom of the page, there is a link to the list of the players who have won the most Majors: as expected, Neeb and Special dominate with 20 each.
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On December 14 2020 23:28 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2020 22:17 Charoisaur wrote:On December 14 2020 20:28 Shuffleblade wrote:On December 13 2020 17:14 Serimek wrote:On December 13 2020 13:21 NinjaNight wrote:
Serral doesn't count cause he's zerg in LOTV. Zerg in WoL or HoTS, fine. Zerg in LOTV? Not fine. Zerg won 42 out of 90 Premier in LOTV (46,7%). It is far from the ideal 33,3% one could expect, it's true. But Serral won by himself 13 out of those 42 victories. It's 30,9 %. Almost a third of all Zerg victories (and 14,4% of all titles). That's huge man. You can not disregard Serral because of his race that easily. Even if we subtract those 13 victories of Serral zerg still has more gold medals than the other races. Factor in that four of the finals Serral won was ZvZ, even if Serral lost those it would still be a zerg champion. If you factor that in it is clear that looking at championship results zerg does look overpowered. Not saying they are, just saying its not all Serral. Obviously Serral is still a god and should be considered the fifth race. Very interesting stats presented here, I don't care much from drawing conclusions only from championships but it is interesting. I mean in 2019 Zerg was blatantly overpowered, there's no discussion about it. In 2018 and 2020 it looks very different and I don't think Zerg was too strong there. keep in mind that the 4 WCS victories in 2018 were always going to be won by Serral because he had zero competition back then. Pointless to make a stat about premier winners from 2018 to now when the balance changed so much in this period. so Serral won 4 out of his "premier" championships according to Liquipedia (which I think is a terribly inaccurate and arbitrary metric but I will just go with it because that's what you're talking about) during a period where Zerg was blatantly imbalanced. What is your point, do you have a point? You are entering a thread listing statistics from a broad range of perspectives, including all time championsships by race throughout all of SC2 history. You are replying to a discussion about wether Serral deserves being the players with the most premier championships in starcraft 2 or if his race makes him undeserving of inclusion in the statistics. Your answer is that statistics are useless, that Serral won four tournaments in a period when zerg was strong and that Serrals win the following years shouldn't count because he was too good(?). So you are saying you agree with the original poster that Serral shouldn't count?
The debate was about how much Serral benefitted from playing Zerg which has been according to statistics posted the strongest race for the last 3 years. I disagree that Zerg was the strongest race (at least not by much) in 2018 and 2020 and think the statistics from 2019 shouldn't be mixed with those from 2018 and 2020 because the state of balance was vastly different between those 3 years.
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The list is a bit misleading, as some premier tournaments really shouldn't be considered as such (Cross Finals, Inno's Gold Professional Championship), while some majors probably should be (some HSCs, recent ASUS ROG, recent Netease, etc).
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On December 15 2020 01:24 arcane1129 wrote:
The list is a bit misleading, as some premier tournaments really shouldn't be considered as such (Cross Finals, Inno's Gold Professional Championship), while some majors probably should be (some HSCs, recent ASUS ROG, recent Netease, etc).
the entire metric of "liquipedia premier tournaments" is incredibly misleading, inaccurate and arbitrary but for some reason people continue to use it when talking about player achievements.
I mean - it classes Blizzcon and DH NA in the same tier of tournaments.............. I wish we could move away from using this classification as reference
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On December 15 2020 01:01 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:46 Serimek wrote:Some time ago, I spent time counting final appearances and gold medals in Premier Tournaments according to this page (Premier in Liquipedia) (not including Team League tournaments). The post was in a topic, but I post it here again so it's easier to find for someone wanting the stats. So here we go! Starting with all the players above 10 final appearances :19 = Serral16 = MC15 = Stats14 = Dark, INnoVation, Life13 = TaeJa, Maru, Polt, MMA12 = soO, PartinG11 = Mvp, Reynor, Solar, sOs10 = Zest, herO (not LiquidHerO) And here are ALL the gold medals in Premier :13 = Serral11 = TaeJa10 = INnoVation, Life9 = MMA, Mvp, Maru8 = Polt7 = Rogue6 = Reynor, Neeb, MC, Zest5 = herO, LiquidHerO, Classic, Dark, Stats, Rain, Bomber, sOs, Solar4 = TY, Leenock, PartinG, Stephano3 = NesTea, PuMa, HuK, DongRaeGu, ByuN, Nerchio, soO2 = Scarlett, Hydra, Harstem, Jaedong, Snute, StarDust, Soulkey, Dear, HyuN, MaNa, Creator, viOLet, ThorZaIN, IdrA, Trap1 = MorroW, FruitDealer, Fenix (Peruvian), Genius, Jinro, Naama, SjoW, Ret, NaNiwa, White-Ra, DIMAGA, jjakji, MarineKing, aLive, Seed, Sniper, Sting, First, YoDa, RorO, Revival, duckdeok, San, Pigbaby, TRUE, Sacsri, Sen, Flash, GuMiho, Elazer ForGG, Lilbow, Curious, PtitDrogo, ShoWTimE, Clem, Astrea, uThermalA recap of Gold medals sorted by race :ALL TIME:ZERG: 93 V (35.77%) TERRAN: 88 V (33.85%) PROTOSS: 79 V (30.38%) Legacy of the Void:ZERG : 42 V (46.67%) TERRAN : 25 V (27.78%) PROTOSS : 23 V (25.56%) Heart of the Swarm:ZERG : 22 V (26.83%) TERRAN : 29 V (35.36%) PROTOSS : 31 V (37.80%) Wings of Liberty:ZERG : 29 V (32.95%) TERRAN : 34 V (38.64%) PROTOSS : 25 V (28.41%) Finally, a recap of Gold medals sorted by countries :ALL TIME:Korea : 208 V (80%) Finland : 14 V (5.38%) USA : 9 V (3.46%) France : 7 V (2.69%) Poland, Sweden and Italy : 6 V (2.31%) Canada : 5 V (1.92%) Ukraine and Netherlands : 3 V (1.15%) Norway : 2 V (0.78%) Germany, Taiwan and Peru : 1 V (0.38%) Legacy of the Void:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Finland : 13 V (14.44%) USA : 7 V (7.78%) Italy : 6 V (6.67%) Netherlands : 3 V (3.33%) Canada, Poland and France : 2 V (2.22%) Germany and Norway : 1 V (1.11%) Heart of the Swarm:Korea : 80 V (97.56%) Taiwan and France : 1 V (1.22%) Wings of Liberty:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Sweden : 6 V (6.82%) Poland and France : 4 V (4.55%) Canada : 3 V (3.41%) USA and Ukraine : 2 V (2.27%) Norway, Finland and Peru : 1 V (1.14%) Note 1: MorroW was playing Terran when he won a Premier and switched to Protoss way later. Note 2: Up-to-date since 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 (12/12/20) Just a couple of things: Korea in LoTV is at 71.11%(64/90), MarineKing won two MLG which means that he has two Premier titles, MorroW played Zerg after Terran(and before Protoss). Scarlett and Mana are the first generation pros who reached a Premier final in LoTV as well and are still active. Nerchio and Snute reached finals in LoTV but recently retired while Stephano and Dimaga are still playing but they haven't been able to reach finals again(with Stephano actually playing at a good level and going as far as ro8 in WCS Fall 2019 whereas Dimaga's best result in seven years has been a first round exit at HSC's groupstage). Ah, and under "statistics" on Liquipedia sc2, at the bottom of the page, there is a link to the list of the players who have won the most Majors: as expected, Neeb and Special dominate with 20 each.
10 years and i only see this now. Cheers!
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On December 15 2020 01:01 Xain0n wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2020 05:46 Serimek wrote:Some time ago, I spent time counting final appearances and gold medals in Premier Tournaments according to this page (Premier in Liquipedia) (not including Team League tournaments). The post was in a topic, but I post it here again so it's easier to find for someone wanting the stats. So here we go! Starting with all the players above 10 final appearances :19 = Serral16 = MC15 = Stats14 = Dark, INnoVation, Life13 = TaeJa, Maru, Polt, MMA12 = soO, PartinG11 = Mvp, Reynor, Solar, sOs10 = Zest, herO (not LiquidHerO) And here are ALL the gold medals in Premier :13 = Serral11 = TaeJa10 = INnoVation, Life9 = MMA, Mvp, Maru8 = Polt7 = Rogue6 = Reynor, Neeb, MC, Zest5 = herO, LiquidHerO, Classic, Dark, Stats, Rain, Bomber, sOs, Solar4 = TY, Leenock, PartinG, Stephano3 = NesTea, PuMa, HuK, DongRaeGu, ByuN, Nerchio, soO2 = Scarlett, Hydra, Harstem, Jaedong, Snute, StarDust, Soulkey, Dear, HyuN, MaNa, Creator, viOLet, ThorZaIN, IdrA, Trap1 = MorroW, FruitDealer, Fenix (Peruvian), Genius, Jinro, Naama, SjoW, Ret, NaNiwa, White-Ra, DIMAGA, jjakji, MarineKing, aLive, Seed, Sniper, Sting, First, YoDa, RorO, Revival, duckdeok, San, Pigbaby, TRUE, Sacsri, Sen, Flash, GuMiho, Elazer ForGG, Lilbow, Curious, PtitDrogo, ShoWTimE, Clem, Astrea, uThermalA recap of Gold medals sorted by race :ALL TIME:ZERG: 93 V (35.77%) TERRAN: 88 V (33.85%) PROTOSS: 79 V (30.38%) Legacy of the Void:ZERG : 42 V (46.67%) TERRAN : 25 V (27.78%) PROTOSS : 23 V (25.56%) Heart of the Swarm:ZERG : 22 V (26.83%) TERRAN : 29 V (35.36%) PROTOSS : 31 V (37.80%) Wings of Liberty:ZERG : 29 V (32.95%) TERRAN : 34 V (38.64%) PROTOSS : 25 V (28.41%) Finally, a recap of Gold medals sorted by countries :ALL TIME:Korea : 208 V (80%) Finland : 14 V (5.38%) USA : 9 V (3.46%) France : 7 V (2.69%) Poland, Sweden and Italy : 6 V (2.31%) Canada : 5 V (1.92%) Ukraine and Netherlands : 3 V (1.15%) Norway : 2 V (0.78%) Germany, Taiwan and Peru : 1 V (0.38%) Legacy of the Void:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Finland : 13 V (14.44%) USA : 7 V (7.78%) Italy : 6 V (6.67%) Netherlands : 3 V (3.33%) Canada, Poland and France : 2 V (2.22%) Germany and Norway : 1 V (1.11%) Heart of the Swarm:Korea : 80 V (97.56%) Taiwan and France : 1 V (1.22%) Wings of Liberty:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Sweden : 6 V (6.82%) Poland and France : 4 V (4.55%) Canada : 3 V (3.41%) USA and Ukraine : 2 V (2.27%) Norway, Finland and Peru : 1 V (1.14%) Note 1: MorroW was playing Terran when he won a Premier and switched to Protoss way later. Note 2: Up-to-date since 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 (12/12/20) Just a couple of things: Korea in LoTV is at 71.11%(64/90), MarineKing won two MLG which means that he has two Premier titles, MorroW played Zerg after Terran(and before Protoss). Scarlett and Mana are the first generation pros who reached a Premier final in LoTV as well and are still active. Nerchio and Snute reached finals in LoTV but recently retired while Stephano and Dimaga are still playing but they haven't been able to reach finals again(with Stephano actually playing at a good level and going as far as ro8 in WCS Fall 2019 whereas Dimaga's best result in seven years has been a first round exit at HSC's groupstage). Ah, and under "statistics" on Liquipedia sc2, at the bottom of the page, there is a link to the list of the players who have won the most Majors: as expected, Neeb and Special dominate with 20 each.
Thank you Xain0n. I've corrected the OP.
To all criticizing the very concept of "Premier", I, as you can see some post above, is the first one to recognize that it is not a well tailored concept to grasp the best/more important tournaments: some majors are more important, all premiers are not equal. But I never pretend to write stats about the most important tournament.
My English is probably a bit to weak to participate in a discussion about Premier, but I wish such a conversation occur so that Liquipedians find better criteria in order to have a simple equation: Premier tournament = best/most important/most prestigious tournament.
I was thinking about that reading your comments actually and I do wonder if it would be feasible to assign a value to each tournament using the pool of players' Aligulac rating at the time of the tournament or something like that among the criteria.
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On December 15 2020 01:47 SmoKim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2020 01:01 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:46 Serimek wrote:Some time ago, I spent time counting final appearances and gold medals in Premier Tournaments according to this page (Premier in Liquipedia) (not including Team League tournaments). The post was in a topic, but I post it here again so it's easier to find for someone wanting the stats. So here we go! Starting with all the players above 10 final appearances :19 = Serral16 = MC15 = Stats14 = Dark, INnoVation, Life13 = TaeJa, Maru, Polt, MMA12 = soO, PartinG11 = Mvp, Reynor, Solar, sOs10 = Zest, herO (not LiquidHerO) And here are ALL the gold medals in Premier :13 = Serral11 = TaeJa10 = INnoVation, Life9 = MMA, Mvp, Maru8 = Polt7 = Rogue6 = Reynor, Neeb, MC, Zest5 = herO, LiquidHerO, Classic, Dark, Stats, Rain, Bomber, sOs, Solar4 = TY, Leenock, PartinG, Stephano3 = NesTea, PuMa, HuK, DongRaeGu, ByuN, Nerchio, soO2 = Scarlett, Hydra, Harstem, Jaedong, Snute, StarDust, Soulkey, Dear, HyuN, MaNa, Creator, viOLet, ThorZaIN, IdrA, Trap1 = MorroW, FruitDealer, Fenix (Peruvian), Genius, Jinro, Naama, SjoW, Ret, NaNiwa, White-Ra, DIMAGA, jjakji, MarineKing, aLive, Seed, Sniper, Sting, First, YoDa, RorO, Revival, duckdeok, San, Pigbaby, TRUE, Sacsri, Sen, Flash, GuMiho, Elazer ForGG, Lilbow, Curious, PtitDrogo, ShoWTimE, Clem, Astrea, uThermalA recap of Gold medals sorted by race :ALL TIME:ZERG: 93 V (35.77%) TERRAN: 88 V (33.85%) PROTOSS: 79 V (30.38%) Legacy of the Void:ZERG : 42 V (46.67%) TERRAN : 25 V (27.78%) PROTOSS : 23 V (25.56%) Heart of the Swarm:ZERG : 22 V (26.83%) TERRAN : 29 V (35.36%) PROTOSS : 31 V (37.80%) Wings of Liberty:ZERG : 29 V (32.95%) TERRAN : 34 V (38.64%) PROTOSS : 25 V (28.41%) Finally, a recap of Gold medals sorted by countries :ALL TIME:Korea : 208 V (80%) Finland : 14 V (5.38%) USA : 9 V (3.46%) France : 7 V (2.69%) Poland, Sweden and Italy : 6 V (2.31%) Canada : 5 V (1.92%) Ukraine and Netherlands : 3 V (1.15%) Norway : 2 V (0.78%) Germany, Taiwan and Peru : 1 V (0.38%) Legacy of the Void:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Finland : 13 V (14.44%) USA : 7 V (7.78%) Italy : 6 V (6.67%) Netherlands : 3 V (3.33%) Canada, Poland and France : 2 V (2.22%) Germany and Norway : 1 V (1.11%) Heart of the Swarm:Korea : 80 V (97.56%) Taiwan and France : 1 V (1.22%) Wings of Liberty:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Sweden : 6 V (6.82%) Poland and France : 4 V (4.55%) Canada : 3 V (3.41%) USA and Ukraine : 2 V (2.27%) Norway, Finland and Peru : 1 V (1.14%) Note 1: MorroW was playing Terran when he won a Premier and switched to Protoss way later. Note 2: Up-to-date since 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 (12/12/20) Just a couple of things: Korea in LoTV is at 71.11%(64/90), MarineKing won two MLG which means that he has two Premier titles, MorroW played Zerg after Terran(and before Protoss). Scarlett and Mana are the first generation pros who reached a Premier final in LoTV as well and are still active. Nerchio and Snute reached finals in LoTV but recently retired while Stephano and Dimaga are still playing but they haven't been able to reach finals again(with Stephano actually playing at a good level and going as far as ro8 in WCS Fall 2019 whereas Dimaga's best result in seven years has been a first round exit at HSC's groupstage). Ah, and under "statistics" on Liquipedia sc2, at the bottom of the page, there is a link to the list of the players who have won the most Majors: as expected, Neeb and Special dominate with 20 each. 10 years and i only see this now. Cheers!
Oh my! It's exactly the same for me. I feel so stupid that I spent time counting every thing for the OP... ah ah!
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On December 15 2020 02:39 Serimek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2020 01:47 SmoKim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2020 01:01 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:46 Serimek wrote:Some time ago, I spent time counting final appearances and gold medals in Premier Tournaments according to this page (Premier in Liquipedia) (not including Team League tournaments). The post was in a topic, but I post it here again so it's easier to find for someone wanting the stats. So here we go! Starting with all the players above 10 final appearances :19 = Serral16 = MC15 = Stats14 = Dark, INnoVation, Life13 = TaeJa, Maru, Polt, MMA12 = soO, PartinG11 = Mvp, Reynor, Solar, sOs10 = Zest, herO (not LiquidHerO) And here are ALL the gold medals in Premier :13 = Serral11 = TaeJa10 = INnoVation, Life9 = MMA, Mvp, Maru8 = Polt7 = Rogue6 = Reynor, Neeb, MC, Zest5 = herO, LiquidHerO, Classic, Dark, Stats, Rain, Bomber, sOs, Solar4 = TY, Leenock, PartinG, Stephano3 = NesTea, PuMa, HuK, DongRaeGu, ByuN, Nerchio, soO2 = Scarlett, Hydra, Harstem, Jaedong, Snute, StarDust, Soulkey, Dear, HyuN, MaNa, Creator, viOLet, ThorZaIN, IdrA, Trap1 = MorroW, FruitDealer, Fenix (Peruvian), Genius, Jinro, Naama, SjoW, Ret, NaNiwa, White-Ra, DIMAGA, jjakji, MarineKing, aLive, Seed, Sniper, Sting, First, YoDa, RorO, Revival, duckdeok, San, Pigbaby, TRUE, Sacsri, Sen, Flash, GuMiho, Elazer ForGG, Lilbow, Curious, PtitDrogo, ShoWTimE, Clem, Astrea, uThermalA recap of Gold medals sorted by race :ALL TIME:ZERG: 93 V (35.77%) TERRAN: 88 V (33.85%) PROTOSS: 79 V (30.38%) Legacy of the Void:ZERG : 42 V (46.67%) TERRAN : 25 V (27.78%) PROTOSS : 23 V (25.56%) Heart of the Swarm:ZERG : 22 V (26.83%) TERRAN : 29 V (35.36%) PROTOSS : 31 V (37.80%) Wings of Liberty:ZERG : 29 V (32.95%) TERRAN : 34 V (38.64%) PROTOSS : 25 V (28.41%) Finally, a recap of Gold medals sorted by countries :ALL TIME:Korea : 208 V (80%) Finland : 14 V (5.38%) USA : 9 V (3.46%) France : 7 V (2.69%) Poland, Sweden and Italy : 6 V (2.31%) Canada : 5 V (1.92%) Ukraine and Netherlands : 3 V (1.15%) Norway : 2 V (0.78%) Germany, Taiwan and Peru : 1 V (0.38%) Legacy of the Void:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Finland : 13 V (14.44%) USA : 7 V (7.78%) Italy : 6 V (6.67%) Netherlands : 3 V (3.33%) Canada, Poland and France : 2 V (2.22%) Germany and Norway : 1 V (1.11%) Heart of the Swarm:Korea : 80 V (97.56%) Taiwan and France : 1 V (1.22%) Wings of Liberty:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Sweden : 6 V (6.82%) Poland and France : 4 V (4.55%) Canada : 3 V (3.41%) USA and Ukraine : 2 V (2.27%) Norway, Finland and Peru : 1 V (1.14%) Note 1: MorroW was playing Terran when he won a Premier and switched to Protoss way later. Note 2: Up-to-date since 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 (12/12/20) Just a couple of things: Korea in LoTV is at 71.11%(64/90), MarineKing won two MLG which means that he has two Premier titles, MorroW played Zerg after Terran(and before Protoss). Scarlett and Mana are the first generation pros who reached a Premier final in LoTV as well and are still active. Nerchio and Snute reached finals in LoTV but recently retired while Stephano and Dimaga are still playing but they haven't been able to reach finals again(with Stephano actually playing at a good level and going as far as ro8 in WCS Fall 2019 whereas Dimaga's best result in seven years has been a first round exit at HSC's groupstage). Ah, and under "statistics" on Liquipedia sc2, at the bottom of the page, there is a link to the list of the players who have won the most Majors: as expected, Neeb and Special dominate with 20 each. 10 years and i only see this now. Cheers! Oh my! It's exactly the same for me. I feel so stupid that I spent time counting every thing for the OP... ah ah!
Oh don't worry, you didn't see them because they weren't there! They have been added in the last months.
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On December 15 2020 02:35 Serimek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2020 01:01 Xain0n wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2020 05:46 Serimek wrote:Some time ago, I spent time counting final appearances and gold medals in Premier Tournaments according to this page (Premier in Liquipedia) (not including Team League tournaments). The post was in a topic, but I post it here again so it's easier to find for someone wanting the stats. So here we go! Starting with all the players above 10 final appearances :19 = Serral16 = MC15 = Stats14 = Dark, INnoVation, Life13 = TaeJa, Maru, Polt, MMA12 = soO, PartinG11 = Mvp, Reynor, Solar, sOs10 = Zest, herO (not LiquidHerO) And here are ALL the gold medals in Premier :13 = Serral11 = TaeJa10 = INnoVation, Life9 = MMA, Mvp, Maru8 = Polt7 = Rogue6 = Reynor, Neeb, MC, Zest5 = herO, LiquidHerO, Classic, Dark, Stats, Rain, Bomber, sOs, Solar4 = TY, Leenock, PartinG, Stephano3 = NesTea, PuMa, HuK, DongRaeGu, ByuN, Nerchio, soO2 = Scarlett, Hydra, Harstem, Jaedong, Snute, StarDust, Soulkey, Dear, HyuN, MaNa, Creator, viOLet, ThorZaIN, IdrA, Trap1 = MorroW, FruitDealer, Fenix (Peruvian), Genius, Jinro, Naama, SjoW, Ret, NaNiwa, White-Ra, DIMAGA, jjakji, MarineKing, aLive, Seed, Sniper, Sting, First, YoDa, RorO, Revival, duckdeok, San, Pigbaby, TRUE, Sacsri, Sen, Flash, GuMiho, Elazer ForGG, Lilbow, Curious, PtitDrogo, ShoWTimE, Clem, Astrea, uThermalA recap of Gold medals sorted by race :ALL TIME:ZERG: 93 V (35.77%) TERRAN: 88 V (33.85%) PROTOSS: 79 V (30.38%) Legacy of the Void:ZERG : 42 V (46.67%) TERRAN : 25 V (27.78%) PROTOSS : 23 V (25.56%) Heart of the Swarm:ZERG : 22 V (26.83%) TERRAN : 29 V (35.36%) PROTOSS : 31 V (37.80%) Wings of Liberty:ZERG : 29 V (32.95%) TERRAN : 34 V (38.64%) PROTOSS : 25 V (28.41%) Finally, a recap of Gold medals sorted by countries :ALL TIME:Korea : 208 V (80%) Finland : 14 V (5.38%) USA : 9 V (3.46%) France : 7 V (2.69%) Poland, Sweden and Italy : 6 V (2.31%) Canada : 5 V (1.92%) Ukraine and Netherlands : 3 V (1.15%) Norway : 2 V (0.78%) Germany, Taiwan and Peru : 1 V (0.38%) Legacy of the Void:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Finland : 13 V (14.44%) USA : 7 V (7.78%) Italy : 6 V (6.67%) Netherlands : 3 V (3.33%) Canada, Poland and France : 2 V (2.22%) Germany and Norway : 1 V (1.11%) Heart of the Swarm:Korea : 80 V (97.56%) Taiwan and France : 1 V (1.22%) Wings of Liberty:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Sweden : 6 V (6.82%) Poland and France : 4 V (4.55%) Canada : 3 V (3.41%) USA and Ukraine : 2 V (2.27%) Norway, Finland and Peru : 1 V (1.14%) Note 1: MorroW was playing Terran when he won a Premier and switched to Protoss way later. Note 2: Up-to-date since 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 (12/12/20) Just a couple of things: Korea in LoTV is at 71.11%(64/90), MarineKing won two MLG which means that he has two Premier titles, MorroW played Zerg after Terran(and before Protoss). Scarlett and Mana are the first generation pros who reached a Premier final in LoTV as well and are still active. Nerchio and Snute reached finals in LoTV but recently retired while Stephano and Dimaga are still playing but they haven't been able to reach finals again(with Stephano actually playing at a good level and going as far as ro8 in WCS Fall 2019 whereas Dimaga's best result in seven years has been a first round exit at HSC's groupstage). Ah, and under "statistics" on Liquipedia sc2, at the bottom of the page, there is a link to the list of the players who have won the most Majors: as expected, Neeb and Special dominate with 20 each. Thank you Xain0n. I've corrected the OP. To all criticizing the very concept of "Premier", I, as you can see some post above, is the first one to recognize that it is not a well tailored concept to grasp the best/more important tournaments: some majors are more important, all premiers are not equal. But I never pretend to write stats about the most important tournament. My English is probably a bit to weak to participate in a discussion about Premier, but I wish such a conversation occur so that Liquipedians find better criteria in order to have a simple equation: Premier tournament = best/most important/most prestigious tournament. I was thinking about that reading your comments actually and I do wonder if it would be feasible to assign a value to each tournament using the pool of players' Aligulac rating at the time of the tournament or something like that among the criteria.
I wanted to edit and I posted this instead, nevermind.
Liquipedia's criteria are not perfect, of course, but they for sure point towards the right direction.
Aligulac's ratings inflate over time but using rankings instead of ratings we could attempt to compare tournaments from different eras; I could see "average ranking of participating players" been added as a criteria.
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On December 15 2020 03:16 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2020 02:39 Serimek wrote:On December 15 2020 01:47 SmoKim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2020 01:01 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:46 Serimek wrote:Some time ago, I spent time counting final appearances and gold medals in Premier Tournaments according to this page (Premier in Liquipedia) (not including Team League tournaments). The post was in a topic, but I post it here again so it's easier to find for someone wanting the stats. So here we go! Starting with all the players above 10 final appearances :19 = Serral16 = MC15 = Stats14 = Dark, INnoVation, Life13 = TaeJa, Maru, Polt, MMA12 = soO, PartinG11 = Mvp, Reynor, Solar, sOs10 = Zest, herO (not LiquidHerO) And here are ALL the gold medals in Premier :13 = Serral11 = TaeJa10 = INnoVation, Life9 = MMA, Mvp, Maru8 = Polt7 = Rogue6 = Reynor, Neeb, MC, Zest5 = herO, LiquidHerO, Classic, Dark, Stats, Rain, Bomber, sOs, Solar4 = TY, Leenock, PartinG, Stephano3 = NesTea, PuMa, HuK, DongRaeGu, ByuN, Nerchio, soO2 = Scarlett, Hydra, Harstem, Jaedong, Snute, StarDust, Soulkey, Dear, HyuN, MaNa, Creator, viOLet, ThorZaIN, IdrA, Trap1 = MorroW, FruitDealer, Fenix (Peruvian), Genius, Jinro, Naama, SjoW, Ret, NaNiwa, White-Ra, DIMAGA, jjakji, MarineKing, aLive, Seed, Sniper, Sting, First, YoDa, RorO, Revival, duckdeok, San, Pigbaby, TRUE, Sacsri, Sen, Flash, GuMiho, Elazer ForGG, Lilbow, Curious, PtitDrogo, ShoWTimE, Clem, Astrea, uThermalA recap of Gold medals sorted by race :ALL TIME:ZERG: 93 V (35.77%) TERRAN: 88 V (33.85%) PROTOSS: 79 V (30.38%) Legacy of the Void:ZERG : 42 V (46.67%) TERRAN : 25 V (27.78%) PROTOSS : 23 V (25.56%) Heart of the Swarm:ZERG : 22 V (26.83%) TERRAN : 29 V (35.36%) PROTOSS : 31 V (37.80%) Wings of Liberty:ZERG : 29 V (32.95%) TERRAN : 34 V (38.64%) PROTOSS : 25 V (28.41%) Finally, a recap of Gold medals sorted by countries :ALL TIME:Korea : 208 V (80%) Finland : 14 V (5.38%) USA : 9 V (3.46%) France : 7 V (2.69%) Poland, Sweden and Italy : 6 V (2.31%) Canada : 5 V (1.92%) Ukraine and Netherlands : 3 V (1.15%) Norway : 2 V (0.78%) Germany, Taiwan and Peru : 1 V (0.38%) Legacy of the Void:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Finland : 13 V (14.44%) USA : 7 V (7.78%) Italy : 6 V (6.67%) Netherlands : 3 V (3.33%) Canada, Poland and France : 2 V (2.22%) Germany and Norway : 1 V (1.11%) Heart of the Swarm:Korea : 80 V (97.56%) Taiwan and France : 1 V (1.22%) Wings of Liberty:Korea : 64 V (72.73%) Sweden : 6 V (6.82%) Poland and France : 4 V (4.55%) Canada : 3 V (3.41%) USA and Ukraine : 2 V (2.27%) Norway, Finland and Peru : 1 V (1.14%) Note 1: MorroW was playing Terran when he won a Premier and switched to Protoss way later. Note 2: Up-to-date since 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 (12/12/20) Just a couple of things: Korea in LoTV is at 71.11%(64/90), MarineKing won two MLG which means that he has two Premier titles, MorroW played Zerg after Terran(and before Protoss). Scarlett and Mana are the first generation pros who reached a Premier final in LoTV as well and are still active. Nerchio and Snute reached finals in LoTV but recently retired while Stephano and Dimaga are still playing but they haven't been able to reach finals again(with Stephano actually playing at a good level and going as far as ro8 in WCS Fall 2019 whereas Dimaga's best result in seven years has been a first round exit at HSC's groupstage). Ah, and under "statistics" on Liquipedia sc2, at the bottom of the page, there is a link to the list of the players who have won the most Majors: as expected, Neeb and Special dominate with 20 each. 10 years and i only see this now. Cheers! Oh my! It's exactly the same for me. I feel so stupid that I spent time counting every thing for the OP... ah ah! Oh don't worry, you didn't see them because they weren't there! They have been added in the last months.
Whoever did this is a hero 
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On December 15 2020 01:41 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2020 01:24 arcane1129 wrote:
The list is a bit misleading, as some premier tournaments really shouldn't be considered as such (Cross Finals, Inno's Gold Professional Championship), while some majors probably should be (some HSCs, recent ASUS ROG, recent Netease, etc). the entire metric of "liquipedia premier tournaments" is incredibly misleading, inaccurate and arbitrary but for some reason people continue to use it when talking about player achievements. I mean - it classes Blizzcon and DH NA in the same tier of tournaments.............. I wish we could move away from using this classification as reference
You seem to deem yourself the unofficial decider of which tournaments are irrelevant or not, which races are imbalanced or not, and which players are good or not.
Although your dislike for Serral has been well documented over the years, the facts are the facts. Please dont try to bring Trumpesque misinformation skewing to these discussions.
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On December 16 2020 08:22 Dave4 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2020 01:41 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2020 01:24 arcane1129 wrote:
The list is a bit misleading, as some premier tournaments really shouldn't be considered as such (Cross Finals, Inno's Gold Professional Championship), while some majors probably should be (some HSCs, recent ASUS ROG, recent Netease, etc). the entire metric of "liquipedia premier tournaments" is incredibly misleading, inaccurate and arbitrary but for some reason people continue to use it when talking about player achievements. I mean - it classes Blizzcon and DH NA in the same tier of tournaments.............. I wish we could move away from using this classification as reference You seem to deem yourself the unofficial decider of which tournaments are irrelevant or not, which races are imbalanced or not, and which players are good or not. Although your dislike for Serral has been well documented over the years, the facts are the facts. Please dont try to bring Trumpesque misinformation skewing to these discussions.
He does have a point regarding Premier classification, indeed comparing across eras of rather different tournament structures as well.
Makes for a fun jumping in point for discussion but as a league table of any value it’s almost worthless.
Could probably be helped by recategorising and adding another tier of tournament, like a grand slam/major you see in tennis or golf.
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On December 16 2020 08:22 Dave4 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2020 01:41 Charoisaur wrote:On December 15 2020 01:24 arcane1129 wrote:
The list is a bit misleading, as some premier tournaments really shouldn't be considered as such (Cross Finals, Inno's Gold Professional Championship), while some majors probably should be (some HSCs, recent ASUS ROG, recent Netease, etc). the entire metric of "liquipedia premier tournaments" is incredibly misleading, inaccurate and arbitrary but for some reason people continue to use it when talking about player achievements. I mean - it classes Blizzcon and DH NA in the same tier of tournaments.............. I wish we could move away from using this classification as reference You seem to deem yourself the unofficial decider of which tournaments are irrelevant or not, which races are imbalanced or not, and which players are good or not. Although your dislike for Serral has been well documented over the years, the facts are the facts. Please dont try to bring Trumpesque misinformation skewing to these discussions.
facts are facts? you realize the criteria for liquipedia premier events were also decided by the subjective opinions of liquipedia editors 10 years ago?
Nothing about them is a "fact"
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White-ra did win one ?
Cannot remember
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Zerg wasn't much more OP than Terran is now. EU Zerg is just OP and many of these Serral wins are in foreigner only events. You can discredit foreigner only events a bit though, just like you can discredit Kr only events a bit.
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On January 07 2021 05:09 ejozl wrote:
Zerg wasn't much more OP than Terran is now. EU Zerg is just OP and many of these Serral wins are in foreigner only events. You can discredit foreigner only events a bit though, just like you can discredit Kr only events a bit.
This post hurt my brain. Please stop.
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