Premier Tourneys final appearances and gold medals - Page 2

On December 12 2020 20:41 Serimek wrote:
With 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 , Stats is now the only player with 15 Premier finals, becoming the indisputable 3rd in that regard, four finals behind Serral and one away from MC.

Trap has now 8 final appearances and 2 Gold medals hanging around his neck. GGs to him!

He is now tied with fellow Protosses MaNa and Creator. In my opinion, it shows, considering his level, how much of an anomaly this low number of wins in Premier tournaments is.

On December 13 2020 00:40 dbRic1203 wrote:


Also Stats now has 10 2nd place finishes, 1 more than soO with 9.

On December 13 2020 13:21 NinjaNight wrote:
Serral doesn't count cause he's zerg in LOTV. Zerg in WoL or HoTS, fine. Zerg in LOTV? Not fine.

On December 13 2020 17:14 Serimek wrote:


Zerg won 42 out of 90 Premier in LOTV (46,7%). It is far from the ideal 33,3% one could expect, it's true.

But Serral won by himself 13 out of those 42 victories. It's 30,9 %. Almost a third of all Zerg victories (and 14,4% of all titles). That's huge man. You can not disregard Serral because of his race that easily.

On December 14 2020 20:28 Shuffleblade wrote:

Even if we subtract those 13 victories of Serral zerg still has more gold medals than the other races. Factor in that four of the finals Serral won was ZvZ, even if Serral lost those it would still be a zerg champion.

If you factor that in it is clear that looking at championship results zerg does look overpowered. Not saying they are, just saying its not all Serral. Obviously Serral is still a god and should be considered the fifth race.

Very interesting stats presented here, I don't care much from drawing conclusions only from championships but it is interesting.

On December 14 2020 22:17 Charoisaur wrote:

I mean in 2019 Zerg was blatantly overpowered, there's no discussion about it.
In 2018 and 2020 it looks very different and I don't think Zerg was too strong there.
keep in mind that the 4 WCS victories in 2018 were always going to be won by Serral because he had zero competition back then.
Pointless to make a stat about premier winners from 2018 to now when the balance changed so much in this period.


so Serral won 4 out of his "premier" championships according to Liquipedia (which I think is a terribly inaccurate and arbitrary metric but I will just go with it because that's what you're talking about) during a period where Zerg was blatantly imbalanced.

On November 30 2020 05:46 Serimek wrote:
Some time ago, I spent time counting final appearances and gold medals in Premier Tournaments according to this page (Premier in Liquipedia) (not including Team League tournaments). The post was in a topic, but I post it here again so it's easier to find for someone wanting the stats.

So here we go! Starting with all the players above 10 final appearances :

19 = Serral


16 = MC
15 = Stats
14 = Dark, INnoVation, Life
13 = TaeJa, Maru, Polt, MMA
12 = soO, PartinG
11 = Mvp, Reynor, Solar, sOs
10 = Zest, herO (not LiquidHerO)



And here are ALL the gold medals in Premier :

13 = Serral

11 = TaeJa
10 = INnoVation, Life
9 = MMA, Mvp, Maru
8 = Polt
7 = Rogue
6 = Reynor, Neeb, MC, Zest
5 = herO, LiquidHerO, Classic, Dark, Stats, Rain, Bomber, sOs, Solar
4 = TY, Leenock, PartinG, Stephano
3 = NesTea, PuMa, HuK, DongRaeGu, ByuN, Nerchio, soO
2 = Scarlett, Hydra, Harstem, Jaedong, Snute, StarDust, Soulkey, Dear, HyuN, MaNa, Creator, viOLet, ThorZaIN, IdrA, Trap
1 = MorroW, FruitDealer, Fenix (Peruvian), Genius, Jinro, Naama, SjoW, Ret, NaNiwa, White-Ra, DIMAGA, jjakji, MarineKing, aLive, Seed, Sniper, Sting, First, YoDa, RorO, Revival, duckdeok, San, Pigbaby, TRUE, Sacsri, Sen, Flash, GuMiho, Elazer ForGG, Lilbow, Curious, PtitDrogo, ShoWTimE, Clem, Astrea, uThermal



A recap of Gold medals sorted by race :


ALL TIME:

ZERG: 93 V (35.77%)
TERRAN: 88 V (33.85%)
PROTOSS: 79 V (30.38%)


Legacy of the Void:

ZERG : 42 V (46.67%)
TERRAN : 25 V (27.78%)
PROTOSS : 23 V (25.56%)


Heart of the Swarm:

ZERG : 22 V (26.83%)
TERRAN : 29 V (35.36%)
PROTOSS : 31 V (37.80%)


Wings of Liberty:

ZERG : 29 V (32.95%)
TERRAN : 34 V (38.64%)
PROTOSS : 25 V (28.41%)



Finally, a recap of Gold medals sorted by countries :


ALL TIME:

Korea : 208 V (80%)
Finland : 14 V (5.38%)
USA : 9 V (3.46%)
France : 7 V (2.69%)
Poland, Sweden and Italy : 6 V (2.31%)
Canada : 5 V (1.92%)
Ukraine and Netherlands : 3 V (1.15%)
Norway : 2 V (0.78%)
Germany, Taiwan and Peru : 1 V (0.38%)


Legacy of the Void:

Korea : 64 V (72.73%)
Finland : 13 V (14.44%)
USA : 7 V (7.78%)
Italy : 6 V (6.67%)
Netherlands : 3 V (3.33%)
Canada, Poland and France : 2 V (2.22%)
Germany and Norway : 1 V (1.11%)


Heart of the Swarm:

Korea : 80 V (97.56%)
Taiwan and France : 1 V (1.22%)


Wings of Liberty:

Korea : 64 V (72.73%)
Sweden : 6 V (6.82%)
Poland and France : 4 V (4.55%)
Canada : 3 V (3.41%)
USA and Ukraine : 2 V (2.27%)
Norway, Finland and Peru : 1 V (1.14%)



Note 1: MorroW was playing Terran when he won a Premier and switched to Protoss way later.
Note 2: Up-to-date since 2020 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 2 (12/12/20)

On December 14 2020 20:51 SmoKim wrote:
Interesting how there is almost a clear divide between early foreigners and later/current foreigners
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Foreigner Premier tournament winners: 1.generation:

1. Stephano

2. HuK
3. Nerchio

4. Snute
5. ThorZaIN
6. IdrA
7. Scarlett
8. MaNa

9. MorroW
10. Fenix
11. Jinro
12. Naama
13. SjoW
14. Ret
15. NaNiwa
16. White-Ra
17. DIMAGA
18. Sen
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Foreigner Premier tournament winners: 2.generation:

19. Serral

20. Reynor
21. Neeb

22. Harstem
23. Elazer
24. Lilbow
25. PtitDrogo
26. ShoWTimE
27. Clem
28. Astrea
29. uThermal

Only Scarlett and MaNa are the only premier winners who still competes vs the newer generation.
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Close but no Cigar: Silver medalists

Also think special mentioning for the foreigners who were close but never did achive a premier win.

Foreigners who got 2nd in Premier tournaments:

1. KiWiKaKi
2. qxc
3. Loner
4. TT1
5. elfi
6. XiGua
7. VortiX
8. Bly
9. Grubby
10. Adelscott
11. FireCake
12. MarineLorD
13. Has
14. SpeCial

Is it safe to say that these 43 foreigners are the best (foreign) players in SC2 so far?
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Edit: More foreigners!

So many great players not mention yet. Might as well make it a 100-list...

1. iAsonu
2. HeRoMaRinE
3. Kelazhur
4. TIME
5. TooDming
6. MaSa
7. Jim
8. TLO
9. MacSed
10. Lambo
11. Cyan
12. HasuObs
13. Bunny
14. SortOf
15. XY
16. Cham
17. puCK (now Nina)
18. Socke
19. Kas
20. Zanster
21. Happy
22. LucifroN
23. Welmu
24. iaguz
25. Probe
26. Nice
27. Namshar
28. JonSnow
29. SaSe
30. Killer
31. TargA
32. Soul
33. BRAT_OK
34. GunGFuBanDa
35. DeMusliM
36. Seither
37. ViBE
38. Future
39. Loner
40. Top
41. Denver
42. Petraeus
43. mOOnGLaDe
44. Kane
45. GoOdy
46. Suppy
47. Semper
48. ToD
49. JimRising
50. EnDerr
51. TitaN
52. PiG
53. FireFly
54. Strelok
55. sLivko
56. BlinG
57. BabyKnight
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Top 100 Foreigners? (mind you this is not my ranking from 1 to 100)

On December 14 2020 23:28 Shuffleblade wrote:

What is your point, do you have a point?

You are entering a thread listing statistics from a broad range of perspectives, including all time championsships by race throughout all of SC2 history.

You are replying to a discussion about wether Serral deserves being the players with the most premier championships in starcraft 2 or if his race makes him undeserving of inclusion in the statistics.

Your answer is that statistics are useless, that Serral won four tournaments in a period when zerg was strong and that Serrals win the following years shouldn't count because he was too good(?). So you are saying you agree with the original poster that Serral shouldn't count?

On December 15 2020 01:24 arcane1129 wrote:
The list is a bit misleading, as some premier tournaments really shouldn't be considered as such (Cross Finals, Inno's Gold Professional Championship), while some majors probably should be (some HSCs, recent ASUS ROG, recent Netease, etc).