When are you a good player?

On October 04 2020 05:51 [Phantom] wrote:
Forums, reddit, and TL have this tendency to say everyone sucks.

Frankly, iif you are above 50% of the population, you are good. Above average.

Now something more stric would be diamond.

Being in the top 25% of the players is good.

On October 04 2020 06:06 Charoisaur wrote:
only GSL winners can claim to be good players imo

On October 04 2020 06:21 [Phantom] wrote:
I think diamond players definitely know what they are doing and people underestimate all leagues in general. I think outside of the two lowest leagues players kinda know what they are doing. some may don't know, some may just do 1 buildorder well, but many of them could have another thing holding them back. Maybe someone he plays one match a day because he doesn't have much time. He watches the GSL, reads TL etc but he simply can't practice enough to increase his mechanical skill fast. Now, is this player good? Probably not, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have idea of what he is doing.

Some people also simply have a lower mechanicall skill cap. For you it might be masters, or diamond, or gold, who knows.

I think there are two levels of good, and of course it's relative.

The first level is of the casual player, the general population, aka, all of us. in this case, good I would say is GM, Masters, Diamond are good. (and maybe like I said above, anyone that's on the top of 50% of the playerbase could technically be considered good).

And then there's Pros, which you need to put them aside in a completely different category. There's no point in comparing them to the average player. They play all day, they get paid to play, the have no other major responsabilities, they can focus, they have practice partners etc. There's no comparison. Even then, there are different skill levels amongst pros too. In that sense, some pros could be bad relatively to another. Obviously, they would all be objectively good when compared to the playerbase, but they are so far removed from the average joe, that it's futile to compare them.

So yeah, Pros are good players. GSL winners are good players. That doesn't mean someone in master isn't a good player too.

On October 04 2020 06:28 Calliope wrote:


This kind of reductionistic crap ruined MOBAs for me. As a community that is already very toxic there is no need for the humour to be based around shitting on everyone. This is why regular sports will always be better than esports (that and the balance issues in esports).

I thought I was above average, but that thread showing the distribution of MMR showed that I was apparently right on the mean of my race (Z, so I was already carried by the meta to boot!). If you are +1SD or even +2SD there is no point in not celebrating that as being good. Let's be at least a little bit better than the MOBAs. Some people have jobs and priorities that are far more important than this game so we can at least admit that someone is good even if he is not a pro.

On October 04 2020 06:36 Calliope wrote:


I agree, my point was just that a toxic community throwing around "everyone sucks" crap isn't doing anyone any favours. Being good is a relative concept, "everyone sucks" is as meaningless as it is stupid.

On October 04 2020 04:55 Jan1997 wrote:
5k+ is good in my book. Anything lower and you are just a random goon.