The Code S RO24 concluded with a strong comeback performance from ByuN in Group F, who advanced to the RO16 in first place with victories over PartinG and Patience. ByuN brought several quirky openers and looked dangerous when attacking in the early-mid game, but his late-game loss to Patience suggested he might be in trouble should his TvP matches go long. In other words: not much has changed since two years ago? In any case, it's good to see the former BlizzCon champion back in action, and also back in form.
PartinG overcame his initial loss to ByuN to advance in second place, taking down Bunny and Patience to claim the last ticket to the RO16.
Contrary to reputation, Patience might actually have been the best macro-game player on the night, beating all three of the Group F players in lengthy macro games. Unfortunately for him, he lost a proxy vs proxy cheese-off in the deciding map against PartinG, thus narrowly missing the second round cut.
With the RO24 completed, the RO16 group selections were held immediately after with TY holding court as the #1 overall seed (due to having the most GSL points on the year). TY must have looked on with glee as Group D turned into group of death, with Rogue, INnoVation, Dark, and Trap forced to fight for two playoff spots. Fans will have to wait a while to see that particular group, however, as Group D will be played on October 10th, after the Chuseok holiday break.
The RO16 will begin on Wednesday, Sep 23 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) with Group A, featuring TY, Dream, Armani, and Zoun.
Poll: Group of Death?
(Vote): Group A (Vote): Group B (Vote): Group C (Vote): Group D (Vote): There is no Group of Death
These groups are CRAZYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY I am so freaking excited Is this the best RO16 ever? Could be close.
Even Group A, which is clearly the worst group, is still super exciting (usually Group A is a snoozefest compared to the other groups) because Dream and Zoun can definitely handle their own. Armani 0% of getting out, got lucky vs a washed up sOs and an overrated Cure who wont get out of the Ro16 again
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I was soooo disappointed TY didn’t/couldn’t use his authority as the top seed to swap Dark and Maru after everything else was done. You all know why. 😁
That being said, as a Protoss fan, I have a lot of hope for Trap this season... but geez dat Group D 😳
On September 17 2020 11:46 ShowTheLights wrote: These groups are CRAZYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY I am so freaking excited Is this the best RO16 ever? Could be close.
Even Group A, which is clearly the worst group, is still super exciting (usually Group A is a snoozefest compared to the other groups) because Dream and Zoun can definitely handle their own. Armani 0% of getting out, got lucky vs a washed up sOs and an overrated Cure who wont get out of the Ro16 again
I think strength of Groups go D > C > B > A
every year i feel like it's the best ro16 of all time lol. this time is NO DIFFERENT HELL YEAH this group of 16 players hell yes.
These Groups look absolutly insane D is obviously totally crazy but the other 3 also have great dynamics, will be great to watch.
I m also fine with Soo (and partly also sOs) not making it, as they were often realy hit or miss lately and made for kind of short, unexciting serieses in the past.
On September 17 2020 13:48 FabledIntegral wrote: Sorry not sure where else to post. I just started watching SC2 VIDS again but also frequently browse TL.net. I think there's a way to hide displaying these news blurbs for a bit but can't find it for the life of me. Can anyone help advise where to go?
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On September 17 2020 17:02 Poopi wrote: Group C is group of death for me, group D should be easy for Rogue and Dark so nothing to see there I think. Group A is free for TY
Rogue will roflstomp the group yes. But both Dark and Innovation are disappointing lately. I think any of the remaining 3 could advance here, especially if Trap steps up in his PvZ once.
On September 17 2020 17:02 Poopi wrote: Group C is group of death for me, group D should be easy for Rogue and Dark so nothing to see there I think. Group A is free for TY
Rogue will roflstomp the group yes. But both Dark and Innovation are disappointing lately. I think any of the remaining 3 could advance here, especially if Trap steps up in his PvZ once.
On September 17 2020 17:26 kajtarp wrote: Rogue will roflstomp the group yes. But both Dark and Innovation are disappointing lately. I think any of the remaining 3 could advance here, especially if Trap steps up in his PvZ once.
It depends on which Rogue shows up. He has a normal post-championship slump, so he might not be practicing as hard as normal. Hell, he even said in his winner's interview that he wants to take this season easy since he was so stressed practicing last season.
If worldbeater Rogue shows up though, he's a safe favorite to make it out. He usually does well against Dark, I'm assuming he's confident against InNoVation since he picked him first, and Trap would have to win 2 PvZs to get out first, which I just don't see happening. Either way, the 1 week Thanksgiving break between the 2 sets of groups is going to be so painful! At least every group gets progressively more interesting.
Holy shit at groups C and D!!!! How do you even prepare for that? Given how differently Parting plays, group C basically counts as having 4 different races!
I dunno if I share the excitement for group C. It kinda has 2 clear favorites, no? Maru and Stats will advance I think. Parting is not the player he was a couple months ago and Byun surprised me by advancing first but honestly he wasnt that impressive.
The other groups though...they are impossible to predict. Group D is very dependent on which Rogue shows up. If the championship Rogue he will destroy this group. Trap while I respect him and think he is the best protoss and probably has the best PvZ, I dont believe he has a chance here (0 chance beating Rogue and he isnt that hot against Dark or Inno usually either)
TY picked Dream saying that Dream labeled him as a 4th best Terran, but in his interview with Gyuri he says the tierlist is: TY > Inno > Cure > Maru. Any idea why this discrepancy?
Oof my boy Trap, that’s rough. Well ok not my boy, Gemini’s, although I’m a big fan.
With his 2 finals and him tying TY’s run of consecutive Ro8s, he’s probably the second most deserving player of a GSL who hasn’t got one yet. Ironically soO doesn’t come second in that particular competition.
On the other hand, his PvZ is better these days and big picture if the cards fall right and him and Inno take out both Rogue and Dark, his chances shoot up in playoffs.
Zergs, even the best around are way more doable in Bo3s where the Protoss needs fewer good builds and Zergs have to prepare for multiple matchups than the horrors of facing them at final boss level in a bo7.
Group C is disgusting as well, as much negativity as there is swirling around this dead, lifeless game there’s some bloody talent on show.
Looking a little further ahead what matchups would you fine folks potentially like to see come the playoffs?
TY facing off against Trap has been one I’ve been hoping will happen for a while. Parting has had some great results with his particular style of PvT, until he ran into TY countering them and I’d love to see what the latter would prep against Trap, who I think is the strongest orthodox PvTer around.
ByuN or Zoun vs anyone would be hype, and I’d love to see DRG continue his return to the top.
On September 17 2020 22:36 nerdchill wrote: This might be one of the best GSL RO16s in a long time. Group A is a bit soft. But the rest of the groups are stacked. Damn! :D :D :D
that being said, group a is also hard to call. ty sure, but after that?? how many liquibets have i wasted on dream...
On September 17 2020 22:52 Waxangel wrote: Even though Group A is always the group of life after they gave the #1 seed two picks, it's still prolly the most difficult it's been in a while
On September 17 2020 22:52 Waxangel wrote: Even though Group A is always the group of life after they gave the #1 seed two picks, it's still prolly the most difficult it's been in a while
I think Group A is about the same every season this year tbh. Like it's Dark-Dear-TaeJa-Scarlett, TY-DRG-Scarlett-SpeCial and now TY-Dream-Armani-Zoun. Don't think that's that different. Probably one of the consequences of cutting Code S from 32 to 28 is that even the group of life isn't always a total meme.
Also even though Armani and Zoun won their groups TY called them the 15th and 16th best player in the Ro16. So their best chance is probably being underestimated rather than their actual skill level.
On September 17 2020 22:52 Waxangel wrote: Even though Group A is always the group of life after they gave the #1 seed two picks, it's still prolly the most difficult it's been in a while
I think Group A is about the same every season this year tbh. Like it's Dark-Dear-TaeJa-Scarlett, TY-DRG-Scarlett-SpeCial and now TY-Dream-Armani-Zoun. Don't think that's that different. Probably one of the consequences of cutting Code S from 32 to 28 is that even the group of life isn't always a total meme.
Also even though Armani and Zoun won their groups TY called them the 15th and 16th best player in the Ro16. So their best chance is probably being underestimated rather than their actual skill level.
While I mostly agree with you, I must add to that that Zoun actually has displayed great preperation skills in GTC, wich makes him a little bit more dangerous than your average 16th best player in terms of raw skill.
On September 17 2020 22:52 Waxangel wrote: Even though Group A is always the group of life after they gave the #1 seed two picks, it's still prolly the most difficult it's been in a while
I think Group A is about the same every season this year tbh. Like it's Dark-Dear-TaeJa-Scarlett, TY-DRG-Scarlett-SpeCial and now TY-Dream-Armani-Zoun. Don't think that's that different. Probably one of the consequences of cutting Code S from 32 to 28 is that even the group of life isn't always a total meme.
Also even though Armani and Zoun won their groups TY called them the 15th and 16th best player in the Ro16. So their best chance is probably being underestimated rather than their actual skill level.
While I mostly agree with you, I must add to that that Zoun actually has displayed great preperation skills in GTC, wich makes him a little bit more dangerous than your average 16th best player in terms of raw skill.
Well I think in general the 16th best player in the Ro16 is there because they're good at prep and maybe play a bit weird and not necessarily because they're the 16th best player in Korea.
On September 17 2020 22:52 Waxangel wrote: Even though Group A is always the group of life after they gave the #1 seed two picks, it's still prolly the most difficult it's been in a while
I guess it will change. let say, if Rogue is on the top seed for the first time, picking up someone like Inno or Dark in Group A, making the group no longer a group of life.
I dont get why people still disrespect Byuns late game. Agree he didnt look great here but give him a break he just got back. He earned Ghost King nickname. He had absolutely god tier tvp late game back in the day no reason to think he wont again.
On September 18 2020 03:36 DomeGetta wrote: I dont get why people still disrespect Byuns late game. Agree he didnt look great here but give him a break he just got back. He earned Ghost King nickname. He had absolutely god tier tvp late game back in the day no reason to think he wont again.
he earned all the respect in the world in his first matches. maybe the lr thread was hating on his lategame? i don't get that. he saw timings, he pounced. he knows how to find his kill shots
also don't think people appreciate how tough TvP late game is on this map pool. When Inno is dropping games to Zoun and Hurricane and Maru loses a BO5 to Parting, going 4-2 vs Parting and Patience actually looks really good.
On September 18 2020 03:36 DomeGetta wrote: I dont get why people still disrespect Byuns late game. Agree he didnt look great here but give him a break he just got back. He earned Ghost King nickname. He had absolutely god tier tvp late game back in the day no reason to think he wont again.
Yeah he'll have god tier late game like the last resurgence he had where all he did was make reapers
B: DRG, again, with some other well-known names like Zest. Can it get better? How?
C: What ... Maru, Parting, Stats, AND Byun??? It this real?
D: Rogue and Dark in the same group. And Trap. And, to spoil the party, Innovation.
This. is. madness.
This is a group of 16 where everything aligns. New blood, the old guard, ruthless killers, multitime champions and Blizzcon winners. This might be the actual golden age of SC2.
On September 18 2020 03:36 DomeGetta wrote: I dont get why people still disrespect Byuns late game. Agree he didnt look great here but give him a break he just got back. He earned Ghost King nickname. He had absolutely god tier tvp late game back in the day no reason to think he wont again.
he earned all the respect in the world in his first matches. maybe the lr thread was hating on his lategame? i don't get that. he saw timings, he pounced. he knows how to find his kill shots
He’s not bad per se, at all. His micro chops just don’t scale into blob vs blob situations
Even at this early stage of his comeback, already there are few players I’d want to face less than ByuN in the early game or in some 3 base sub 140 supply situation.
He’s not exactly deficient in other areas, but his strengths are in eking out those efficient trades with micro few others can match.
At a much lower level my proficiency back in WoL was microing small groups of units, WC3 background and all. So in a 4 gate war my win rate was huge, but that levelled out a lot in larger scale engagements. Only so much micro one can do in deathball vs deathball
On September 18 2020 03:36 DomeGetta wrote: I dont get why people still disrespect Byuns late game. Agree he didnt look great here but give him a break he just got back. He earned Ghost King nickname. He had absolutely god tier tvp late game back in the day no reason to think he wont again.
he earned all the respect in the world in his first matches. maybe the lr thread was hating on his lategame? i don't get that. he saw timings, he pounced. he knows how to find his kill shots
He’s not bad per se, at all. His micro chops just don’t scale into blob vs blob situations
Even at this early stage of his comeback, already there are few players I’d want to face less than ByuN in the early game or in some 3 base sub 140 supply situation.
He’s not exactly deficient in other areas, but his strengths are in eking out those efficient trades with micro few others can match.
At a much lower level my proficiency back in WoL was microing small groups of units, WC3 background and all. So in a 4 gate war my win rate was huge, but that levelled out a lot in larger scale engagements. Only so much micro one can do in deathball vs deathball
Pretty much sums it up perhaps .. BuyN can macro when he focuses on it obviously, but in the recent games yesterday he had a good amount of idle workers. He still won handily and you could see by the looks on Partings and Patience faces that his play got to them on a personal level.
E-bay blocking the natural is not going to work in the next round. What ever happens it is going to be fun. Group C is completely random in my mind. As is group D which I also wouldn't even dare to predict.
On September 18 2020 03:36 DomeGetta wrote: I dont get why people still disrespect Byuns late game. Agree he didnt look great here but give him a break he just got back. He earned Ghost King nickname. He had absolutely god tier tvp late game back in the day no reason to think he wont again.
he earned all the respect in the world in his first matches. maybe the lr thread was hating on his lategame? i don't get that. he saw timings, he pounced. he knows how to find his kill shots
He’s not bad per se, at all. His micro chops just don’t scale into blob vs blob situations
Even at this early stage of his comeback, already there are few players I’d want to face less than ByuN in the early game or in some 3 base sub 140 supply situation.
He’s not exactly deficient in other areas, but his strengths are in eking out those efficient trades with micro few others can match.
At a much lower level my proficiency back in WoL was microing small groups of units, WC3 background and all. So in a 4 gate war my win rate was huge, but that levelled out a lot in larger scale engagements. Only so much micro one can do in deathball vs deathball
Pretty much sums it up perhaps .. BuyN can macro when he focuses on it obviously, but in the recent games yesterday he had a good amount of idle workers. He still won handily and you could see by the looks on Partings and Patience faces that his play got to them on a personal level.
E-bay blocking the natural is not going to work in the next round. What ever happens it is going to be fun. Group C is completely random in my mind. As is group D which I also wouldn't even dare to predict.
The smart play next round is to eBay block into eco cheese behind it, mind game it up to!
His macro in terms of spending his money is still pretty exemplary, he’s just not quite nailing the transitions and covering further expansions yet.
I mean still looks pretty bloody good. A combo of ByuN playing the early thru mid game and handing over to TY for late and good luck Protosses.
Not that Maru or Inno are slouches and TY doesn’t often get to the lategame unscathed but I think in a purely isolated sense he looks super strong when he does.
Of course Maru in the past has shown he can straddle both worlds in the ‘I can micro and pressure better than anyone’ combined with a brutal lategame, hasn’t shown that level for a while now sadly.
On September 18 2020 08:37 tskarzyn wrote: also don't think people appreciate how tough TvP late game is on this map pool. When Inno is dropping games to Zoun and Hurricane and Maru loses a BO5 to Parting, going 4-2 vs Parting and Patience actually looks really good.
I don't think map pool has anything to do with it. imo the issue with late game TvP is due to the amount of splash damage protoss can utilize and terran bio is especially vulnerable to splash dmg.
Group A: It is nice to see group of life memes but I believe this group will deliver the most fun, wonky games/upsets. I am looking forward to watch the matches. People banking on TY and expect others to mud fight for the second place but I can see this may not be happening. Group B: Anti-hype group. It'll be heartbreaking to see Zest will get rekt in PvZs and 2 zergs will advance.(stop booing me~) Group C: Absolute madness. I think this is the hardest group to predict and advance imo(contrary to D as everyone expects). Byun popping out of nowhere and slapping Parting made me confused. Byun & Parting can micro themselves to ro8 or failed miserable to other 3 players. Any one of 4 players can pull of a series from the others. Group D: I don't see how people see this as group of death since Rogue will take the first place and trap/inno will fight against the zerg flood of units to survive. My protoss heart says Trap, my CPU says Innovation as the second place.
On September 18 2020 03:36 DomeGetta wrote: I dont get why people still disrespect Byuns late game. Agree he didnt look great here but give him a break he just got back. He earned Ghost King nickname. He had absolutely god tier tvp late game back in the day no reason to think he wont again.
he earned all the respect in the world in his first matches. maybe the lr thread was hating on his lategame? i don't get that. he saw timings, he pounced. he knows how to find his kill shots
He’s not bad per se, at all. His micro chops just don’t scale into blob vs blob situations
Even at this early stage of his comeback, already there are few players I’d want to face less than ByuN in the early game or in some 3 base sub 140 supply situation.
He’s not exactly deficient in other areas, but his strengths are in eking out those efficient trades with micro few others can match.
At a much lower level my proficiency back in WoL was microing small groups of units, WC3 background and all. So in a 4 gate war my win rate was huge, but that levelled out a lot in larger scale engagements. Only so much micro one can do in deathball vs deathball
Pretty much sums it up perhaps .. BuyN can macro when he focuses on it obviously, but in the recent games yesterday he had a good amount of idle workers. He still won handily and you could see by the looks on Partings and Patience faces that his play got to them on a personal level.
E-bay blocking the natural is not going to work in the next round. What ever happens it is going to be fun. Group C is completely random in my mind. As is group D which I also wouldn't even dare to predict.
The smart play next round is to eBay block into eco cheese behind it, mind game it up to!
His macro in terms of spending his money is still pretty exemplary, he’s just not quite nailing the transitions and covering further expansions yet.
I mean still looks pretty bloody good. A combo of ByuN playing the early thru mid game and handing over to TY for late and good luck Protosses.
Not that Maru or Inno are slouches and TY doesn’t often get to the lategame unscathed but I think in a purely isolated sense he looks super strong when he does.
Of course Maru in the past has shown he can straddle both worlds in the ‘I can micro and pressure better than anyone’ combined with a brutal lategame, hasn’t shown that level for a while now sadly.
ByuN shows in the blob situations acutally way less micro than he's known for. At least pre-military ByuN was bathing in storms. It would be interesting what he will show. Interestingly he's strongest in early game micro and goes against other micro gods, so byt the Code S laws it should be either super exciting or the biggest entertaining failure.
Very lop sided groups. It is kinda unfair. Group D is just madness. Dark with his injury may not succed to qualify to katowice. I cant think of worst opponents for him than Rogue and Inno.
ESL fcked up very bad for not giving out points to Gsl super tourney , instead they give points to low prestige (sometimes invite based) cross server online tourneys. Unfair to Dark and Maru.
On September 18 2020 03:36 DomeGetta wrote: I dont get why people still disrespect Byuns late game. Agree he didnt look great here but give him a break he just got back. He earned Ghost King nickname. He had absolutely god tier tvp late game back in the day no reason to think he wont again.
he earned all the respect in the world in his first matches. maybe the lr thread was hating on his lategame? i don't get that. he saw timings, he pounced. he knows how to find his kill shots
He’s not bad per se, at all. His micro chops just don’t scale into blob vs blob situations
Even at this early stage of his comeback, already there are few players I’d want to face less than ByuN in the early game or in some 3 base sub 140 supply situation.
He’s not exactly deficient in other areas, but his strengths are in eking out those efficient trades with micro few others can match.
At a much lower level my proficiency back in WoL was microing small groups of units, WC3 background and all. So in a 4 gate war my win rate was huge, but that levelled out a lot in larger scale engagements. Only so much micro one can do in deathball vs deathball
Pretty much sums it up perhaps .. BuyN can macro when he focuses on it obviously, but in the recent games yesterday he had a good amount of idle workers. He still won handily and you could see by the looks on Partings and Patience faces that his play got to them on a personal level.
E-bay blocking the natural is not going to work in the next round. What ever happens it is going to be fun. Group C is completely random in my mind. As is group D which I also wouldn't even dare to predict.
The smart play next round is to eBay block into eco cheese behind it, mind game it up to!
His macro in terms of spending his money is still pretty exemplary, he’s just not quite nailing the transitions and covering further expansions yet.
I mean still looks pretty bloody good. A combo of ByuN playing the early thru mid game and handing over to TY for late and good luck Protosses.
Not that Maru or Inno are slouches and TY doesn’t often get to the lategame unscathed but I think in a purely isolated sense he looks super strong when he does.
Of course Maru in the past has shown he can straddle both worlds in the ‘I can micro and pressure better than anyone’ combined with a brutal lategame, hasn’t shown that level for a while now sadly.
ByuN shows in the blob situations acutally way less micro than he's known for. At least pre-military ByuN was bathing in storms. It would be interesting what he will show. Interestingly he's strongest in early game micro and goes against other micro gods, so byt the Code S laws it should be either super exciting or the biggest entertaining failure.
I mean as I said flashy micro scales badly, blob v blob there’s less you can do. More about positioning then.
You could almost map Byun and Parting on the same scale come to think of it where their micro is absolutely godly up to a supply threshold and then they’re just another Terran/Protoss in blob situations.
Or Clem in TvZ for another one. Sure they’re all not slouches in controlling big engagements but they absolutely shine when they can micro the arse out of smaller skirmishes.
Byun probably shouldn’t have beaten Patience, but he showed killer instinct. Game 1 Patience was clawing from behind and eventually got to deathballs that Byun couldn’t trade well with despite his best micro and he bled out. Game 3 Patience didn’t take the same damage and was well set up but made a mistake and got pounced on.
Was still well played by Byun for sure but based on current showings the step up to beating Stats or Trap if they can negotiate the early thru midgame phase, they’re way way less sloppy than Patience.
Again this isn’t that Byun can’t play lategame, just his strengths are in unfathomable micro earlier on, and the sheer damage output of balls gradually lessens that.
On September 18 2020 20:48 Shathe wrote: Very lop sided groups. It is kinda unfair. Group D is just madness. Dark with his injury may not succed to qualify to katowice. I cant think of worst opponents for him than Rogue and Inno.
ESL fcked up very bad for not giving out points to Gsl super tourney , instead they give points to low prestige (sometimes invite based) cross server online tourneys. Unfair to Dark and Maru.
They did that bullshit on purpose. Dont believe the nonsense that it was a mistake...
On September 18 2020 03:36 DomeGetta wrote: I dont get why people still disrespect Byuns late game. Agree he didnt look great here but give him a break he just got back. He earned Ghost King nickname. He had absolutely god tier tvp late game back in the day no reason to think he wont again.
he earned all the respect in the world in his first matches. maybe the lr thread was hating on his lategame? i don't get that. he saw timings, he pounced. he knows how to find his kill shots
He’s not bad per se, at all. His micro chops just don’t scale into blob vs blob situations
Even at this early stage of his comeback, already there are few players I’d want to face less than ByuN in the early game or in some 3 base sub 140 supply situation.
He’s not exactly deficient in other areas, but his strengths are in eking out those efficient trades with micro few others can match.
At a much lower level my proficiency back in WoL was microing small groups of units, WC3 background and all. So in a 4 gate war my win rate was huge, but that levelled out a lot in larger scale engagements. Only so much micro one can do in deathball vs deathball
Pretty much sums it up perhaps .. BuyN can macro when he focuses on it obviously, but in the recent games yesterday he had a good amount of idle workers. He still won handily and you could see by the looks on Partings and Patience faces that his play got to them on a personal level.
E-bay blocking the natural is not going to work in the next round. What ever happens it is going to be fun. Group C is completely random in my mind. As is group D which I also wouldn't even dare to predict.
The smart play next round is to eBay block into eco cheese behind it, mind game it up to!
His macro in terms of spending his money is still pretty exemplary, he’s just not quite nailing the transitions and covering further expansions yet.
I mean still looks pretty bloody good. A combo of ByuN playing the early thru mid game and handing over to TY for late and good luck Protosses.
Not that Maru or Inno are slouches and TY doesn’t often get to the lategame unscathed but I think in a purely isolated sense he looks super strong when he does.
Of course Maru in the past has shown he can straddle both worlds in the ‘I can micro and pressure better than anyone’ combined with a brutal lategame, hasn’t shown that level for a while now sadly.
ByuN shows in the blob situations acutally way less micro than he's known for. At least pre-military ByuN was bathing in storms. It would be interesting what he will show. Interestingly he's strongest in early game micro and goes against other micro gods, so byt the Code S laws it should be either super exciting or the biggest entertaining failure.
I mean as I said flashy micro scales badly, blob v blob there’s less you can do. More about positioning then.
You could almost map Byun and Parting on the same scale come to think of it where their micro is absolutely godly up to a supply threshold and then they’re just another Terran/Protoss in blob situations.
Or Clem in TvZ for another one. Sure they’re all not slouches in controlling big engagements but they absolutely shine when they can micro the arse out of smaller skirmishes.
Byun probably shouldn’t have beaten Patience, but he showed killer instinct. Game 1 Patience was clawing from behind and eventually got to deathballs that Byun couldn’t trade well with despite his best micro and he bled out. Game 3 Patience didn’t take the same damage and was well set up but made a mistake and got pounced on.
Was still well played by Byun for sure but based on current showings the step up to beating Stats or Trap if they can negotiate the early thru midgame phase, they’re way way less sloppy than Patience.
Again this isn’t that Byun can’t play lategame, just his strengths are in unfathomable micro earlier on, and the sheer damage output of balls gradually lessens that.
Weird, i always associated Byun with his unmatched ability to play ghost-heavy lategame.
On September 18 2020 03:36 DomeGetta wrote: I dont get why people still disrespect Byuns late game. Agree he didnt look great here but give him a break he just got back. He earned Ghost King nickname. He had absolutely god tier tvp late game back in the day no reason to think he wont again.
he earned all the respect in the world in his first matches. maybe the lr thread was hating on his lategame? i don't get that. he saw timings, he pounced. he knows how to find his kill shots
He’s not bad per se, at all. His micro chops just don’t scale into blob vs blob situations
Even at this early stage of his comeback, already there are few players I’d want to face less than ByuN in the early game or in some 3 base sub 140 supply situation.
He’s not exactly deficient in other areas, but his strengths are in eking out those efficient trades with micro few others can match.
At a much lower level my proficiency back in WoL was microing small groups of units, WC3 background and all. So in a 4 gate war my win rate was huge, but that levelled out a lot in larger scale engagements. Only so much micro one can do in deathball vs deathball
Pretty much sums it up perhaps .. BuyN can macro when he focuses on it obviously, but in the recent games yesterday he had a good amount of idle workers. He still won handily and you could see by the looks on Partings and Patience faces that his play got to them on a personal level.
E-bay blocking the natural is not going to work in the next round. What ever happens it is going to be fun. Group C is completely random in my mind. As is group D which I also wouldn't even dare to predict.
The smart play next round is to eBay block into eco cheese behind it, mind game it up to!
His macro in terms of spending his money is still pretty exemplary, he’s just not quite nailing the transitions and covering further expansions yet.
I mean still looks pretty bloody good. A combo of ByuN playing the early thru mid game and handing over to TY for late and good luck Protosses.
Not that Maru or Inno are slouches and TY doesn’t often get to the lategame unscathed but I think in a purely isolated sense he looks super strong when he does.
Of course Maru in the past has shown he can straddle both worlds in the ‘I can micro and pressure better than anyone’ combined with a brutal lategame, hasn’t shown that level for a while now sadly.
ByuN shows in the blob situations acutally way less micro than he's known for. At least pre-military ByuN was bathing in storms. It would be interesting what he will show. Interestingly he's strongest in early game micro and goes against other micro gods, so byt the Code S laws it should be either super exciting or the biggest entertaining failure.
I mean as I said flashy micro scales badly, blob v blob there’s less you can do. More about positioning then.
You could almost map Byun and Parting on the same scale come to think of it where their micro is absolutely godly up to a supply threshold and then they’re just another Terran/Protoss in blob situations.
Or Clem in TvZ for another one. Sure they’re all not slouches in controlling big engagements but they absolutely shine when they can micro the arse out of smaller skirmishes.
Byun probably shouldn’t have beaten Patience, but he showed killer instinct. Game 1 Patience was clawing from behind and eventually got to deathballs that Byun couldn’t trade well with despite his best micro and he bled out. Game 3 Patience didn’t take the same damage and was well set up but made a mistake and got pounced on.
Was still well played by Byun for sure but based on current showings the step up to beating Stats or Trap if they can negotiate the early thru midgame phase, they’re way way less sloppy than Patience.
Again this isn’t that Byun can’t play lategame, just his strengths are in unfathomable micro earlier on, and the sheer damage output of balls gradually lessens that.
Weird, i always associated Byun with his unmatched ability to play ghost-heavy lategame.
Well yeah, he can get there. That’s like going back to WoL times though
If Trap was swapped with Maru or even Status, Group D would have 4 of the top 10 greatest sc2 players of all time xD And if COVID wasn't happening, I would have loved to see the audience for that one
Group D is group of death in terms of the best all time players, Group C is sick as well though if we're just talking current skill and how closely match each player is.
On September 18 2020 17:24 Laserist wrote: Group A: It is nice to see group of life memes but I believe this group will deliver the most fun, wonky games/upsets. I am looking forward to watch the matches. People banking on TY and expect others to mud fight for the second place but I can see this may not be happening. Group B: Anti-hype group. It'll be heartbreaking to see Zest will get rekt in PvZs and 2 zergs will advance.(stop booing me~) Group C: Absolute madness. I think this is the hardest group to predict and advance imo(contrary to D as everyone expects). Byun popping out of nowhere and slapping Parting made me confused. Byun & Parting can micro themselves to ro8 or failed miserable to other 3 players. Any one of 4 players can pull of a series from the others. Group D: I don't see how people see this as group of death since Rogue will take the first place and trap/inno will fight against the zerg flood of units to survive. My protoss heart says Trap, my CPU says Innovation as the second place.
EPT
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ByuN in Group F, who advanced to the RO16 in first place with victories over PartinG and Patience. ByuN brought several quirky openers and looked dangerous when attacking in the early-mid game, but his late-game loss to Patience suggested he might be in trouble should his TvP matches go long. In other words: not much has changed since two years ago? In any case, it's good to see the former BlizzCon champion back in action, and also back in form.
