EPTGSL Ro24 groups announced - Page 3
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rednusa
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CreightonOlsen
United States366 Posts
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
On April 06 2020 16:35 Elentos wrote: If there is a group of death it's definitely not B. ? Rogue and Innovation are probably the 2 strongest players in the tournament in the same group | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On April 06 2020 23:31 NinjaNight wrote: ? Rogue and Innovation are probably the 2 strongest players in the tournament in the same group Isn't group of death a group where you cannot predict the outcome while having the best possible players? In this case the group isn't a group of death for Rogue or Inno, isn't it? Maybe we need to define the term properly before starting to vote about it  | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On April 06 2020 23:31 NinjaNight wrote: ? Rogue and Innovation are probably the 2 strongest players in the tournament in the same group And Scarlett and TOP are two of the weakest (TOP easily the weakest player in Code S in years), if Inno and Rogue do their homework the threat to them is non-existent. Hence it's not a group of death. Not in the way I understand the term anyway. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On April 06 2020 23:35 Elentos wrote: And Scarlett and TOP are two of the weakest (TOP easily the weakest player in Code S in years), if Inno and Rogue do their homework the threat to them is non-existent. Hence it's not a group of death. Not in the way I understand the term anyway. Yeah... I mean for me the Group of death is the one with the strongest players. And the strongest player in this round is Rogue hands down. And he has Inno in his group who is in the next category of top players of this round with likes of Zest, Cure, sOs maybe. So that alone might indicate that this group is the strongest. But you are right in a regard that it has 2 clear favorites, so it can be a group of death only to those who value Scarlett extremely high and give her a realistic chance of progressing to the next stage. | ||
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dysenterymd
1250 Posts
I also think Scarlett has some upset potential. ZvZ is ZvZ and if Rogue is still in his post championship malaise, she could maybe eke out a win there, and despite having alright results Inno has looked vulnerable in TvZ. I still think she'll lose, but she is a famously high variance player and could disrupt things. | ||
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yubo56
690 Posts
On April 06 2020 17:35 dbRic1203 wrote: He still is. Probably just a mistake from AfreecaTV  TY is playing for TSG RIGHT NOW:  Netease Esports X Tournaments/2020/SpringEdit: Stream: https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Special:Stream/douyu/NetEase Well, given the recent news https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/558440-ty-today-left-tsgamingEdit: oops should have read the second page haha. Does this mean TY will stream on Twitch again? His viewer numbers always seemed lower on Afreeca | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On April 07 2020 00:09 dysenterymd wrote: Why do people view TOP as a uniquely weak player? Does anyone have more info on his current form? Feels like he's done about as little as, say, DRG recently, not that I expect either to achieve anything. I also think Scarlett has some upset potential. ZvZ is ZvZ and if Rogue is still in his post championship malaise, she could maybe eke out a win there, and despite having alright results Inno has looked vulnerable in TvZ. I still think she'll lose, but she is a famously high variance player and could disrupt things. I just assume that TOP, who was only a truly championship level player for a brief moment many years ago, would still be relatively weak after many years of not competing at the highest level. He could always give us a pleasant surprise. But in no case is he regarded as being in the same category as Rogue or Innovation or Scarlett. Scarlett has shown repeatedly that she absolutely 100% can go toe-to-toe with the best of the best when she's at the top of her form. I personally really love seeing her in that kind of form. But from the looks of the qualifier brackets, she really struggled for her spot, getting ejected from her Day 1 bracket by DynaMite and Taeja (another excellent player who I'm sure we all love, but who hasn't recently looked to be in tip-top shape). You're right that the results are not guaranteed, but I don't think that the fact that "anything could happen" makes her look like less of an underdog coming into the group. (And in terms of groups of death, I don't think that makes this group qualify, but my understanding is like others who have commented here: a group of death, for me, is a group where all the players in the group are in the best form and are considered serious championship contenders. If, in the Ro16, we get a group with Rogue, Maru, Dark, and maybe Cure or something, then we have a real group of death in my eyes.) | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On April 07 2020 00:34 yubo56 wrote: Well, given the recent news https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/558440-ty-today-left-tsgamingEdit: oops should have read the second page haha. Does this mean TY will stream on Twitch again? His viewer numbers always seemed lower on Afreeca Him streaming on Afreeca is because he's an employee of them as a caster, not because he was on TSG. So even though yes, he'd have several hundred more viewers on Twitch, we likely won't see him come back to Twitch. On April 07 2020 00:09 dysenterymd wrote: Why do people view TOP as a uniquely weak player? Does anyone have more info on his current form? Feels like he's done about as little as, say, DRG recently, not that I expect either to achieve anything. TOP is primarily a streamer, not a pro, who recently had to take a long, long break due to health issues. And he's not reaching anywhere near the apex of Korean ladder with his skill. I rate him as uniquely weak in the same vein that I wouldn't expect Rotterdam to reach the 3rd group stage at any of the Dreamhacks this year either (other than at the casting desk). It's already a great success for TOP to have made it into Code S but even winning a map in the group stage would need a borderline miracle. | ||
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Dedraterllaerau
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
Dafuq | ||
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Zaxon
Belgium209 Posts
On April 06 2020 16:58 Durnuu wrote: Group of death is definitely B Isnt it pretty clear who will go through here? Come we gotta be honest man. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On April 07 2020 02:11 KalWarkov wrote: Hurricane T1 Dafuq He reached a GSL semi last year. Even with their system having a point decay, that result is just barely enough to carry him to a higher tier. On April 07 2020 00:07 MarianoSC2 wrote: Yeah... I mean for me the Group of death is the one with the strongest players. And the strongest player in this round is Rogue hands down. And he has Inno in his group who is in the next category of top players of this round with likes of Zest, Cure, sOs maybe. So that alone might indicate that this group is the strongest. But you are right in a regard that it has 2 clear favorites, so it can be a group of death only to those who value Scarlett extremely high and give her a realistic chance of progressing to the next stage. I actually wouldn't necessarily be surprised if Rogue struggles. He's taken it easy after big wins in the past (he has no pressure to perform in any tournament until next year after winning Katowice). But at the end of the day the group is primarily a matter of the favorites doing their homework. And so I can't ever consider that a group of death. | ||
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seanranklin
9 Posts
On April 07 2020 00:09 dysenterymd wrote: Why do people view TOP as a uniquely weak player? Does anyone have more info on his current form? Feels like he's done about as little as, say, DRG recently, not that I expect either to achieve anything. I also think Scarlett has some upset potential. ZvZ is ZvZ and if Rogue is still in his post championship malaise, she could maybe eke out a win there, and despite having alright results Inno has looked vulnerable in TvZ. I still think she'll lose, but she is a famously high variance player and could disrupt things. 7months ago TOP woke up blind and in pain. He had a corneal disease or infection. I forgot the name of the condition he said on his stream. So for 7 months he was unable to play starcraft and watch. He returned 2-3weeks ago when his symptoms and pain lessened after treatment. TOP only competed in the gsl qualifier because of fan support. It's stunning he qualified given all that has happened to him in the past 7 months. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Howard_Kao
China261 Posts
In this case, it'll be a death group when four tier1&2 players are in the same group, but not group B, definitely not. And if you wanna define group of death by the hardness to prodict, it's group D | ||
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Drfilip
Sweden592 Posts
On April 07 2020 03:23 Howard_Kao wrote: I think we do kind of have the definition for death group, liquipedia.net In this case, it'll be a death group when four tier1&2 players are in the same group, but not group B, definitely not. And if you wanna define group of death by the hardness to prodict, it's group D I did not know about that page. Glad to become informed. The group of death for GSL is, by design, not possible under normal circumstances before the group nominations for round of 16. Using GSL's internal point system to determine group distribution and levelling the field is a good thing IMO. Example of unusual circumstances are if a player gets way better fast (Patience for a brief period playing evenly vs Maru et al in top form), a new player enters the field (Reynor being allowed to play in WCS) or an early exit in previous GSL (Maru got knocked out by Zest in Code A single elimination bo5). In the ro16 we've had both PartinG, and later Dark trying to get tough groups on purpose. The 4 SKT group with Dark, soO, Classic and, I think, INnoVation was great. PartinG's all protoss group was amazing. Group of death gives great games, but the later parts of the tournament loses some flair. | ||
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Wogrim
14 Posts
They seeded it pretty well to avoid having any groups of death. I really enjoy the ones where the players pick who is in their group; hope they're still doing that in round of 16. | ||
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