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United States33284 Posts
On January 28 2020 10:34 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2020 00:25 deacon.frost wrote:On January 27 2020 11:42 tigon_ridge wrote:
Yea, just look at the GSL player's wins, but ignore his terrible performances, like his absolutely getting trashed by Elazer, and ignore Serral's masterful consistent 3-1's steamrolling through every Korean terran and protoss; and ignore Serral's 3-1 v Dark and 2-0 v Rogue in the same year. This article has pro-gsl players bias written from beginning to end. Imagine an article exclaiming "player of the year" opinion that doesn't even remark upon everything salient that happened in that year to the candidates—Oh, it's Wax, I don't have to imagine. How many Code S titles in 2k19 go to Serral? 0 How many World Champion titles in 2k19 go to Serral? 0 Well, the two most important titles of the year were won by soO and Dark(IEM, Blizzcon), Dark added a Code S title, a ST title, 2 top4 finishers in Code S and 1 top4 finisher at IEM. I don't know what kind of metric you want to use to put Serral above all these titles. Especially when Blizzcon was one of the most cited victories which resulted not giving this to Maru at 2k18... ...You have no clue how much of a dice roll these tournament runs are with the crappy SE format designed to appeal to youths and less sophisticated people. It's the same reason why athletic tournaments use the same format, while more sophisticated people, chess players, steer clear from it like the sheer laugh that they know it is. It's more to entertain the stupid crowd than anything legitimate...
Rather than be so patronizing as to believe you're the only one privy to some exclusive knowledge, what if you considered the possibility that most sports fans understand the random nature of common competitive formats, recognize it's a flawed way to determine a champion, but can still internally reconcile the contradiction for the sake of entertainment 
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Canada8988 Posts
On January 28 2020 19:28 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2020 10:34 tigon_ridge wrote:On January 28 2020 00:25 deacon.frost wrote:On January 27 2020 11:42 tigon_ridge wrote:
Yea, just look at the GSL player's wins, but ignore his terrible performances, like his absolutely getting trashed by Elazer, and ignore Serral's masterful consistent 3-1's steamrolling through every Korean terran and protoss; and ignore Serral's 3-1 v Dark and 2-0 v Rogue in the same year. This article has pro-gsl players bias written from beginning to end. Imagine an article exclaiming "player of the year" opinion that doesn't even remark upon everything salient that happened in that year to the candidates—Oh, it's Wax, I don't have to imagine. How many Code S titles in 2k19 go to Serral? 0 How many World Champion titles in 2k19 go to Serral? 0 Well, the two most important titles of the year were won by soO and Dark(IEM, Blizzcon), Dark added a Code S title, a ST title, 2 top4 finishers in Code S and 1 top4 finisher at IEM. I don't know what kind of metric you want to use to put Serral above all these titles. Especially when Blizzcon was one of the most cited victories which resulted not giving this to Maru at 2k18... ...You have no clue how much of a dice roll these tournament runs are with the crappy SE format designed to appeal to youths and less sophisticated people. It's the same reason why athletic tournaments use the same format, while more sophisticated people, chess players, steer clear from it like the sheer laugh that they know it is. It's more to entertain the stupid crowd than anything legitimate... Rather than be so patronizing as to believe you're the only one privy to some exclusive knowledge, what if you considered the possibility that most sports fans understand the random nature of common competitive formats, recognize it's a flawed way to determine a champion, but can still internally reconcile the contradiction for the sake of entertainment
Can't believe someone so unsophisticated as you can be an admin here
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France12770 Posts
Are people seriously arguing that Serral needs PotY over Dark? Lol?
Maru had a better year than Serral but Serral won BlizzCon so he got PotY, yet Dark won BlizzCon + Code S + ST and people are now arguing Dark isn't the one who deserves PotY the most in 2019?
That is actually mindblowing :o
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On January 28 2020 20:46 Poopi wrote:
Are people seriously arguing that Serral needs PotY over Dark? Lol?
Maru had a better year than Serral but Serral won BlizzCon so he got PotY, yet Dark won BlizzCon + Code S + ST and people are now arguing Dark isn't the one who deserves PotY the most in 2019?
That is actually mindblowing :o
Winning BlizzCon doesn't automatically means you are player of the year; Serral was awarded POTY in 2018 because BlizzCon's title made him overtake Maru, not just because of that.
Maru having a better year than Serral in 2018 was, is and will be the opinion of you and many others, counterbalanced by the opposite opinion of possibly more people.
If Maru won in 2019 what he did in 2018, no BlizzCon title would have granted Dark the POTY award.
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On January 28 2020 21:18 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2020 20:46 Poopi wrote:
Are people seriously arguing that Serral needs PotY over Dark? Lol?
Maru had a better year than Serral but Serral won BlizzCon so he got PotY, yet Dark won BlizzCon + Code S + ST and people are now arguing Dark isn't the one who deserves PotY the most in 2019?
That is actually mindblowing :o Winning BlizzCon doesn't automatically means you are player of the year; Serral was awarded POTY in 2018 because BlizzCon's title made him overtake Maru, not just because of that. Maru having a better year than Serral in 2018 was, is and will be the opinion of you and many others, counterbalanced by the opposite opinion of possibly more people. If Maru won in 2019 what he did in 2018, no BlizzCon title would have granted Dark the POTY award.
So 3 code S < 1 WC title, 1 Code S title, 1 ST title?
Lets face it, Serral won 2018 best player fueled in part by the fact he is a foreigner, if Serral was Korean he would have been put in second place behind Maru.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 28 2020 19:28 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2020 10:34 tigon_ridge wrote:On January 28 2020 00:25 deacon.frost wrote:On January 27 2020 11:42 tigon_ridge wrote:
Yea, just look at the GSL player's wins, but ignore his terrible performances, like his absolutely getting trashed by Elazer, and ignore Serral's masterful consistent 3-1's steamrolling through every Korean terran and protoss; and ignore Serral's 3-1 v Dark and 2-0 v Rogue in the same year. This article has pro-gsl players bias written from beginning to end. Imagine an article exclaiming "player of the year" opinion that doesn't even remark upon everything salient that happened in that year to the candidates—Oh, it's Wax, I don't have to imagine. How many Code S titles in 2k19 go to Serral? 0 How many World Champion titles in 2k19 go to Serral? 0 Well, the two most important titles of the year were won by soO and Dark(IEM, Blizzcon), Dark added a Code S title, a ST title, 2 top4 finishers in Code S and 1 top4 finisher at IEM. I don't know what kind of metric you want to use to put Serral above all these titles. Especially when Blizzcon was one of the most cited victories which resulted not giving this to Maru at 2k18... ...You have no clue how much of a dice roll these tournament runs are with the crappy SE format designed to appeal to youths and less sophisticated people. It's the same reason why athletic tournaments use the same format, while more sophisticated people, chess players, steer clear from it like the sheer laugh that they know it is. It's more to entertain the stupid crowd than anything legitimate... Rather than be so patronizing as to believe you're the only one privy to some exclusive knowledge, what if you considered the possibility that most sports fans understand the random nature of common competitive formats, recognize it's a flawed way to determine a champion, but can still internally reconcile the contradiction for the sake of entertainment
It's better to ignore such things IMO. Also if you don't like it don't watch it. Or make your own and better tournament I chose the 1st option when it comes to WCS 
On January 28 2020 21:30 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2020 21:18 Xain0n wrote:On January 28 2020 20:46 Poopi wrote:
Are people seriously arguing that Serral needs PotY over Dark? Lol?
Maru had a better year than Serral but Serral won BlizzCon so he got PotY, yet Dark won BlizzCon + Code S + ST and people are now arguing Dark isn't the one who deserves PotY the most in 2019?
That is actually mindblowing :o Winning BlizzCon doesn't automatically means you are player of the year; Serral was awarded POTY in 2018 because BlizzCon's title made him overtake Maru, not just because of that. Maru having a better year than Serral in 2018 was, is and will be the opinion of you and many others, counterbalanced by the opposite opinion of possibly more people. If Maru won in 2019 what he did in 2018, no BlizzCon title would have granted Dark the POTY award. So 3 code S < 1 WC title, 1 Code S title, 1 ST title? Lets face it, Serral won 2018 best player fueled in part by the fact he is a foreigner, if Serral was Korean he would have been put in second place behind Maru.
technically that would have been 6 Code S titles in a row
Edit> Also let's face it, nobody from the crowd will agree with you on an official level. (either from fanboys or TL writers)
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Northern Ireland24709 Posts
On January 28 2020 19:28 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2020 10:34 tigon_ridge wrote:On January 28 2020 00:25 deacon.frost wrote:On January 27 2020 11:42 tigon_ridge wrote:
Yea, just look at the GSL player's wins, but ignore his terrible performances, like his absolutely getting trashed by Elazer, and ignore Serral's masterful consistent 3-1's steamrolling through every Korean terran and protoss; and ignore Serral's 3-1 v Dark and 2-0 v Rogue in the same year. This article has pro-gsl players bias written from beginning to end. Imagine an article exclaiming "player of the year" opinion that doesn't even remark upon everything salient that happened in that year to the candidates—Oh, it's Wax, I don't have to imagine. How many Code S titles in 2k19 go to Serral? 0 How many World Champion titles in 2k19 go to Serral? 0 Well, the two most important titles of the year were won by soO and Dark(IEM, Blizzcon), Dark added a Code S title, a ST title, 2 top4 finishers in Code S and 1 top4 finisher at IEM. I don't know what kind of metric you want to use to put Serral above all these titles. Especially when Blizzcon was one of the most cited victories which resulted not giving this to Maru at 2k18... ...You have no clue how much of a dice roll these tournament runs are with the crappy SE format designed to appeal to youths and less sophisticated people. It's the same reason why athletic tournaments use the same format, while more sophisticated people, chess players, steer clear from it like the sheer laugh that they know it is. It's more to entertain the stupid crowd than anything legitimate... Rather than be so patronizing as to believe you're the only one privy to some exclusive knowledge, what if you considered the possibility that most sports fans understand the random nature of common competitive formats, recognize it's a flawed way to determine a champion, but can still internally reconcile the contradiction for the sake of entertainment
Ah Wax no, what does almost every other sport and competitive activity know about factoring in mentality and the ability to perform under pressure in both creating stakes for spectators and separating the good players from the clutch one.
It’s a shame EPL have guaranteed 3 years of the same tired old unsophisticated format, I was hoping that we wouldn’t have tournaments and would decide each years best players in a 5000 ladder game slugfest. Maybe 10000 if the players can manage it to eliminate pesky variance.
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Canada8988 Posts
On January 28 2020 21:45 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2020 19:28 Waxangel wrote:On January 28 2020 10:34 tigon_ridge wrote:On January 28 2020 00:25 deacon.frost wrote:On January 27 2020 11:42 tigon_ridge wrote:
Yea, just look at the GSL player's wins, but ignore his terrible performances, like his absolutely getting trashed by Elazer, and ignore Serral's masterful consistent 3-1's steamrolling through every Korean terran and protoss; and ignore Serral's 3-1 v Dark and 2-0 v Rogue in the same year. This article has pro-gsl players bias written from beginning to end. Imagine an article exclaiming "player of the year" opinion that doesn't even remark upon everything salient that happened in that year to the candidates—Oh, it's Wax, I don't have to imagine. How many Code S titles in 2k19 go to Serral? 0 How many World Champion titles in 2k19 go to Serral? 0 Well, the two most important titles of the year were won by soO and Dark(IEM, Blizzcon), Dark added a Code S title, a ST title, 2 top4 finishers in Code S and 1 top4 finisher at IEM. I don't know what kind of metric you want to use to put Serral above all these titles. Especially when Blizzcon was one of the most cited victories which resulted not giving this to Maru at 2k18... ...You have no clue how much of a dice roll these tournament runs are with the crappy SE format designed to appeal to youths and less sophisticated people. It's the same reason why athletic tournaments use the same format, while more sophisticated people, chess players, steer clear from it like the sheer laugh that they know it is. It's more to entertain the stupid crowd than anything legitimate... Rather than be so patronizing as to believe you're the only one privy to some exclusive knowledge, what if you considered the possibility that most sports fans understand the random nature of common competitive formats, recognize it's a flawed way to determine a champion, but can still internally reconcile the contradiction for the sake of entertainment Ah Wax no, what does almost every other sport and competitive activity know about factoring in mentality and the ability to perform under pressure in both creating stakes for spectators and separating the good players from the clutch one. It’s a shame EPL have guaranteed 3 years of the same tired old unsophisticated format, I was hoping that we wouldn’t have tournaments and would decide each years best players in a 5000 ladder game slugfest. Maybe 10000 if the players can manage it to eliminate pesky variance.
Saddly I don't think that's enough, it leave all the times a player should have won but ended up losing. We should just put aligulac number into a computer and let it chose the matematicaly correct winner. If 2 player are 50/50 obviously it could be a problem, but then I think a coinflip would be an adequate answer.
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Northern Ireland24709 Posts
On January 28 2020 21:30 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2020 21:18 Xain0n wrote:On January 28 2020 20:46 Poopi wrote:
Are people seriously arguing that Serral needs PotY over Dark? Lol?
Maru had a better year than Serral but Serral won BlizzCon so he got PotY, yet Dark won BlizzCon + Code S + ST and people are now arguing Dark isn't the one who deserves PotY the most in 2019?
That is actually mindblowing :o Winning BlizzCon doesn't automatically means you are player of the year; Serral was awarded POTY in 2018 because BlizzCon's title made him overtake Maru, not just because of that. Maru having a better year than Serral in 2018 was, is and will be the opinion of you and many others, counterbalanced by the opposite opinion of possibly more people. If Maru won in 2019 what he did in 2018, no BlizzCon title would have granted Dark the POTY award. So 3 code S < 1 WC title, 1 Code S title, 1 ST title? Lets face it, Serral won 2018 best player fueled in part by the fact he is a foreigner, if Serral was Korean he would have been put in second place behind Maru.
I’m ok with a bit of foreign bias there to be honest, not for jingoistic reasons but breaking through a glass ceiling. Not quite an equivalent situation exactly but if an amateur player and Tiger Woods had a pretty similar year, I’d give the amateur player it on account of that status.
I think Maru and Serral’s 2018s you can make an argument for either one really. Maru has the 3 prestige titles in a row which hasn’t been done before, Serral has the big one as a foreigner which hasn’t been done before, rampant consistency plus a few statistical streaks including his rather impressive vKorean record.
I don’t find a preference for either particularly egregious, I give it to Serral on a knife edge for breaking that ceiling as a foreigner becoming a consistent S class player. I guess not even so much a foreigner more as a non eSF/Kespa trained, Korea-based player I suppose.
2019 Serral has already broken that ceiling so I’m judging him more on the standards he’s already hit, so him botching against Reynor at Blizzcon vs Dark clutching it gives it to the latter for me.
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On January 28 2020 21:30 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2020 21:18 Xain0n wrote:On January 28 2020 20:46 Poopi wrote:
Are people seriously arguing that Serral needs PotY over Dark? Lol?
Maru had a better year than Serral but Serral won BlizzCon so he got PotY, yet Dark won BlizzCon + Code S + ST and people are now arguing Dark isn't the one who deserves PotY the most in 2019?
That is actually mindblowing :o Winning BlizzCon doesn't automatically means you are player of the year; Serral was awarded POTY in 2018 because BlizzCon's title made him overtake Maru, not just because of that. Maru having a better year than Serral in 2018 was, is and will be the opinion of you and many others, counterbalanced by the opposite opinion of possibly more people. If Maru won in 2019 what he did in 2018, no BlizzCon title would have granted Dark the POTY award. So 3 code S < 1 WC title, 1 Code S title, 1 ST title? Lets face it, Serral won 2018 best player fueled in part by the fact he is a foreigner, if Serral was Korean he would have been put in second place behind Maru.
If Serral wasn't a foreigner, Maru would have NEVER won 4 GSL.
There you go, ball is in your corner again
Edit: Just to be clear, I think Dark deserves PotY 2019 as much as Serral deserves PotY 2018
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On January 28 2020 21:30 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2020 21:18 Xain0n wrote:On January 28 2020 20:46 Poopi wrote:
Are people seriously arguing that Serral needs PotY over Dark? Lol?
Maru had a better year than Serral but Serral won BlizzCon so he got PotY, yet Dark won BlizzCon + Code S + ST and people are now arguing Dark isn't the one who deserves PotY the most in 2019?
That is actually mindblowing :o Winning BlizzCon doesn't automatically means you are player of the year; Serral was awarded POTY in 2018 because BlizzCon's title made him overtake Maru, not just because of that. Maru having a better year than Serral in 2018 was, is and will be the opinion of you and many others, counterbalanced by the opposite opinion of possibly more people. If Maru won in 2019 what he did in 2018, no BlizzCon title would have granted Dark the POTY award. So 3 code S < 1 WC title, 1 Code S title, 1 ST title? Lets face it, Serral won 2018 best player fueled in part by the fact he is a foreigner, if Serral was Korean he would have been put in second place behind Maru.
Isn't it funny that after all the fuss last year you are forgetting that Maru won a 200k tournament in WESG?
I am saying that 3 Code S+WESG>BlizzCon+Code S+ST.
You should face the fact that Serral was crowned POTY in 2018 because he was the best, foreigner or not.
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On January 28 2020 22:28 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2020 21:30 Argonauta wrote:On January 28 2020 21:18 Xain0n wrote:On January 28 2020 20:46 Poopi wrote:
Are people seriously arguing that Serral needs PotY over Dark? Lol?
Maru had a better year than Serral but Serral won BlizzCon so he got PotY, yet Dark won BlizzCon + Code S + ST and people are now arguing Dark isn't the one who deserves PotY the most in 2019?
That is actually mindblowing :o Winning BlizzCon doesn't automatically means you are player of the year; Serral was awarded POTY in 2018 because BlizzCon's title made him overtake Maru, not just because of that. Maru having a better year than Serral in 2018 was, is and will be the opinion of you and many others, counterbalanced by the opposite opinion of possibly more people. If Maru won in 2019 what he did in 2018, no BlizzCon title would have granted Dark the POTY award. So 3 code S < 1 WC title, 1 Code S title, 1 ST title? Lets face it, Serral won 2018 best player fueled in part by the fact he is a foreigner, if Serral was Korean he would have been put in second place behind Maru. If Serral wasn't a foreigner, Maru would have NEVER won 4 GSL. There you go, ball is in your corner again Edit: Just to be clear, I think Dark deserves PotY 2019 as much as Serral deserves PotY 2018
Or the opposite, if Maru was a foreigner he would have won all WCS with 2 rax reaper into Bcs at the end of the day he only needs to practice TvZ to win in Europe.
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On January 28 2020 22:32 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2020 21:30 Argonauta wrote:On January 28 2020 21:18 Xain0n wrote:On January 28 2020 20:46 Poopi wrote:
Are people seriously arguing that Serral needs PotY over Dark? Lol?
Maru had a better year than Serral but Serral won BlizzCon so he got PotY, yet Dark won BlizzCon + Code S + ST and people are now arguing Dark isn't the one who deserves PotY the most in 2019?
That is actually mindblowing :o Winning BlizzCon doesn't automatically means you are player of the year; Serral was awarded POTY in 2018 because BlizzCon's title made him overtake Maru, not just because of that. Maru having a better year than Serral in 2018 was, is and will be the opinion of you and many others, counterbalanced by the opposite opinion of possibly more people. If Maru won in 2019 what he did in 2018, no BlizzCon title would have granted Dark the POTY award. So 3 code S < 1 WC title, 1 Code S title, 1 ST title? Lets face it, Serral won 2018 best player fueled in part by the fact he is a foreigner, if Serral was Korean he would have been put in second place behind Maru. Isn't it funny that after all the fuss last year you are forgetting that Maru won a 200k tournament in WESG? I am saying that 3 Code S+WESG>BlizzCon+Code S+ST. You should face the fact that Serral was crowned POTY in 2018 because he was the best, foreigner or not.
Heh true, he also won a weekender!
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 28 2020 23:29 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2020 22:32 Xain0n wrote:On January 28 2020 21:30 Argonauta wrote:On January 28 2020 21:18 Xain0n wrote:On January 28 2020 20:46 Poopi wrote:
Are people seriously arguing that Serral needs PotY over Dark? Lol?
Maru had a better year than Serral but Serral won BlizzCon so he got PotY, yet Dark won BlizzCon + Code S + ST and people are now arguing Dark isn't the one who deserves PotY the most in 2019?
That is actually mindblowing :o Winning BlizzCon doesn't automatically means you are player of the year; Serral was awarded POTY in 2018 because BlizzCon's title made him overtake Maru, not just because of that. Maru having a better year than Serral in 2018 was, is and will be the opinion of you and many others, counterbalanced by the opposite opinion of possibly more people. If Maru won in 2019 what he did in 2018, no BlizzCon title would have granted Dark the POTY award. So 3 code S < 1 WC title, 1 Code S title, 1 ST title? Lets face it, Serral won 2018 best player fueled in part by the fact he is a foreigner, if Serral was Korean he would have been put in second place behind Maru. Isn't it funny that after all the fuss last year you are forgetting that Maru won a 200k tournament in WESG? I am saying that 3 Code S+WESG>BlizzCon+Code S+ST. You should face the fact that Serral was crowned POTY in 2018 because he was the best, foreigner or not. Heh true, he also won a weekender!
Most importantly he qualified through Korea But the qualifier is a different year
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So, Serral was the second best of year 2019. Great! How incredibly hard it is to achieve. Like it would be shame to be the second.
Congratz Dark! Maybe Serral was little bit more consistent overall, and statistically little bit better, but when weighting in wins in tournaments, level of competition and trophies, Dark deserves POTY. Maybe its close, but it is nevertheless clear.
And yes, this comes from 100% pure breed Serral fanboi, but Its just petty not to applaud the player who deserve the praise, and what happened 2018 have nothing what-so-ever to do with POTY 2019.
To foreseeable future its easy to predict that Serral isn't yet completely washed up. Maybe 2020 is better year for him. Lol.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 29 2020 00:34 UnLarva wrote:So, Serral was the second best of year 2019. Great! How incredibly hard it is to achieve. Like it would be shame to be the second. Congratz Dark! Maybe Serral was little bit more consistent overall, and statistically little bit better, but when weighting in wins in tournaments, level of competition and trophies, Dark deserves POTY. Maybe its close, but it is nevertheless clear. And yes, this comes from 100% pure breed Serral fanboi, but Its just petty not to applaud the player who deserve the praise, and what happened 2018 have nothing what-so-ever to do with POTY 2019. To foreseeable future its easy to predict that Serral isn't yet completely washed up. Maybe 2020 is better year for him. Lol.
soO was so fucking consistent with his 4 Code S finals in a row and almost nobody cared and everybody was talking about winners. Also Serral is hurt by WCS which is a weaker competition while Dark was very good in the Code S and ST2.
Out of 8 big titles Serral was competing for 3, which means he has to win some of them to outperform heavily dominating Korean player.
Edit> actually this is quite a nice comparison - soO vs Maru. when soO was winning everything except the finals, he was being aknowledged but victors were still more than his achievement. When Maru started his dominating streak and was winning, people were talking much more differently
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Northern Ireland24709 Posts
On January 29 2020 00:56 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2020 00:34 UnLarva wrote:So, Serral was the second best of year 2019. Great! How incredibly hard it is to achieve. Like it would be shame to be the second. Congratz Dark! Maybe Serral was little bit more consistent overall, and statistically little bit better, but when weighting in wins in tournaments, level of competition and trophies, Dark deserves POTY. Maybe its close, but it is nevertheless clear. And yes, this comes from 100% pure breed Serral fanboi, but Its just petty not to applaud the player who deserve the praise, and what happened 2018 have nothing what-so-ever to do with POTY 2019. To foreseeable future its easy to predict that Serral isn't yet completely washed up. Maybe 2020 is better year for him. Lol. soO was so fucking consistent with his 4 Code S finals in a row and almost nobody cared and everybody was talking about winners. Also Serral is hurt by WCS which is a weaker competition while Dark was very good in the Code S and ST2. Out of 8 big titles Serral was competing for 3, which means he has to win some of them to outperform heavily dominating Korean player.
I wasn’t active at that period but is that actually true on soO? We’ve had Maru’s run subsequently and Trap making consecutive finals recently so it seems more normalised but soO’s streak was uniquely impressive at the time, I would have thought plenty of people would still have lauded soO’s achievement?
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 29 2020 01:01 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2020 00:56 deacon.frost wrote:On January 29 2020 00:34 UnLarva wrote:So, Serral was the second best of year 2019. Great! How incredibly hard it is to achieve. Like it would be shame to be the second. Congratz Dark! Maybe Serral was little bit more consistent overall, and statistically little bit better, but when weighting in wins in tournaments, level of competition and trophies, Dark deserves POTY. Maybe its close, but it is nevertheless clear. And yes, this comes from 100% pure breed Serral fanboi, but Its just petty not to applaud the player who deserve the praise, and what happened 2018 have nothing what-so-ever to do with POTY 2019. To foreseeable future its easy to predict that Serral isn't yet completely washed up. Maybe 2020 is better year for him. Lol. soO was so fucking consistent with his 4 Code S finals in a row and almost nobody cared and everybody was talking about winners. Also Serral is hurt by WCS which is a weaker competition while Dark was very good in the Code S and ST2. Out of 8 big titles Serral was competing for 3, which means he has to win some of them to outperform heavily dominating Korean player. I wasn’t active at that period but is that actually true on soO? We’ve had Maru’s run subsequently and Trap making consecutive finals recently so it seems more normalised but soO’s streak was uniquely impressive at the time, I would have thought plenty of people would still have lauded soO’s achievement?
Like people were aknowledging he's doing something special but victors took more attention. The difference from what Maru has done(4 titles in a row(and speedrunning )) is IMO bigger. He wasn't completely ignored or something like that but he wasn't mentioned everywhere as the best player. Consistency isn't enough.
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On January 29 2020 00:56 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2020 00:34 UnLarva wrote:So, Serral was the second best of year 2019. Great! How incredibly hard it is to achieve. Like it would be shame to be the second. Congratz Dark! Maybe Serral was little bit more consistent overall, and statistically little bit better, but when weighting in wins in tournaments, level of competition and trophies, Dark deserves POTY. Maybe its close, but it is nevertheless clear. And yes, this comes from 100% pure breed Serral fanboi, but Its just petty not to applaud the player who deserve the praise, and what happened 2018 have nothing what-so-ever to do with POTY 2019. To foreseeable future its easy to predict that Serral isn't yet completely washed up. Maybe 2020 is better year for him. Lol. soO was so fucking consistent with his 4 Code S finals in a row and almost nobody cared and everybody was talking about winners. Also Serral is hurt by WCS which is a weaker competition while Dark was very good in the Code S and ST2. Out of 8 big titles Serral was competing for 3, which means he has to win some of them to outperform heavily dominating Korean player. Edit> actually this is quite a nice comparison - soO vs Maru. when soO was winning everything except the finals, he was being aknowledged but victors were still more than his achievement. When Maru started his dominating streak and was winning, people were talking much more differently
That mirrors your incredibly Korea-centric vision of Sc2, which is not shared by everyone and it is not objective truth, either(also, Serral won GSL vs the World that you include in your "big titles", so if Dark was crowned POTY the reason was not Serral not winning any of those).
Being consistent by itself is not enough, you need to actually win titles on top of that and that's why soO wasn't taken into consideration back then: because he was not capable of winning anything.
This doesn't mean that consistent players winning few titles(more than zero, ofc) could be preferred over other ones winning more but being incosistent.
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