• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:12
CEST 09:12
KST 16:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)43Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!5Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) [D] Wireframe Casting Removed Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format Is the larve respawn broken?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) Etiquete rules in Asl? Recent recommended BW games Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA)
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
The Experiences We Want and …
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6388 users

4.11.0 Patch - Major balance changes, Mengsk Commander - P…

Forum Index > SC2 General
240 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 11 12 13 Next All
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 26 2019 23:32 GMT
#21
This town hall guy has to be doing this on purpose.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27207 Posts
November 27 2019 00:45 GMT
#22
Mule change reversion is terrible and gamebreaking, what was David Kim thinking?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
November 27 2019 02:49 GMT
#23
Patch broke EU. 9 times out of 10 when you load into map the game almost immediately hangs and then drops a bunch of people a few seconds later.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8253 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-27 03:18:51
November 27 2019 03:16 GMT
#24
[image loading]

[image loading]

Why does Blizzard need to mess with the maps?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 27 2019 03:27 GMT
#25
Most of the time Blizzard just introduces cannon rush spots, breaks a few geysers, and sloppily re-texture some areas to make them look worse, so they've really surpassed themselves this time.
Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
November 27 2019 03:29 GMT
#26
this is what blizzard meant by "major" balance changes
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-27 04:48:09
November 27 2019 03:33 GMT
#27
I think they snuck in some late engine changes without QA (several hints towards that) and it blew up in their faces. Game is literally unplayable, i have 15 replays that are a quarter second long because it kicked everyone out

Edit: They've disabled all 1v1 queues but the issues persist in 2v2+, co-op etc
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17692 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-27 05:15:01
November 27 2019 05:14 GMT
#28
It is pure tragic-comedy how fast Blizzard went to hell after Morhaime left. I thought Blizzard's decline would be more slow and more gradual. Silly me.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2633 Posts
November 27 2019 05:54 GMT
#29
There's also a bug on Nightshade too. For the bottom player's natural, it's possible for a worker to become trapped after leaving one of the gas geysers if it exits on the side adjacent to the main.
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7582 Posts
November 27 2019 06:24 GMT
#30
I really like the creep change. Terran and Toss should be able to play a macro/defensive game without losing the entire map forever.

I am worried about z V lategame air armies of both T and P but ... I think it makes perfect sense for a toss or terran deathball to be somewhat OP. Their armies advanced technologies are the peak of their civilizations abilities, it makes sense (to me) that zerg should be an underdog whenever T or P are able to build their dream army.

I do not think this will balance things at the top level in any way. Nydus and swarmhost and the potential of them are the problem. Nydus delay? Build 2.

I really thought zealots were going to be fast like in bw, I think it is unfortunate blizzard didn't commit to it fully.

Overall, my biggest hope is that T and P players enjoy playing the game more. All the toxic balance issues seems to have demoralized a lot of players. I hope if anything, Protoss players can feel good knowing, that if they get to superlategame they have an edge vs any zerg who isn't a spell caster-master.

Happy experimenting gamers.
Bomzj
Profile Joined July 2018
Belarus24 Posts
November 27 2019 07:07 GMT
#31
Why not show MMR for team games on initial screen as well? Show the actual portrait borders for team games on loading screen instead of borders taken from solo.
Blitzzz
Profile Joined June 2019
Costa Rica4 Posts
November 27 2019 07:37 GMT
#32
On November 27 2019 16:07 Bomzj wrote:
Why not show MMR for team games on initial screen as well? Show the actual portrait borders for team games on loading screen instead of borders taken from solo.


The portrait border thing has been done (unless it is a bug.) I'm really happy about this, since I only play 2v2 ^ ^
EliteSK
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)251 Posts
November 27 2019 07:43 GMT
#33
On November 27 2019 09:45 Wombat_NI wrote:
Mule change reversion is terrible and gamebreaking, what was David Kim thinking?


David Kim hasn't been working on SC2 for the past 2.5 years... He's now the lead for Diablo4...
NExt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1651 Posts
November 27 2019 07:44 GMT
#34
Why is everyones SC2 bugging out?? Mine is fine :/
Waiting for Protoss Jesus
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States740 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-27 08:14:13
November 27 2019 08:13 GMT
#35
On November 27 2019 12:16 geokilla wrote:


Why does Blizzard need to mess with the maps?


That looks more like the result of you jumping into play IMMEDIATELY instead of having patience and allowing the whole game to download.

But if the minerals is true that suckss!

...Unless it's like that on both sides, in which case I like it!
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7582 Posts
November 27 2019 08:36 GMT
#36
On November 27 2019 16:44 NExt wrote:
Why is everyones SC2 bugging out?? Mine is fine :/

After reading all of the comments, I logged in and played 2 games (got trashed) just fine. They were unranked 1vs1 on NA.
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary492 Posts
November 27 2019 11:48 GMT
#37
On November 27 2019 17:36 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2019 16:44 NExt wrote:
Why is everyones SC2 bugging out?? Mine is fine :/

After reading all of the comments, I logged in and played 2 games (got trashed) just fine. They were unranked 1vs1 on NA.


Unranked, bitch please.
Why so serious?
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States766 Posts
November 27 2019 12:24 GMT
#38
I tried to play 4v4 last night, but rage quit because the lag and ping were so bad...
bela.mervado
Profile Joined December 2008
Hungary411 Posts
November 27 2019 12:35 GMT
#39
hey guys.

i have a problem with hotkeys, does anyone experiencing this:

i use core ~5.0 with some changes.
whenever i start a game, i would get the hotkey conflict detected warning.
in the infestation pit i can not set different hotkeys for the neural and the shroud researches.
whenever i click neural and set it to P, shroud automatically gets P as well.
i can reset the neural to default, this way i get E for neural and C i believe for shroud.
if i do it in the game, the warning message seems to go away, but this is not an optimal solution -.-
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7582 Posts
November 27 2019 13:26 GMT
#40
On November 27 2019 20:48 kajtarp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2019 17:36 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 27 2019 16:44 NExt wrote:
Why is everyones SC2 bugging out?? Mine is fine :/

After reading all of the comments, I logged in and played 2 games (got trashed) just fine. They were unranked 1vs1 on NA.


Unranked, bitch please.

I play mostly unranked games. Sometimes I am just not interested in getting crushed.
Started playing in April for the first time ever. =)
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 11 12 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 48m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft856
SortOf 163
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 2582
Leta 467
Dewaltoss 128
Larva 40
Terrorterran 21
League of Legends
JimRising 726
Other Games
summit1g8558
XaKoH 118
amsayoshi49
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Afreeca ASL 5840
Other Games
gamesdonequick2134
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 202
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH311
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2135
League of Legends
• Stunt571
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
1h 48m
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
2h 48m
Epic.LAN
5h 48m
IPSL
8h 48m
Dragon vs Hawk
RSL Revival
1d 1h
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 2h
OSC
1d 5h
IPSL
1d 8h
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W3
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.