EPTgsl is on life support, same faces every time. the game is in its twilight, will enjoy watching the tournaments while they still last
SC2 falls out of Top 100 $ - Page 2
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
gsl is on life support, same faces every time. the game is in its twilight, will enjoy watching the tournaments while they still last | ||
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Creager
Germany1889 Posts
Also comparing esports to real sports still is a very tricky thing to do given the fundamentally different nature of the 'products'. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24270 Posts
Would be difficult to really draw boundaries and compare accurately across individual games and team games too, but I think it would be interesting data to know what an average-decent mid tier pro earns between games. While SC2 does rely increasingly on Blizzard funding tournaments, we are seeing a beautiful event run by dedicated third parties and passion in HSC right now, so I don’t overly worry about flashy prize pools. Although the prize pool was boosted by a fan in HSC’s case. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24270 Posts
Either the game’s publishers themselves are throwing money at a title to push the eSports aspect themselves, or investors are throwing money at bad investments in the hope that one of them makes it big and pays back the losses many times over. | ||
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MinixTheNerd
200 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On November 23 2019 07:48 Wombat_NI wrote: Some games have absurdly top-heavy prize pools, or offer big money publicity pushing tournaments early in a game’s lifespan. Would be difficult to really draw boundaries and compare accurately across individual games and team games too, but I think it would be interesting data to know what an average-decent mid tier pro earns between games. While SC2 does rely increasingly on Blizzard funding tournaments, we are seeing a beautiful event run by dedicated third parties and passion in HSC right now, so I don’t overly worry about flashy prize pools. Although the prize pool was boosted by a fan in HSC’s case. SC2 has always relied a lot on Blizzard for increasing the prize money. It would surprise me if they didn't provide a large portion of the funding for GOMTV back in the day. I'm not saying there is no independent love for Starcraft or for e-sports, but the size of the professional scene is largely dependent on the whims of the marketing departments of the developer. The only alternative would have been solely events such as HSC with fan donations and small sponsors, but they could never compete with professionally organized and funded premier events with 250k prize pools. | ||
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DrDevice
Canada132 Posts
On November 23 2019 05:46 Cpt.beefy wrote: None of that sounds "trolly" at all to me. It sounds extremely polite. I think this is just a misunderstanding.I appreciate your view but.... I'm not sure if you are familiar with... Money makes the world go round. ( i mean what? ) people watch tennis and not table tennis.(gahh? huh?) All trolly comments, in fact every reply to every comment on this post, is deflective and dismissive. ... I think this sounds "trolly" to you because you are reading the overly formal politeness of his posts as if it was sarcastic. I don't think it is. I think you're just talking to someone whose first language is not English. | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
LoL has 20 times more players than Dota, yet the premiere events of Dota have pretty much the same viewer numbers as those of LoL. LoL is more played but less spectated game by their respective playerbases. Ofc outliers are TI and LoL worlds, but thats for a different discussion. So each has their own thing going on for them. CSGO is kind of the same as Dota, the playerbase isnt huge, but lots of people watch tournaments and the viewer numbers rival those of Dota and LoL. It wasnt always like this though, CS:GO became a huge spectator sport only recently, despite it being an old game. So the way I see it, the prizepool depends on two things: playerbase and eyeballs watching tournaments. SC2 has neither of that going on for it, the playerbase is tiny compared to the big ones and the viewer numbers arent spectacular. This years Blizzcon/WCS had something like 80k peak viewers, which is half of last year's. I dont know the reason for the dip in viewers, but I can speak from my point of view: its just boring to watch after a certain time. I can watch SC2 consecutively for 2-3 months and then I stop for a year or sometimes even more. I know many will object to what I say and thats fine, but its not particularly fun to watch for a prolonged time, at least for me. And I dont think you need that much intellect to understand the game, I think these kind of comments come from people who cant tell the difference between high ceiling of mechanical skill and actual complexity of a game - not the same thing. Unless there's a sudden resurgence in interest in RTS gams coming soon, I dont see SC2 increasing its playerbase, however by more frequent game design changes it might become more attractive for viewers. Note that I said game design changes, not balance - to me those are two different things. Design comes first, which means the game must be fun to play and watch first and foremost .That's why Dota and LoL are number one esports, they have never been balanced, they arent balanced now and they never will be. But they are fun to pay and watch, that's the trick. | ||
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LTCM
174 Posts
The last time a protoss player was in the top three of earnings for the year.....2015. Lol. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On November 23 2019 10:09 DrDevice wrote: None of that sounds "trolly" at all to me. It sounds extremely polite. I think this is just a misunderstanding. I think this sounds "trolly" to you because you are reading the overly formal politeness of his posts as if it was sarcastic. I don't think it is. I think you're just talking to someone whose first language is not English. even if he's a native English speaker there's still nothing wrong with being polite, lmao what the fuck is that guy talking about? is this what the internet is now? being nice is literally trolling? i think some people need to spend less time on SC2 ladder where 90% of communication is encouraging suicide and threatening people's families. sometimes civility is just civility | ||
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Tastyyyy
Portugal95 Posts
1st- Starcraft is not (for the most part) a team game, which means prize money earnings affect much more the individuals life then if he has to split it with a team. Which happens with LoL, that has low prize pools for being the "biggest title" and players have to share between each other (which includes substitutes that played in the tournament, which isn't accounted for in esportsearnings for the most part) and with the team, thats why they aren't the top earners. 2nd- If Serral and Maru had been as dominant as they were in previous years, or if one of them would'e won the global finals, there would be Starcraft players in the top 100 prize money earnings. Fortunately, this means this competition is fierce and that there are many skilled players, which is more entertaining than having always the same people winning. 3rd - Dota 2 and Fortnite are 2 esports that have only 1 reason to have such huge prize pools. They have them so they stay RELEVANT as esports. Dota 2 player base is diminishing and also their viewership on twitch (at least the english streams viewership), they might be huge in China, but their competitor (LoL) is bigger, which means they boost the prize pools and stay relevant because everyone is drawn in to the money. Fortnite, likewise is what I like to call a shitty esport, and their viewership is very low too, so they boost the prize pools and BAM, relevant! 4th - The truth is, players get money from teams, tournaments and streaming and its very viable, right now, to be a starcraft 2 pro player. Of course the prize pools would be bigger if the esport was bigger, but please, be my guest and go check the prize pools of the global final from 2010, 2011, 2012, etc. You'll see those were the "glory days" of starcraft and the prizes were much smaller, so...by your definition...the game is actully doing better now?? This means nothing. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
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WeakOwl
25 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3090 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On November 23 2019 05:00 Cpt.beefy wrote: This is a totally irrelevant statistic "too the scene". Nobody watches an esport for the amount of money the players make and NOBODY plays a game for 12 hours a day because they want a big house. Starcraft is not about money for me. It's about those Best of 7's, game 7, 30 minutes in with noone in the lead! Drama and passion. My guy, how wrong you are | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
On November 23 2019 11:59 brickrd wrote: even if he's a native English speaker there's still nothing wrong with being polite, lmao what the fuck is that guy talking about? is this what the internet is now? being nice is literally trolling? i think some people need to spend less time on SC2 ladder where 90% of communication is encouraging suicide and threatening people's families. sometimes civility is just civility Thanks, yes I speak Australian, we are just nice people. I don't know why the hate, I think he just doesn't like being disagreed with. | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
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Tastyyyy
Portugal95 Posts
Even in korea there are two or three 15 year olds in grandmaster. | ||
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