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On August 26 2019 19:57 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Does anyone actually know what happened to Life? I feel bad for him as he screwed up his whole life due to one very bad decision at age 16.
I believe he had dropped out of school to pursue being a pro gamer so I don't think he will have much of work opportunities as education is everything over there. On top of that, googling his name in Korean returns his wiki which talks about his arrest etc. and in Korea they don't believe in redemption or second chances so I assume he is screwed for life.
Also were there any reports as to what happened to the people who had manipulated and bullied him into match fixing? I don't remember reading anything about it.
Edit - I just read a Korean article, apparently he was sentenced to 1 year jail and 3 years probation. So I assume he is still on probation, ending this year.
Some says that he is running a ring for ranking up overwatch players. I just saw it on reddit. Will post the link here if i got on pc
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If this is true then I am deeply saddened. It was bad enough not being able to playback the majority of the WCS 2014 Season 3 playoffs and Global Finals replays despite doing so on the previous seasons' worth of replays with my bodge.
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On August 26 2019 17:25 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2019 09:26 brickrd wrote:On August 26 2019 03:07 Paljas wrote:On August 26 2019 02:38 brickrd wrote:
fake outrage about rightfully shaming a cheater, not an issue, not important, affects nothing
the people pretending they're angry about this were never going to go back and watch those games, just something for bored people to talk about Life is not a cheater, never was he cheated the system to get free money instead of earning it by winning fairly. cheating the game engine by hacking isn't the only way to "cheat." just like you can cheat on a partner you can also cheat the league, cheat fans, etc. he's a cheat. anyway like i said no one actually cares that much about this, it's just a bunch of thought experiment moralizing. this literally affects absolutely nothing. the "what ifs" are insane, if sOs wants to show his kids the vods one day then im sure he can easily get them lmao. i'm more concerned about things that affect the real world than whether recordings of video games are hosted by a company hilarious that anyone can get worked up over things like this when real people suffer in the real world But he didn't cheat the system this time and you got robbed. The last argument is so poor, real people are suffering on the real world so why are you not helping instead of writting silly stuff on a sc2 forum ? Btw, I would be grateful if you try to think just about this "experimenting moralizing" stuff. You're erasing history not because something shameful has been done but because YOU have done something shameful. Negationnists, dictatures who commited massacrer, that's their method, gratz for validating them. It's hard to describe the disgust I have to read all these parangon of morality, you can smell all the hypocrisie and resentment from miles. the fact that you're comparing clips of video games being taken offline to fascist dictators massacring human beings proves my point exactly 100% correct, thanks!
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On August 26 2019 19:57 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Does anyone actually know what happened to Life? I feel bad for him as he screwed up his whole life due to one very bad decision at age 16.
I believe he had dropped out of school to pursue being a pro gamer so I don't think he will have much of work opportunities as education is everything over there. On top of that, googling his name in Korean returns his wiki which talks about his arrest etc. and in Korea they don't believe in redemption or second chances so I assume he is screwed for life.
Also were there any reports as to what happened to the people who had manipulated and bullied him into match fixing? I don't remember reading anything about it.
Edit - I just read a Korean article, apparently he was sentenced to 1 year jail and 3 years probation. So I assume he is still on probation, ending this year.
the mob has their scapegoat for the decline of sc2 despite the fact that Blizzard is the culprit
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On August 27 2019 08:45 necrosexy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2019 19:57 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Does anyone actually know what happened to Life? I feel bad for him as he screwed up his whole life due to one very bad decision at age 16.
I believe he had dropped out of school to pursue being a pro gamer so I don't think he will have much of work opportunities as education is everything over there. On top of that, googling his name in Korean returns his wiki which talks about his arrest etc. and in Korea they don't believe in redemption or second chances so I assume he is screwed for life.
Also were there any reports as to what happened to the people who had manipulated and bullied him into match fixing? I don't remember reading anything about it.
Edit - I just read a Korean article, apparently he was sentenced to 1 year jail and 3 years probation. So I assume he is still on probation, ending this year. the mob has their scapegoat for the decline of sc2 despite the fact that Blizzard is the culprit
Nah, RTS went the way of the dot eating maze game. Blaming Blizzard for the decline in consumers' demand for RTS games would be like blaming Namco, the makers of Pac-man, for the decline of the Dot-Eating-Maze Game genre.
Consumers just changed their preferences... no one to blame.
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Northern Ireland25159 Posts
On August 27 2019 08:45 necrosexy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2019 19:57 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Does anyone actually know what happened to Life? I feel bad for him as he screwed up his whole life due to one very bad decision at age 16.
I believe he had dropped out of school to pursue being a pro gamer so I don't think he will have much of work opportunities as education is everything over there. On top of that, googling his name in Korean returns his wiki which talks about his arrest etc. and in Korea they don't believe in redemption or second chances so I assume he is screwed for life.
Also were there any reports as to what happened to the people who had manipulated and bullied him into match fixing? I don't remember reading anything about it.
Edit - I just read a Korean article, apparently he was sentenced to 1 year jail and 3 years probation. So I assume he is still on probation, ending this year. the mob has their scapegoat for the decline of sc2 despite the fact that Blizzard is the culprit
Oh noes not the mob. Is this the same Blizzard that basically keeps the competitive scene afloat since Kespa pulled out or what?
I disagree vehemently with pulling Life’s VODs in this sense. How’s he a scapegoat for an actual crime he committed that was detrimental to the sponsor confidence in the scene?
B teamers earning fuck all money, while not entirely excusable well yeah the pull is understandable. Guys at the top of the game earning good money being involved in such things really, not so much.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 27 2019 09:21 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2019 08:45 necrosexy wrote:On August 26 2019 19:57 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Does anyone actually know what happened to Life? I feel bad for him as he screwed up his whole life due to one very bad decision at age 16.
I believe he had dropped out of school to pursue being a pro gamer so I don't think he will have much of work opportunities as education is everything over there. On top of that, googling his name in Korean returns his wiki which talks about his arrest etc. and in Korea they don't believe in redemption or second chances so I assume he is screwed for life.
Also were there any reports as to what happened to the people who had manipulated and bullied him into match fixing? I don't remember reading anything about it.
Edit - I just read a Korean article, apparently he was sentenced to 1 year jail and 3 years probation. So I assume he is still on probation, ending this year. the mob has their scapegoat for the decline of sc2 despite the fact that Blizzard is the culprit Oh noes not the mob. Is this the same Blizzard that basically keeps the competitive scene afloat since Kespa pulled out or what? I disagree vehemently with pulling Life’s VODs in this sense. How’s he a scapegoat for an actual crime he committed that was detrimental to the sponsor confidence in the scene? B teamers earning fuck all money, while not entirely excusable well yeah the pull is understandable. Guys at the top of the game earning good money being involved in such things really, not so much.
Life didn't kill the SC2 though. KeSPA pulled away because SC2 isn't that huge as Blizzard was hoping for and Blizzard didn't have any other choice than support it because a collapse would be a PR disaster
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This move from Blizz is quite an exaggaration and really annoying tbh. I wanted to rewatch Life's games because he was one of the most entertaining player this game ever had. I am planning this for a while now. On top of my list was Blizzcon 2014 and 2015... Not only because of life, but also because of his opponents who retired since... Well, i guess one less reason now to spend time with sc2...
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Canada8989 Posts
On August 26 2019 19:57 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Does anyone actually know what happened to Life? I feel bad for him as he screwed up his whole life due to one very bad decision at age 16.
I believe he had dropped out of school to pursue being a pro gamer so I don't think he will have much of work opportunities as education is everything over there. On top of that, googling his name in Korean returns his wiki which talks about his arrest etc. and in Korea they don't believe in redemption or second chances so I assume he is screwed for life.
Also were there any reports as to what happened to the people who had manipulated and bullied him into match fixing? I don't remember reading anything about it.
Edit - I just read a Korean article, apparently he was sentenced to 1 year jail and 3 years probation. So I assume he is still on probation, ending this year.
Overall yes he's kind of screwed, arguably tho it his gambling/ lifestyle that was the original problem, he earned half a million in prize money at 20 years old and ended up broke.
As for the vod it's an insane decision by Blizz, I can't even understand how someone there actually took time to dig out 5 years old matches and hides them. sOs second Blizzcon title is one of my all time SC2 highlight and the series is a display of why I think he was the greatest protoss of HOTS, it's really a shame to lose it. There is already enough of Starcraft history in the MLG and GOMTV days that are lost to time there's no reason to erase what we got.
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On August 28 2019 00:14 kajtarp wrote:
This move from Blizz is quite an exaggaration and really annoying tbh. I wanted to rewatch Life's games because he was one of the most entertaining player this game ever had. I am planning this for a while now. On top of my list was Blizzcon 2014 and 2015... Not only because of life, but also because of his opponents who retired since... Well, i guess one less reason now to spend time with sc2...
Is it possible some of those games had a predetermined ending? So then the game itself was just a staged show? The players create as entertaining a game as possible before it reaches a predetermined conclusion ?
in this case you might want to delete the game completely.
Blizzard is in a tough spot. Its a difficult decision to make.
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On August 28 2019 01:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Blizzard is in a tough spot. Its a difficult decision to make.
Difficult decision to make my ass. Life was stripped of his titles, hes banned forever playing sc2. He got punished enough already, theres absolutely not necessary to go beyond further.
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Canada8989 Posts
On August 28 2019 01:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2019 00:14 kajtarp wrote:
This move from Blizz is quite an exaggaration and really annoying tbh. I wanted to rewatch Life's games because he was one of the most entertaining player this game ever had. I am planning this for a while now. On top of my list was Blizzcon 2014 and 2015... Not only because of life, but also because of his opponents who retired since... Well, i guess one less reason now to spend time with sc2... Is it possible some of those games had a predetermined ending? So then the game itself was just a staged show? The players create as entertaining a game as possible before it reaches a predetermined conclusion ? in this case you might want to delete the game completely. Blizzard is in a tough spot. Its a difficult decision to make.
I mean nothing at all ever came up that would indicate even an hint of that being the case. It would also be a stupidly high risk to take for a company like Blizz to stage their whole event (which would be a criminal affair) just to make storyline happen.
There could have been match fixing at blizzcon just like in any other events but considering no one ever raise suspicion about it I don't see the point of deleting the vod, it's not like the games in of themselves are evidence of match fixing or not.
It's most likely just a PR move, they want the world to forgot that there was ever any matchfixing in Blizzard esport/forget Life existed.
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On August 28 2019 01:27 kajtarp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2019 01:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Blizzard is in a tough spot. Its a difficult decision to make. Difficult decision to make my ass. Life was stripped of his titles, hes banned forever playing sc2. He got punished enough already, theres absolutely not necessary to go beyond further.
what is the point of publishing a game with a pre-determined ending? Competitive SC2 isn't the WWE.
On August 28 2019 01:38 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2019 01:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 28 2019 00:14 kajtarp wrote:
This move from Blizz is quite an exaggaration and really annoying tbh. I wanted to rewatch Life's games because he was one of the most entertaining player this game ever had. I am planning this for a while now. On top of my list was Blizzcon 2014 and 2015... Not only because of life, but also because of his opponents who retired since... Well, i guess one less reason now to spend time with sc2... Is it possible some of those games had a predetermined ending? So then the game itself was just a staged show? The players create as entertaining a game as possible before it reaches a predetermined conclusion ? in this case you might want to delete the game completely. Blizzard is in a tough spot. Its a difficult decision to make. Huh what? I mean nothing at all ever came up that would indicate even an hint of that being the case. It would also be a stupidly high risk to take for a company like Blizz to stage their whole event (which would be a criminal affair) just to make storyline happen. There could have been match fixing at blizzcon just like in any other events but considering no one ever raise suspicion about it I don't see the point of deleting the vod, it's not like the games in of themselves are evidence of match fixing or not. It's most likely just a PR move, they want the world to forgot that there was ever any matchfixing in Blizzard esport/forget Life existed.
If the ending is predetermined its reasonable to assume the players give the fans a good show. It is unreasonable to think the players want to put on a bad show for the fans. This happens in other match fixing scandals.
what is the point of watching a match-fixed game?
Now, if he is falsely convicted and didn't engage in match-fixing.. that's a different question.
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Canada8989 Posts
On August 28 2019 01:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2019 01:27 kajtarp wrote:On August 28 2019 01:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Blizzard is in a tough spot. Its a difficult decision to make. Difficult decision to make my ass. Life was stripped of his titles, hes banned forever playing sc2. He got punished enough already, theres absolutely not necessary to go beyond further. what is the point of publishing a game with a pre-determined ending? Competitive SC2 isn't the WWE. Show nested quote +On August 28 2019 01:38 Nakajin wrote:On August 28 2019 01:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 28 2019 00:14 kajtarp wrote:
This move from Blizz is quite an exaggaration and really annoying tbh. I wanted to rewatch Life's games because he was one of the most entertaining player this game ever had. I am planning this for a while now. On top of my list was Blizzcon 2014 and 2015... Not only because of life, but also because of his opponents who retired since... Well, i guess one less reason now to spend time with sc2... Is it possible some of those games had a predetermined ending? So then the game itself was just a staged show? The players create as entertaining a game as possible before it reaches a predetermined conclusion ? in this case you might want to delete the game completely. Blizzard is in a tough spot. Its a difficult decision to make. Huh what? I mean nothing at all ever came up that would indicate even an hint of that being the case. It would also be a stupidly high risk to take for a company like Blizz to stage their whole event (which would be a criminal affair) just to make storyline happen. There could have been match fixing at blizzcon just like in any other events but considering no one ever raise suspicion about it I don't see the point of deleting the vod, it's not like the games in of themselves are evidence of match fixing or not. It's most likely just a PR move, they want the world to forgot that there was ever any matchfixing in Blizzard esport/forget Life existed. if the ending is predetermined its reasonable to assume the players give the fans a good show. it is unreasonable to think the players want to put on a bad show for the fans. this happens in other match fixing scandals. what is the point of watching a match-fixed game? Now, if he is falsely convicted and didn't engage in match-fixing.. that's a different question.
But no one ever accused him of fixing his Blizzcon games
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 28 2019 01:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2019 01:27 kajtarp wrote:On August 28 2019 01:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Blizzard is in a tough spot. Its a difficult decision to make. Difficult decision to make my ass. Life was stripped of his titles, hes banned forever playing sc2. He got punished enough already, theres absolutely not necessary to go beyond further. what is the point of publishing a game with a pre-determined ending? Competitive SC2 isn't the WWE. Show nested quote +On August 28 2019 01:38 Nakajin wrote:On August 28 2019 01:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 28 2019 00:14 kajtarp wrote:
This move from Blizz is quite an exaggaration and really annoying tbh. I wanted to rewatch Life's games because he was one of the most entertaining player this game ever had. I am planning this for a while now. On top of my list was Blizzcon 2014 and 2015... Not only because of life, but also because of his opponents who retired since... Well, i guess one less reason now to spend time with sc2... Is it possible some of those games had a predetermined ending? So then the game itself was just a staged show? The players create as entertaining a game as possible before it reaches a predetermined conclusion ? in this case you might want to delete the game completely. Blizzard is in a tough spot. Its a difficult decision to make. Huh what? I mean nothing at all ever came up that would indicate even an hint of that being the case. It would also be a stupidly high risk to take for a company like Blizz to stage their whole event (which would be a criminal affair) just to make storyline happen. There could have been match fixing at blizzcon just like in any other events but considering no one ever raise suspicion about it I don't see the point of deleting the vod, it's not like the games in of themselves are evidence of match fixing or not. It's most likely just a PR move, they want the world to forgot that there was ever any matchfixing in Blizzard esport/forget Life existed. If the ending is predetermined its reasonable to assume the players give the fans a good show. It is unreasonable to think the players want to put on a bad show for the fans. This happens in other match fixing scandals. what is the point of watching a match-fixed game? Now, if he is falsely convicted and didn't engage in match-fixing.. that's a different question.
Am i watching someone legitimately use "guilty until proven innocent" logic here? He is convicted (and was accused) on a set of games, none of which have anything to do with Blizzcon.
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Korea (South)227 Posts
Whats kind of funny about this situation is that the Korean cast VODS (Chaester, Canata and Yoo Dae Hyun did their own cast of 2015 global finals in Korean) are all pretty much well and safe on the SPOTV youtube channel. I guess Blizzard just doesn't remember this? Hopefully it stays that way, I always want to be able to see sOs win his second Blizzcon title via vods.
And yeah, this decision really is overkill. We know Life is a litte piece of garbage who sold out the entire SC2 scene for money despite being a successful star, but we can still remove that persona from the player that he was and enjoy that without any killjoy.
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On August 28 2019 13:55 Orlok wrote:
Whats kind of funny about this situation is that the Korean cast VODS (Chaester, Canata and Yoo Dae Hyun did their own cast of 2015 global finals in Korean) are all pretty much well and safe on the SPOTV youtube channel. I guess Blizzard just doesn't remember this? Hopefully it stays that way, I always want to be able to see sOs win his second Blizzcon title via vods.
And yeah, this decision really is overkill. We know Life is a litte piece of garbage who sold out the entire SC2 scene for money despite being a successful star, but we can still remove that persona from the player that he was and enjoy that without any killjoy.
What else is kinda funny is that SPOTV removed some 2015 Proleague VODs from other matchfixers like BBoongBBoong & YoDa. But strangely enough the Life VODs are still there.
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Well.There are WCS2015 VODs like Life vs Inno.Esport TV didn't hide these.
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On August 28 2019 14:08 Chris_Havoc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2019 13:55 Orlok wrote:
Whats kind of funny about this situation is that the Korean cast VODS (Chaester, Canata and Yoo Dae Hyun did their own cast of 2015 global finals in Korean) are all pretty much well and safe on the SPOTV youtube channel. I guess Blizzard just doesn't remember this? Hopefully it stays that way, I always want to be able to see sOs win his second Blizzcon title via vods.
And yeah, this decision really is overkill. We know Life is a litte piece of garbage who sold out the entire SC2 scene for money despite being a successful star, but we can still remove that persona from the player that he was and enjoy that without any killjoy. What else is kinda funny is that SPOTV removed some 2015 Proleague VODs from other matchfixers like BBoongBBoong & YoDa. But strangely enough the Life VODs are still there.
Yes, they removed these.However, there are still other language version VODs.
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