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United Kingdom20340 Posts
On August 26 2019 00:47 outscar wrote:
This 100% unfair to delete, erase Life's accomplishments. Kid won all of those before throwing some matches at KeSPA cup. In all other big sports people do 10x worse things and get away with it like nothing happened. He already got his punishment, why destroy past? Stupid BS.
It's absolutely fair to Life, it's not fair to everybody else involved who did nothing wrong; they merely played and/or watched the game.
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Russian Federation66 Posts
This is really sad, I always re-watch best Blizzcon games before actual current year Blizzcon every time 2015 Finals and Live vs TaeJa on King Sejong are the biggest losses. For some reason I can watch 2015 games, but 2014 games with Life are indeed blocked.
I hope this will be reversed or maybe someone has saved an archive and re-uploads these marvelous games we once experienced, just like with Husky's Bronze League Heroes 
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On August 26 2019 01:30 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2019 00:47 outscar wrote:
This 100% unfair to delete, erase Life's accomplishments. Kid won all of those before throwing some matches at KeSPA cup. In all other big sports people do 10x worse things and get away with it like nothing happened. He already got his punishment, why destroy past? Stupid BS. It's absolutely fair to Life, it's not fair to everybody else involved who did nothing wrong; they merely played and/or watched the game.
you would have a point if he cheated to obtain those titles
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Stupid decision. He won the tournament fair and square. Bring the vods back.
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fake outrage about rightfully shaming a cheater, not an issue, not important, affects nothing
the people pretending they're angry about this were never going to go back and watch those games, just something for bored people to talk about
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Blizzard is just trying to discourage countless other young men and women from match fixing after becoming the best player in the world.
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stupid. so stupid. Life is stil the GOAT for me Inno is #2
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On August 26 2019 02:38 brickrd wrote:
fake outrage about rightfully shaming a cheater, not an issue, not important, affects nothing
the people pretending they're angry about this were never going to go back and watch those games, just something for bored people to talk about
Life is not a cheater, never was
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Russian Federation421 Posts
People from Blizzard used to come here, can we get an answer about what happened?
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I think we should include an "if" in our assumption that Blizzard removed it because of Life's fraud. I really see no other explanation but we don't know for sure.
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So the taeja/life semi is only available in french, that's suck.
Anyway, this "I erase stuffs because I don't like it" is both a pitiful and dangerous mentality.
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Ppl need to download all tournaments and make a torrent or something for them. I remember there was a topic with all OSL/MSL archived back then for BW, if you care for SC2 you should do too. Blizz isn't same Blizz anymore so expect anything.
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On August 26 2019 02:38 brickrd wrote:
fake outrage about rightfully shaming a cheater, not an issue, not important, affects nothing
the people pretending they're angry about this were never going to go back and watch those games, just something for bored people to talk about
It's not shaming, it's entirely removing them from the history. That's very different.
As for point 2: I've gone back and watched Life vs Taeja almost every year since it was played. There were some amazing games there that stand out in even the most brief glance over the history of SC2.
Very, very strongly disagree with this decision, and I hope the internet does its thing and pops up enough copies that those videos don't just get erased.
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On August 26 2019 04:05 outscar wrote:
Ppl need to download all tournaments and make a torrent or something for them. I remember there was a topic with all OSL/MSL archived back then for BW, if you care for SC2 you should do too. Blizz isn't same Blizz anymore so expect anything.
It will be a huge task.
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On August 25 2019 23:43 RealityTheGreat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2019 22:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
There’s no VODs of these or are they just unlisted from searching? WCS2014 VODs which include Life had been closed(can not watch, can not download). Other VODs are hidden from search engine of Youtube.
There are some unofficial uploaded VODs.
It is lucky that gomtv doesn't lock Life's VOD.
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Northern Ireland27185 Posts
On August 26 2019 04:21 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2019 02:38 brickrd wrote:
fake outrage about rightfully shaming a cheater, not an issue, not important, affects nothing
the people pretending they're angry about this were never going to go back and watch those games, just something for bored people to talk about It's not shaming, it's entirely removing them from the history. That's very different. As for point 2: I've gone back and watched Life vs Taeja almost every year since it was played. There were some amazing games there that stand out in even the most brief glance over the history of SC2. Very, very strongly disagree with this decision, and I hope the internet does its thing and pops up enough copies that those videos don't just get erased.
Indeed. It doesn’t just take away from Life to scrub these VODs, but from looking back at the careers of other players in the scene too.
For every post saying Taeja was overrated, well I can go watch peak Taeja vs a Life at the top of his powers in one of the best series we’ve had.
Maybe sOs wants to show his kids/grandkids when he won a Blizzcon, if they do remove Life related VODs to shame Life does it really accomplish that or does it just erase too much of Starcraft’s history as collateral damage?
I’m fine with the omertà in mentioning the guy in current broadcasts, but removing old VODs stops fans from watching old favourites and from the history of the scene being properly preserved.
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On August 26 2019 04:05 outscar wrote:
Ppl need to download all tournaments and make a torrent or something for them. I remember there was a topic with all OSL/MSL archived back then for BW, if you care for SC2 you should do too. Blizz isn't same Blizz anymore so expect anything.
The SC2Vods channel on Twitch has almost all of the SC2 tournaments and some of the BW ones available as well. I believe there is even torrents for each of the tournaments available now (although all together its multiple terabytes).
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On August 26 2019 00:47 outscar wrote:
This 100% unfair to delete, erase Life's accomplishments. Kid won all of those before throwing some matches at KeSPA cup. In all other big sports people do 10x worse things and get away with it like nothing happened. He already got his punishment, why destroy past? Stupid BS.
Completely normal to strip him of his titles. What he's done is very harmful to any modestly-sized competitive game. He was one of the best players in the game and tainted its legitimacy.
But the censoring of VODs I'm skeptical about. Doesn't really serve much purpose. And obviously it's unfair to the other players.
People have to understand that eSports are not like mainstream sports in that they cannot take many blows to their legitimacy (via cheating scandals and the like). Everybody will continue to play and watch football. Nobody cares if some high-profile games were fixed. Starcraft in comparison is ridiculously small, one of its best assets is its competitiveness, if you remove that you kind of kill the eSport. The stripping of the titles is the scene's way of saying "don't fuck with our game, nobody will glorify you for it, we'll make sure of that".
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Northern Ireland27185 Posts
On August 26 2019 08:44 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2019 00:47 outscar wrote:
This 100% unfair to delete, erase Life's accomplishments. Kid won all of those before throwing some matches at KeSPA cup. In all other big sports people do 10x worse things and get away with it like nothing happened. He already got his punishment, why destroy past? Stupid BS. Completely normal to strip him of his titles. What he's done is very harmful to any modestly-sized competitive game. He was one of the best players in the game and tainted its legitimacy. But the censoring of VODs I'm skeptical about. Doesn't really serve much purpose. And obviously it's unfair to the other players. People have to understand that eSports are not like mainstream sports in that they cannot take many blows to their legitimacy (via cheating scandals and the like). Everybody will continue to play football. Nobody cares if some high-profile games were fixed. Starcraft in comparison is ridiculously small, one of its best assets is its competitiveness, if you remove that you kind of kill the eSports.
Yeah I tend to agree here. Cheating scandals don’t significantly dent sponsor money in other more established events, be it the Tour de France or the Olympics. They’re a pretty dang big deal in something as niche as competitive Starcraft. Which we’ve now sadly seen twice really impact the appetite of sponsors to be involved.
Especially after the Brood War match-fixing scandal, the damage it did, to fall into a trap you’d already seen the consequences of. When you’re already earning bank as a star in a healthy scene?
Something like Proleague is way more vulnerable to the prospect of throwing matches than big individual tournaments, and that’s the area, the breeding ground for Korean talent that was sacrificed ultimately here. Maybe they pull out anyway but it’s surely a factor.
A complete disregard for this, his peers, the fans of the scene worldwide, absolutely exorcise Life from the scene now. However don’t prevent the fans from watching the VoDs of a great player playing against the best of the time. That’s part of Starcraft history, part of our shared experience watching a young phenom mature and face off against the other elite.
It’s a sad downfall sure, but why deprive everyone of at least flipping back time to a period where we could just admire one of the best players to ever play the game? It doesn’t further punish Life really, just fans, it punishes players who played great series against him if the idea is just to scrub any VODs he played in. ‘I beat Life at Blizzcon son.’ ‘Who’s Life?’
I’m absolutely against this process. I’ve watched the game since launch. Whenever the mood hits me I’ll watch classic series from the past, Mvp vs Squirtle frequently.
Oh I can’t watch Mvp’s GSL run and the epic finals vs Life now? With how it feeds into Mvp’s story and how he almost claimed that GSL with banjaxed wrists, guile and tailored builds but yet came up short ultimately?
That’s a big part of the Mvp story, not even Life’s so much. How do you tell these stories without the context? Which is what will happen if the policy going forward is just to scrub Life VODs
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On August 26 2019 03:07 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2019 02:38 brickrd wrote:
fake outrage about rightfully shaming a cheater, not an issue, not important, affects nothing
the people pretending they're angry about this were never going to go back and watch those games, just something for bored people to talk about Life is not a cheater, never was
he cheated the system to get free money instead of earning it by winning fairly. cheating the game engine by hacking isn't the only way to "cheat." just like you can cheat on a partner you can also cheat the league, cheat fans, etc. he's a cheat.
anyway like i said no one actually cares that much about this, it's just a bunch of thought experiment moralizing. this literally affects absolutely nothing. the "what ifs" are insane, if sOs wants to show his kids the vods one day then im sure he can easily get them lmao. i'm more concerned about things that affect the real world than whether recordings of video games are hosted by a company
hilarious that anyone can get worked up over things like this when real people suffer in the real world
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