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Northern Ireland25159 Posts
On August 26 2019 09:26 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2019 03:07 Paljas wrote:On August 26 2019 02:38 brickrd wrote:
fake outrage about rightfully shaming a cheater, not an issue, not important, affects nothing
the people pretending they're angry about this were never going to go back and watch those games, just something for bored people to talk about Life is not a cheater, never was he cheated the system to get free money instead of earning it by winning fairly. cheating the game engine by hacking isn't the only way to "cheat." just like you can cheat on a partner you can also cheat the league, cheat fans, etc. he's a cheat. anyway like i said no one actually cares that much about this, it's just a bunch of thought experiment moralizing. this literally affects absolutely nothing. the "what ifs" are insane, if sOs wants to show his kids the vods one day then im sure he can easily get them lmao. i'm more concerned about things that affect the real world than whether recordings of video games are hosted by a company hilarious that anyone can get worked up over things like this when real people suffer in the real world
Well people care if it’s their decades long hobby that they’ve invested a lot in, doesn’t really matter if it’s insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
Sure Life’s VODs being pulled are relativistically small when the Amazon is burning, or global poverty is a thing or whatever.
As an independent phenomenon, well you’re just arguing that it doesn’t matter because x is more important, not over the actual decision being made here or whether it’s appropriate or not.
If expunging everything related to him is appropriate, argue as to why, the whole ‘something worse is happening in the world’ argument is bullshit, nobody’s arguing that SC>real life considerations
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On August 26 2019 09:26 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2019 03:07 Paljas wrote:On August 26 2019 02:38 brickrd wrote:
fake outrage about rightfully shaming a cheater, not an issue, not important, affects nothing
the people pretending they're angry about this were never going to go back and watch those games, just something for bored people to talk about Life is not a cheater, never was he cheated the system to get free money instead of earning it by winning fairly. cheating the game engine by hacking isn't the only way to "cheat." just like you can cheat on a partner you can also cheat the league, cheat fans, etc. he's a cheat. anyway like i said no one actually cares that much about this, it's just a bunch of thought experiment moralizing. this literally affects absolutely nothing. the "what ifs" are insane, if sOs wants to show his kids the vods one day then im sure he can easily get them lmao. i'm more concerned about things that affect the real world than whether recordings of video games are hosted by a company hilarious that anyone can get worked up over things like this when real people suffer in the real world
Says the guy who gets worked up over other people complaining about whether recordings are hosted by a company or not when real people suffer in the real world.
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A big fan of Life or not, this pisses me off, and it would be upsetting if it happened to even some of the players I dislike the most. I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said. Scrubbing Life's matches from SC2 video history is tasteless, unneccessary, and absolute overkill. Hiding whole tournaments is despicable.
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Wow, that's messed up. Blizzard won't be getting any of my money going forward.
Also what hell is up with this misinformation and defamation on these forums? People can make false statements about players with no repercussions?
Life never cheated to win, he threw some games which he was favoured to win aka match fixing. All his tournament wins were legitimate, he never won any trophy by cheating.
Lastly, Life was a kid who was manipulated. It's basically blackmail..
For those who don't know how the match fixing happens, read this thread https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/532108-stork-on-how-sc2-match-fixing-
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On August 26 2019 09:26 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2019 03:07 Paljas wrote:On August 26 2019 02:38 brickrd wrote:
fake outrage about rightfully shaming a cheater, not an issue, not important, affects nothing
the people pretending they're angry about this were never going to go back and watch those games, just something for bored people to talk about Life is not a cheater, never was he cheated the system to get free money instead of earning it by winning fairly. cheating the game engine by hacking isn't the only way to "cheat." just like you can cheat on a partner you can also cheat the league, cheat fans, etc. he's a cheat.
cheating has a very specific meaning in this context, you babbling fool
User was warned for this post.
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This is just retarded but it does say a lot about what Blizzard thinks of the people that follow their game.
I find it very similar to what China or any other country has been doing about history facts they don't like:
if you delete it from the archive it will not have happened.
If it works or not depends on how much people care about those records. In the end it's their videos they are deleting .
Their property they can do with it whatever they want.
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The damage Life and the other match fixers did to SC2 can't be calculated, I won't hold anything against Blizzard for doing their part to scrub them from SC2's history.
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You won't learn from previous mistakes by trying to hide them. Oh well. (it's like the confederate statue debate)
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Wait, we should talking about hidden VODs, not Life.
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On August 26 2019 12:33 Solar424 wrote:
The damage Life and the other match fixers did to SC2 can't be calculated, I won't hold anything against Blizzard for doing their part to scrub them from SC2's history.
Essentially my thoughts, with a lot less graciousness and more language that would probably get me temp banned to the people still defending him.
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I dont even know why life still has a lot of fan after he did. Maybe this is a western thing.
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Frankly, couldn't care less if Blizzard erases those Life's VODs off the internet completely. He is a disgrace to Korean scene. He was BlizzCon/DH/IEM/GSL champion and then matchfixed. Talking about bottomless greed. However, deleting the entire tournament's VODs is overkilled.
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On August 26 2019 12:51 dgwow wrote:
You won't learn from previous mistakes by trying to hide them. Oh well. (it's like the confederate statue debate)
Led Zeppelin is this bizarre kind of celebration of the Hindenburg disaster. And yet no one would argue the deaths of 36 people is a cause for celebration.
Its weird how all these rules get created about what we're supposed to remember ... and how we are committing a "thought crime" by thinking about something.. anything.. in a way that goes against whatever the current mob mentality is.
I think they should leave the videos up and include an edited-in message that states Life was caught match fixing. Match fixing is a part of competitive Starcraft. Let's not pretend we are living in some imaginary perfect world.
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we should not divorce the play from the personality at all. He was a shit who got at least part of what he deserved. That said, the vods aren't just about him, and should be viewable
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On August 26 2019 12:33 Solar424 wrote:
The damage Life and the other match fixers did to SC2 can't be calculated, I won't hold anything against Blizzard for doing their part to scrub them from SC2's history.
it's probably in the 2 digit millions for sc2. What it did to BW was far more devastating. It really helped kill the game. Still bad in both though
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On August 26 2019 09:26 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2019 03:07 Paljas wrote:On August 26 2019 02:38 brickrd wrote:
fake outrage about rightfully shaming a cheater, not an issue, not important, affects nothing
the people pretending they're angry about this were never going to go back and watch those games, just something for bored people to talk about Life is not a cheater, never was he cheated the system to get free money instead of earning it by winning fairly. cheating the game engine by hacking isn't the only way to "cheat." just like you can cheat on a partner you can also cheat the league, cheat fans, etc. he's a cheat. anyway like i said no one actually cares that much about this, it's just a bunch of thought experiment moralizing. this literally affects absolutely nothing. the "what ifs" are insane, if sOs wants to show his kids the vods one day then im sure he can easily get them lmao. i'm more concerned about things that affect the real world than whether recordings of video games are hosted by a company hilarious that anyone can get worked up over things like this when real people suffer in the real world
But he didn't cheat the system this time and you got robbed.
The last argument is so poor, real people are suffering on the real world so why are you not helping instead of writting silly stuff on a sc2 forum ?
Btw, I would be grateful if you try to think just about this "experimenting moralizing" stuff.
You're erasing history not because something shameful has been done but because YOU have done something shameful. Negationnists, dictatures who commited massacrer, that's their method, gratz for validating them.
It's hard to describe the disgust I have to read all these parangon of morality, you can smell all the hypocrisie and resentment from miles.
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well it's obviously as an impactful punishment and deterrent to other players
"match fixing will not be tolerated, if you do it, we will erase you"
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Life probably doesn't give a shit his matches are getting taken down or delisted. I have a hard time believing he can take part in the sc2 community or watch his old sc2 games without feeling any combination of regret/anxiety, hopefully with some shame and guilt mixed in.
It is so stupid, how do we make sure no one matchfixes again? How about erasing that matchfixing ever happened so no one knows the consequences and someone inevetiably will make the same mistakes all over again.
You can't erase history and send a warning signal at the same time, its a contradiction. To deny his existence is a mistake that closes the door on discussing what actually happened and how to prevent it in the future.
Do not talk about Life, do not include Life in lists and so on but for the love of starcraft keep the history alive so it will not just be repeated.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
Doing it now and not right away is stupid. They should have left the VODs up there.
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Does anyone actually know what happened to Life? I feel bad for him as he screwed up his whole life due to one very bad decision at age 16.
I believe he had dropped out of school to pursue being a pro gamer so I don't think he will have much of work opportunities as education is everything over there. On top of that, googling his name in Korean returns his wiki which talks about his arrest etc. and in Korea they don't believe in redemption or second chances so I assume he is screwed for life.
Also were there any reports as to what happened to the people who had manipulated and bullied him into match fixing? I don't remember reading anything about it.
Edit - I just read a Korean article, apparently he was sentenced to 1 year jail and 3 years probation. So I assume he is still on probation, ending this year.
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