EPTWolf's Pack kicks and threatens to sue players - Page 2
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TaylorG
Canada9 Posts
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Newspaper_tl
Greece3 Posts
it's true that @Fazz was in the managment, too? One of his first tasks was to correct the player contracts, that nightwarrior wrote ? According to #general chat, players were notified by Nightwarrior - that the contracts had errors, he had distributed. Nightwarrior, who drafted the contracts, was kicked out of the management for the some reasons. Nobody wanted or could tell me why. Fazz was kicked out of the management because he did not fulfill his duties with the Contracts and other tasks? So he complains his own unfinished work, right now ? Sounds a bit like a dissatisfied ex-manager. When talking to the Wolf Pack players who should be affected. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On June 30 2019 14:03 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: Unions would just make it worse; people really need to read what they sign How would unions make it worse? It probably won't be an union in the legal sense of a representative of employees, because of how scattered the scene is across countries, which would make such entity unpractical. But an organization funded and maintained by players for the players, helping them in legal issues, demanding certain conditions to be universally met and advising players against shady practices would be extremely helpful, considering the youth and life inexperience of most players. | ||
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Newspaper_tl
Greece3 Posts
The assessment limit is not that high. At least in Greece, it is 8000 € per year including all income. | ||
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FazzSC2
9 Posts
On July 01 2019 16:51 Newspaper_tl wrote: After I was on the Discord and talked with players also with managers. it's true that @Fazz was in the managment, too? One of his first tasks was to correct the player contracts, that nightwarrior wrote ? According to #general chat, players were notified by Nightwarrior - that the contracts had errors, he had distributed. Nightwarrior, who drafted the contracts, was kicked out of the management for the some reasons. Nobody wanted or could tell me why. Fazz was kicked out of the management because he did not fulfill his duties with the Contracts and other tasks? So he complains his own unfinished work, right now ? Sounds a bit like a dissatisfied ex-manager. When talking to the Wolf Pack players who should be affected. I would like to immediately say this is not true. I joined the team as a team manager of the pro team. My jobs in the team were but not limited to: Player engagement, make sure the player's needs are being met. the players meet their contract's obligations, Team League line-ups and supervising, and due to the other manager's language skills I was mostly active with the players talking about the game, their progress, their school, their work and what's going on in their lives to give them some head space. This indeed is not a lot of work, but I was unpaid and had no contract. I did this job out of passion for the scene and for the game. On the side I have been working on reworking the contract. So it's false that my only purpose on the team was the contract, it was only a "smaller" side project of mine due to my interests in it. I would also like to talk about the #General chat. Players might have been notified by Nightwarrior that the contract had errors. This was known for longer than 3 months. However, these contracts were still legally binding. They weren't good, but legally binding. I have seen my kick coming for a few weeks, I am not going to lie there. There was a language barrier between the team owner and me, and the team owner started doing many, many weird things behind the managements back. | ||
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FazzSC2
9 Posts
How would unions make it worse? It probably won't be an union in the legal sense of a representative of employees, because of how scattered the scene is across countries, which would make such entity unpractical. But an organization funded and maintained by players for the players, helping them in legal issues, demanding certain conditions to be universally met and advising players against shady practices would be extremely helpful, considering the youth and life inexperience of most players. I agree with you. This is what I meant. A real big legal player's union is too much of a hassle at the moment. But this is already happening in the USA: https://twitter.com/Morrison https://twitter.com/esportslaw Both of these two great gentlemen are representing players in the US, helping players in legal issues (like Tfue), demanding certain conditions in contracts | ||
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Newspaper_tl
Greece3 Posts
On July 01 2019 17:52 FazzSC2 wrote: .. it was only a "smaller" side project of mine due to my interests in it. .. So you're complaining about this "smaller" side project? Thank you for the deeper insight | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
On July 01 2019 18:19 Newspaper_tl wrote: So you're complaining about this "smaller" side project? Thank you for the deeper insight I don't know who sent you from WP (nice fresh account  ), but i would recommend looking at the screenshots of the convos... | ||
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FazzSC2
9 Posts
On July 01 2019 18:19 Newspaper_tl wrote: So you're complaining about this "smaller" side project? Thank you for the deeper insight The contract I was working on, was indeed a side project of mine. This wasn't the reason I joined the team. Only when I asked about the player's contracts, a few days after I joined, I started working on it. You're free to message me anywhere if you want | ||
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PharaphobiaSC
Czech Republic457 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9771 Posts
On July 01 2019 16:51 Newspaper_tl wrote: After I was on the Discord and talked with players also with managers. it's true that @Fazz was in the managment, too? One of his first tasks was to correct the player contracts, that nightwarrior wrote ? According to #general chat, players were notified by Nightwarrior - that the contracts had errors, he had distributed. Nightwarrior, who drafted the contracts, was kicked out of the management for the some reasons. Nobody wanted or could tell me why. Fazz was kicked out of the management because he did not fulfill his duties with the Contracts and other tasks? So he complains his own unfinished work, right now ? Sounds a bit like a dissatisfied ex-manager. When talking to the Wolf Pack players who should be affected. You joined up to tl.net just talk about this one story? That's a very specific interest you have in this. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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MrFreeman
207 Posts
On July 02 2019 02:54 brickrd wrote: posting "people should know better" in response to these stories is exactly the same as saying "i don't care, if you get scammed it's your own fault," which is morally as bad as being the scammer. Wait, wanting people to take responsibility is the same as causing them harm? So are you saying that people are idiots? In that case, how do you decide who is the chosen one to think for them? Getting burned isn't great, but it sure is an opportunity to learn and be vigilant the next time around. | ||
hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
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