EPTThats one person, I generally think we should have more experienced composers make music for Sc2 if we want the game to have the epic feeling, thats just my opinion. The music composers that did the songs for warcraft and some of the songs for starcraft were npt really that well known, or as well experienced.
Diffrent music composer please
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Duffybeer
China183 Posts
Thats one person, I generally think we should have more experienced composers make music for Sc2 if we want the game to have the epic feeling, thats just my opinion. The music composers that did the songs for warcraft and some of the songs for starcraft were npt really that well known, or as well experienced. | ||
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HolyToss1911
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Mynock
4492 Posts
The music for WarCraft, WarCraft II and the Terran music for SC is absolutely outstanding. Especially War II is one of the best game musics like... ever. So, more respect please. -Mynock | ||
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
I honestly would like to hear shit as crazy as possible. SC and BW have really interesting scores, very recognizable. It would be too easy to just have the typical overdone sci-fi score stuff like in the trailers. I have no doubts that is the kind of music it will have but there is a reason why when I play a game like Street Fighter 2 I still love the music, 15+ years later. SC similarly has memorable tunage, whereas I cant think of a single piece of music in WC3 or WoW or Diablo(Except the intro music) or anything Soule has done. And imo Jeremy Soule is fine and all but honestly dude aint very interesting or dynamic, he just writes ok "samey" type of stuff. IWD was prob his best work to me, and people really need to get over using "epic" to describe every fucking thing under the sun lately. | ||
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CowGoMoo
United States428 Posts
I am sure the SC2 music will be good, maybe not great, but most people probably listen to their own music anyways so who really cares? | ||
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Duffybeer
China183 Posts
On June 08 2007 20:49 red.venom wrote: Bliz has a lot of new music talent and I would say in the 10 years since SC was in production they have definitely stepped up the production value on their game scores. I mean you could argue they have some of the best shit right now as far as orchestral/background game music goes. I honestly would like to hear shit as crazy as possible. SC and BW have really interesting scores, very recognizable. It would be too easy to just have the typical overdone sci-fi score stuff like in the trailers. I have no doubts that is the kind of music it will have but there is a reason why when I play a game like Street Fighter 2 I still love the music, 15+ years later. SC similarly has memorable tunage, whereas I cant think of a single piece of music in WC3 or WoW or Diablo(Except the intro music) or anything Soule has done. And imo Jeremy Soule is fine and all but honestly dude aint very interesting or dynamic, he just writes ok "samey" type of stuff. IWD was prob his best work to me, and people really need to get over using "epic" to describe every fucking thing under the sun lately. Apparently the music for war3 wasn't really what you described and it was worse them "samey". | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
By contrast, games like War2, SC, War3 need more dramatic and intense music, which they have. Personally I prefer this sort of music better than the orchestral stuff. War3 most definitely has some memorable music, especially the Human theme. I expect SC2 to have music on par or surpassing the spirit and style of SC. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
i think there are way more people who want more of the awesome music from those 3 artists than people who dont want it I love the music so much that I got and started learning how to use mixing software to mix the original themes | ||
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gravity
Australia1847 Posts
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Oak
South Africa114 Posts
I hope that Blizzard reproduce the excellence they have shown in the music of Diablo, Starcraft, Diablo II and Warcraft 3 for Starcraft II. Music I find is such an integral part of the game experience. Do it right, and it adds so much to the game, do it wrong, and it can seriously detract from a game that might be excellent otherwise. BTW, am I alone in thinking that the music in the original Diablo is simply some of the best game music ever conceived? Especially for the type of game it is. | ||
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Bob123
Korea (North)259 Posts
The Zerg music = perfectly fits with the zerg style. A bit creepy. Second best ever! The Protoss music = .....rather boring... | ||
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
the terran is definitely the best though yeah and zerg also very good, perfect for zerg, and when it gets to the more dramatic portions..that's my favorite part | ||
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
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Bob123
Korea (North)259 Posts
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-Sleet-
Poland84 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
As for StarCraft, it's music is wondrous. It's not precisely dramatic or mind-blowing, but it pleases the ear and you never get bored with it. That's the best qualitative measure of a soundtrack when you're up to play 1000+ hours of something. While some changes (new themes, abit more dynamic, probably, but only abit) are welcome, music is something that SC had close to perfect, so approach this with care. Warcraft III's soundtrack, on the contrary, was pretty mediocre. Imo, some of the tracks were too ambient. A striking theme is something an RTS sountrack shouldn't aim for, but Warcraft III Orc tracks seemed to lack any theme at all. TFT had better music (ahh, the NE theme for TFT was in fact really cool), but still, War III with it's addon scores lower than BW in terms of music for my liking. And please no heroic themes. FFS please. StarCraft is a sci-fi cruel world with treachery, deceit and lack of morals behind every corner, with good and evil undefined. We really don't need Independence Day-like cheap heroical music themes here, really, it will ruin the atmoshpere. This comes from hearing the music in the trailers and on Blizzard's site. I don't need anything epic, just give me my shuttle and reaver and some rock'n'roll in the earphones. | ||
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stim[mic]
Australia93 Posts
On June 09 2007 02:49 -Sleet- wrote: YES HANS ZIMMER FIGHTING!!Hans Zimmer plz^^ | ||
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LastWish
2013 Posts
It can make up for bad gameplay really. I don't care too much for graphics since I don't like modern all 3d games, I'm more a oldscholl draw graphics or izometric(pre-rendered is ok, but drawn owns). War2 music was awesome I remember I had those midi's and an old AWE64 card with it's awesome midi synthesis... Made all those all midi music in all those old games(War2, Heroes2, Bermuda Syndrome, Tyrian...) like 300% better. Too bad it was only isa, but still I have it stored in old pc as a reminder. ... Diablo 2 music rox especially in act 5 those 3-4 orchestral songs are just art. | ||
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Stegosaur
Netherlands1231 Posts
I'll cry if we lose the zerg guitar! | ||
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Tracil
Australia505 Posts
I'm pretty sure I saw a couple ads for composers on the blizz site, so my guess is we'll see someone totally new on SC2. | ||
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sOnagi[3.33]
Korea (South)886 Posts
On June 09 2007 02:55 BluzMan wrote: First of all, Jeremy Soule's best work was indeed Icewind Dale. He's just made for that kind of games, and, well, StarCraft is probably the farthest thing from a DnD atmosphere-based RPG IWD was. So, no Jeremy Soule please. I really love his music, as well as Matt Uelmen's (Tristram theme from Diablo still has my bet as the best sound track made in computer games), but they focus on different games and different kind of music. As for StarCraft, it's music is wondrous. It's not precisely dramatic or mind-blowing, but it pleases the ear and you never get bored with it. That's the best qualitative measure of a soundtrack when you're up to play 1000+ hours of something. While some changes (new themes, abit more dynamic, probably, but only abit) are welcome, music is something that SC had close to perfect, so approach this with care. Warcraft III's soundtrack, on the contrary, was pretty mediocre. Imo, some of the tracks were too ambient. A striking theme is something an RTS sountrack shouldn't aim for, but Warcraft III Orc tracks seemed to lack any theme at all. TFT had better music (ahh, the NE theme for TFT was in fact really cool), but still, War III with it's addon scores lower than BW in terms of music for my liking. And please no heroic themes. FFS please. StarCraft is a sci-fi cruel world with treachery, deceit and lack of morals behind every corner, with good and evil undefined. We really don't need Independence Day-like cheap heroical music themes here, really, it will ruin the atmoshpere. This comes from hearing the music in the trailers and on Blizzard's site. I don't need anything epic, just give me my shuttle and reaver and some rock'n'roll in the earphones. totally agree although i like jeremy soule, his music doesn't fit too well with the starcraft world | ||
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NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
On June 08 2007 20:42 Mynock wrote: What? The music for WarCraft, WarCraft II and the Terran music for SC is absolutely outstanding. Especially War II is one of the best game musics like... ever. So, more respect please. -Mynock All of the tracks were outstanding. Mynock is certainly right. The composer for sc and bw was great - he was able to capture the essence of Terran, Protoss, and Zerg with the music. To anyone thinks less, then you are asking for more than is possible. | ||
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defenestrate
United States579 Posts
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alpskomleko
Slovenia950 Posts
On June 08 2007 21:27 Haemonculus wrote: war2, total annihilation and the original C&C had the best game music ever. Check out who composed the TA ost  Yep, Soule. | ||
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JouninX
United States25 Posts
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LZai
Sweden15 Posts
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
Oh god, and the guys who did the diablo 2 music were badly underappreciated. The music for crypts/dungeons in act one and the act one guitar based dark folk tracks were really good too. Wasn't a big fan of the rest of the work honestly. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
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Duffybeer
China183 Posts
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Chosi
Germany1302 Posts
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Duffybeer
China183 Posts
On June 09 2007 16:47 Chosi wrote: If any Soundtrack was outstanding it sure was Total Annihilation. Which was composed by non other then Jeremy soule, the guy I recommended. | ||
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
(Just found a nice interview with all the blizzard composers: http://archive.gamespy.com/legacy/interviews/blizzard_composers_a.shtm ) | ||
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Xiven
United States16 Posts
On June 08 2007 20:49 red.venom wrote: Bliz has a lot of new music talent and I would say in the 10 years since SC was in production they have definitely stepped up the production value on their game scores. I mean you could argue they have some of the best shit right now as far as orchestral/background game music goes. Blizzard doesn't even use real orchestras for their music, it's just samples being played back at different keys. Many companies record real music for their games, at great expense mind you (especially if they use the Los Angeles or London orchestras) but Blizzard is not one of them. If you're can't hear the difference, you're not really qualified to comment on this. | ||
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Hokay
United States738 Posts
I liked the "epic" music in the artwork trailer because it got me hyped about SC2 and emphasized on how huge the starcraft universe strife really is. Now would I want that music while I play ladder or a competition? Hell no it just doesn't make sense. I don't know why some people think blizzard would do that just because the trailer has epic music. Most likely the singleplayer campiagns, during a climatic episode will we have "epic" music or during a cutscene... | ||
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RebelHeart
New Zealand722 Posts
something like the intro song in Death Note - yeah yeah human fucker! | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
On June 09 2007 18:49 Xiven wrote: Blizzard doesn't even use real orchestras for their music, it's just samples being played back at different keys. Many companies record real music for their games, at great expense mind you (especially if they use the Los Angeles or London orchestras) but Blizzard is not one of them. If you're can't hear the difference, you're not really qualified to comment on this. What? http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/mp3/lod.shtml Earlier this year, a composer and crew from Blizzard North went to Bratislava, Slovakia to record the Diablo II: Lord of Destruction score with the Slovak Radio Philharmonic. Kirk Trevor of the Knoxville Symphony Orchestra conducted and "Ancients" is one of the tracks that resulted from these sessions. ![[image loading]](http://www.blizzard.com/images/html_insider/007/scorehand-large.jpg) | ||
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Xiven
United States16 Posts
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RebelHeart
New Zealand722 Posts
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TheMusiC
United States1054 Posts
On June 09 2007 22:32 RebelHeart wrote: what are you xiven some old grampa? who needs orchestras now that there is technology lol no top-quality sample, no matter who/where/how it is recorded will ever be able to match the quality of a good orchestra performing live. sorry  | ||
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
On June 09 2007 18:49 Xiven wrote: Blizzard doesn't even use real orchestras for their music, it's just samples being played back at different keys. Many companies record real music for their games, at great expense mind you (especially if they use the Los Angeles or London orchestras) but Blizzard is not one of them. If you're can't hear the difference, you're not really qualified to comment on this. Samples being played back at different keys? Haha: [ you are a moron.. and I happen to write a bit of orchestral mockups in my spare time and am a huge fan of film score and game music. SC1 has a very cheap keyboardy(I mean the Terran theme has a very prominent DX7-sounding patch for gods sake) aesthetic. But it was also made in probably 1997 when composers had access to very few PC based tools, let alone the massive, complex and extremely versatile libraries they have now(Like Vienna, East West Symphony Orchestra, etc). So the only option was to do things with cheap gear and get an unconventional sound or go all out and hire an orchestra and get a composer who has experience writing for it, which would be hard in the game music world... If you dont know, many feature films these days use mockups as their score that goes to the print of the film as orchestras are very costly, but so long as the composer used the library to his advantage there is just no way for an average person to tell unless they know something about it. The guy who did the latest wow music and maybe the old stuff too happens to be a HUGE name in ambient music(particularly in comissioned installations) and his shit is CRAZY good and head of the class as far as music production in games go. Sure its not recorded by a real orchestra in most cases but i dont think anyone really gives a shit except snobby dykes like you who drum up ideas in their head without the experience to really back that shit up. The main point of my original post though was that none of the real orchestral shit even matters because SC1 had a fantastically fun score, everyone recognizes it and I would just like to see them do something more in that vein instead of getting a big film sound(The cinematic trailer for instance reminds me very much of David Julyans work in the Prestige and although I love that shit, i dont really want it in my Starcraft). In short, eat a dick yo. | ||
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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ChaosKnight
United States819 Posts
On June 08 2007 20:42 Mynock wrote: What? The music for WarCraft, WarCraft II and the Terran music for SC is absolutely outstanding. Especially War II is one of the best game musics like... ever. So, more respect please. -Mynock The main Human theme from WarCraft II will forever be in my head. | ||
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Aerox
Malaysia1213 Posts
He is good but not for StarCraft... not for our StarCraft.  unless you wanna always do a certain Sonic strat... | ||
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shimmy
Poland997 Posts
On June 08 2007 20:42 Mynock wrote: The music for WarCraft, WarCraft II and the Terran music for SC is absolutely outstanding. Especially War II is one of the best game musics like... ever. | ||
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Xiven
United States16 Posts
On June 09 2007 23:02 red.venom wrote: The main point of my original post though was that none of the real orchestral shit even matters because SC1 had a fantastically fun score, everyone recognizes it and I would just like to see them do something more in that vein instead of getting a big film sound(The cinematic trailer for instance reminds me very much of David Julyans work in the Prestige and although I love that shit, i dont really want it in my Starcraft). I agree that Starcraft is better off with the music it has than a live orchestra, as the music is more electronic than orchestral. Warcraft's music, and some of Diablo's, is much more suited for orchestra, but Blizzard chooses not to record with a real orchestra because most people can't tell the difference, even though plenty of game titles out there use full orchestra for their music. Here's an interview with Jason Hayes, who scored WoW: Link to the interview The majority of the game [audio] is done via electronics, and there are certain things that just don't sound very good emulating an orchestra with electronics. I've always had a real struggle with brass, especially trumpets. Making them sound as wonderful and strident as live players has always been difficult--it never quite comes across. But when you're in a setting with a live orchestra, you get these wonderful trumpets that bring passages to life that I just can't do very easily when emulating an orchestra. When I go to any of these shows there's always a bit of a surprise factor as to how this performance is going to sound. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On June 09 2007 02:16 Bob123 wrote: The Terran music = the best ever x_o; The Zerg music = perfectly fits with the zerg style. A bit creepy. Second best ever! The Protoss music = .....rather boring... Agree 100% Protoss music is kinda lame : ( | ||
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On June 09 2007 16:25 Duffybeer wrote: darktreb from SK-gaming forums? If so, please GTFO of here, we don't need your kind in here. Some retard named Duffybeer? If so, please GTFO of here, we don't need your kind in here. | ||
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zoast
United States91 Posts
But I liked all of sc1's music for the most part... using 3 different composers for each individual race gave them all a unique feel. anyway please god dont let them do some total fluff orchestral/ambient 200X hollywood movie score horseshit... I have a feeling I will be listening to transformer movie soundtrack while I play SC2 : / (*except the OP, how the hell do you not like glenn stafford? the man wrote the warcraft 2 soundtrack and terran music. then again didnt he do WC3? I remember nothing from that soundtrack, so maybe you are right, but I like to think that is blizzards fault.) | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
On June 11 2007 14:45 CoralReefer wrote: led zeppelin please  | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
The terran music is pretty good, Z is ok, again toss is boring but it suits them. | ||
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dementus
Singapore1151 Posts
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Kassios
France1424 Posts
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On June 08 2007 20:42 Mynock wrote: What? The music for WarCraft, WarCraft II and the Terran music for SC is absolutely outstanding. Especially War II is one of the best game musics like... ever. So, more respect please. -Mynock Yeah, I loved all the music from Blizzard titles | ||
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minus_human
4784 Posts
On June 09 2007 22:32 RebelHeart wrote: what are you xiven some old grampa? who needs orchestras now that there is technology you need to learn more about the world you live in | ||
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prOxi.swAMi
Australia3091 Posts
On June 09 2007 02:49 -Sleet- wrote: Hans Zimmer plz^^ YES! | ||
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prOxi.swAMi
Australia3091 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
It's like why not just make a thread called, 'Different game company please, Blizz you suck' | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On June 15 2007 02:23 Zelniq wrote: god if I was a mod i'd close this thread asaply Thank god you're not. | ||
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
Am I the only one to think that ? | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On June 15 2007 06:13 Taiche wrote: Er, Danny Elfman has done way more than Spiderman, he's pretty much done the theme song for every fucking movie everI've just watched the latest video (HD version downloadable here thanks to fight_or_flight who posted the link in the appropriate topic) and the more I hear it, the more SC2 music makes me think of a mix between Basil Poledouris (Starship Troopers, Robocop...) and Danny Elfman (only for the Spideman movies ; the "real" Danny Elfman's soundtracks do not fit here). Am I the only one to think that ? The list is so extensive I don't even know where to begin, batman, the simpsons, men in black, it keeps going and going | ||
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
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[X]Ken~D
377 Posts
Both sounds very lively and epic. I hope is not some cinematic music, but the the in-game music for Starcraft 2. It is the best music I've ever heard from Blizzard! | ||
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CircuitBreaker
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I thought Jeremy Soule's work on Guild Wars was supreme. For a composer that talented, I'm positive he could pull out an excellent soundtrack for StarCraft or any other game, in any type of sound. Take Danny Elfman for instance; while he's best known for his "Beetlejuice" type sound, he's also done a lot of really great soundtracks that really sound nothing like it (Spiderman, for example.) I really enjoyed the StarCraft soundtrack quite a bit. They did a good job on the themes for the different races - Terran was more mechanical and synthesized, Protoss was more ethereal, and Zerg was more earthy. It meshed very well, and I wouldn't have wanted it any other way. I believe Glen Stafford will do a fine job with SC2. Anyways, that's my 2 cents.. 2 years later =) | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
On June 08 2007 21:27 Haemonculus wrote: war2, total annihilation and the original C&C had the best game music ever. Dammit, i grew up playing Total Annihilation and the game was awesome. On-Topic: Jeremy is OK as a composer, hes both skilled and knows what hes doing. | ||
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Shadowfury333
Canada314 Posts
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