EPTMaru Becomes The Greatest GSL Player - Page 3
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 16 2019 17:43 Fango wrote: The champion first pick thing has been around forever though. No champion from 2013 until Maru even managed to make ro4 the season after they won. Uhm, Soulkey did make Ro4 the next Code S after his championship. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7435 Posts
On April 16 2019 20:23 Shuffleblade wrote: I don't know if it is double standard or if the view on korean sc2 and GSL has just simply changed but let me tell you that if one player won GSL four consecutive seasons between 2013-2016 he would be considered the greatest ever and probably get the B label as well. THIS right there. I think nobody could or would argue that. But things change. Mid 2018 a wild Serral appears and wins every tournament he enters. The "GSL is pinnacle" theory suddenly gets questioned and rightfully so. We'll see what 2019 will bring us. Maru is off to a good start  | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 16 2019 21:01 lolfail9001 wrote: Uhm, Soulkey did make Ro4 the next Code S after his championship. I forgot season 2 of that year doesn't count as Code S. I'm not sure how it worked given that get made in was season 3 and he won in season 1. Did he have the champion swap benefit? Even if he did, that's one case in five years of champions. The fact Dear, Zest, Classic, INno, Life, Rain, ByuN, Stats, and Gumiho all failed to make even a ro4 the season after their championships proves the benefit isn't that great. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On April 16 2019 21:31 Fango wrote: I forgot season 2 of that year doesn't count as Code S. I'm not sure how it worked given that get made in was season 3 and he won in season 1. Did he have the champion swap benefit? Even if he did, that's one case in five years of champions. The fact Dear, Zest, Classic, INno, Life, Rain, ByuN, Stats, and Gumiho all failed to make even a ro4 the season after their championships proves the benefit isn't that great. We all remember Innovation making "the easiest group of all times"(until Maru beat him with even moar easy groups  ) and lost horribly not making it into RO8? I don't know, Kev | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3139 Posts
Maru has also played the most Code S matches in history with 286, and is tied for the second most tournament appearances at eighteen (only GuMiho has more appearances with nineteen). Gumiho confirmed best GSL player???? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On April 16 2019 21:59 Drake wrote: i dont think he will go in "4th race" as he is kinda relying on prox and seems to fail in any non code s tournament, so all the last tournaments we saw him in he was so bad compared to what we even expected him to be able to do that sure he is the best code s player of all time but its lacking the "wow" in his play to name him 4th race, so far only flash ever reached that for me He wins his 4th title with no proxy while defending proxies. Labeled as relying on prox Love this (at the same time I would label Maru being overly aggressive) | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On April 16 2019 22:28 deacon.frost wrote: He wins his 4th title with no proxy while defending proxies. Labeled as relying on prox Love this (at the same time I would label Maru being overly aggressive) Honestly, I'm not sure he's even that these days. He definitely used to be, but it feels now like he really knows when to pull back and be more conservative. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On April 16 2019 22:54 neutralrobot wrote: Honestly, I'm not sure he's even that these days. He definitely used to be, but it feels now like he really knows when to pull back and be more conservative. Agreed, remember when he used to push 2 base every game and if the opponent didn't die he just floated his main when the minerals was out. This finals he goes for a poweful mid game push, keeps uppgrading and takes a third behind it, Maru who are you? xD | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 16 2019 21:51 deacon.frost wrote: We all remember Innovation making "the easiest group of all times"(until Maru beat him with even moar easy groups ) and lost horribly not making it into RO8? I don't know, Kev Remember when Zest picked Ryung then swapped Taeja into his group? Then lost 1-2 to both of them and went out in last place. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On April 16 2019 22:54 neutralrobot wrote: Honestly, I'm not sure he's even that these days. He definitely used to be, but it feels now like he really knows when to pull back and be more conservative. Check his games against MeomaikA, especially the first one, he lost because he went out doing aggressive Maru things | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 16 2019 22:28 deacon.frost wrote: He wins his 4th title with no proxy while defending proxies. Labeled as relying on prox Love this (at the same time I would label Maru being overly aggressive) Remember when he won in season 1 of 2018 and people blamed it on ravens, then he won season 2 even harder with mass raven removed. Remember when he won season 3 and people blamed it on proxies? Now he wins this season even harder without doing any. The fact he's able to switch up his playstyle every season and find a way to win no matter what is incredible. Even GSL legends like INno and Zest were never close to consecutive season wins. They lost for multiple seasons/years until the meta went into their favour again. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
who cares about these stupid weekenders, he's done plenty well in them. any foreigner who got the kind of results he did would be elated. multiple top 3-4 finishes in IEM, WESG, and other tourneys  Maru | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
Also I know this is about Maru, but stuff like the featured list of stats really makes you wish Life was still playing: the Maru-Life rivalry was sick in like 2015 and it hurts to think how it would be NOW, considering Maru's ascension. Anyways, good article | ||
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Lysergic1
21 Posts
On April 16 2019 20:12 Alejandrisha wrote: that's the thing... do we have to evaluate the best players in terms of their prep or their results.. or their achievements in weekend vs prep tournies..at the end of the day is he a bonjwa? if you have to ask, the answer is no. Good thing we don't have to ask. | ||
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Xitah
49 Posts
Blizzcon first prize is ten times the GSL first prize. Basically one weekend tournament for Serral was more than double worth in money than roughly a year and half of Maru slugging through 4 GSLs. I would bet everyone cares about that much money. | ||
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Doink
75 Posts
On April 17 2019 01:34 Akio wrote: If this was reddit or some other site not as niche/dedicated to only StarCraft, I would expect the infamous "but starcraft is now dead gaem"-argument, but alas. The dead gaem meme died long ago, even on sites like reddit. It was mostly bitter LoL freaks who tried to spread it as a fact, not a meme. Nowadays SC2 has one of the most stable communities. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1838 Posts
And then you consider that he gets a free pass on first group and the first elimination round and conclude that he only needs to beat 3 serious opponents to win the GSL. not really impressed. I'm too lazy to go check the ELO difference between him and his opponents and IMmvp and his competition but I'd be willing to bet Maru plays against much worse set of players. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On April 17 2019 02:16 Odoakar wrote: Winning against subpar competition and having a team house support while others don't... And then you consider that he gets a free pass on first group and the first elimination round and conclude that he only needs to beat 3 serious opponents to win the GSL. not really impressed. I'm too lazy to go check the ELO difference between him and his opponents and IMmvp and his competition but I'd be willing to bet Maru plays against much worse set of players. Just to clear ELO is 0 indication of skill at the pro level, everyone in top 50 gm is pretty much capable of being at the top. This doesn't mean that whoever has the highest elo is all of a sudden the best player. | ||
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