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Nithala
Profile Joined February 2019
Serbia18 Posts
April 16 2019 06:21 GMT
#21
If only Life could play again. I believe it would be all different ...
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-16 07:06:11
April 16 2019 06:30 GMT
#22
On April 16 2019 08:49 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:


[stuff]



Hey, hold up, they've got one of those wrong I think! MC also made 3 Finals appearances! He needs to be on there!

One: (Wiki)2010 Sony Ericsson StarCraft II Open Season 3
Two: (Wiki)2011 2nd Generation Intel%C2%AE Core%E2%84%A2 Global StarCraft II League March
Three: (Wiki)2012 Global StarCraft II League Season 3/Code S

He's tied with Zest at three finals appearances. Or am I missing something?
Edit: Nevermind. First one was an Open.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1931 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-16 06:42:22
April 16 2019 06:41 GMT
#23
On April 16 2019 13:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
Knock it off with this greatest "the GSL" has ever seen stuff.

The GSL is the top of the Starcraft 2 pyramid and has been since always. Maru is the greatest that Starcraft TWO has ever seen.

Not Mvp, not Innovation, not even Life has ever accomplished what he has, and he still looks as unbeatable as ever.

The conversation is over people. Maru is it. He has the numbers that Innovation does, with a peak that outshines even the King of Wings himself. No one can touch him. He has won. He is the current reigning GOAT.


I mean he sure gets beat a lot for someone being unbeatable.
EDIT: Outside of GSL that is.
I don't believe you.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-16 07:30:02
April 16 2019 07:29 GMT
#24
On April 16 2019 15:41 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 13:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
Knock it off with this greatest "the GSL" has ever seen stuff.

The GSL is the top of the Starcraft 2 pyramid and has been since always. Maru is the greatest that Starcraft TWO has ever seen.

Not Mvp, not Innovation, not even Life has ever accomplished what he has, and he still looks as unbeatable as ever.

The conversation is over people. Maru is it. He has the numbers that Innovation does, with a peak that outshines even the King of Wings himself. No one can touch him. He has won. He is the current reigning GOAT.


I mean he sure gets beat a lot for someone being unbeatable.
EDIT: Outside of GSL that is.


Maru when he's on his game looks untouchable. It's a simple matter of motivation by the look of it to me. The fact he still loses to teammates in televised matches to me just seems very meta, and more of a product of the quality of the JAGW team house than anything else.

The fact is. Even after losing a few tournaments in between his last Code S win and this one, he looked DOMINANT in this tournament. Not just a little bit either. The fact that he's able to string together these kinds of records and look unstoppable while doing so is something I just have not seen in all my time watching SC2.
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
April 16 2019 07:31 GMT
#25
GSL code S is the pinnacle of starcraft 2 though. That's how its always been, sure Blizzcon exists but we have always regarded the GSL champions as the greatest players, not the dreamhack winner or the blizzcon winner. Maru is utterly dominating the hardest tournament in the world in four consecutive seasons, greatest gsl player = greatest player.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
April 16 2019 07:38 GMT
#26
On April 16 2019 15:41 abuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 13:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
Knock it off with this greatest "the GSL" has ever seen stuff.

The GSL is the top of the Starcraft 2 pyramid and has been since always. Maru is the greatest that Starcraft TWO has ever seen.

Not Mvp, not Innovation, not even Life has ever accomplished what he has, and he still looks as unbeatable as ever.

The conversation is over people. Maru is it. He has the numbers that Innovation does, with a peak that outshines even the King of Wings himself. No one can touch him. He has won. He is the current reigning GOAT.


I mean he sure gets beat a lot for someone being unbeatable.
EDIT: Outside of GSL that is.

Considering that in the past year he lost twice to sOs in RO8 we can talk about the fact that since the KeSPA entered SC2 we had the privilege to see a plenty of teamkills which resulted in the underdog winning in a quite convincing fashion. When you practice thousands of games per year with your teammate one will read the other like a book, in this case sOs reads Maru. Also he got beaten by Rogue in RO4 of IEM(and after I saw Maru v Rogue Code S Season 2 RO8 I'm pretty sure it was because Rogue was that good). Then we have the Classic defeat in GSL ST1 and one from Stats in GSL vs TW at RO4.

I believe that covers it. Except this years IEM Maru didn't finish under RO8 in weekenders.

3 times beaten by a team mate, 2 times(3 with Inno @ WESG) by somebody else and 1 bad tournament. Out of those "beaten by somebody else" we have a RO8, RO4(2 RO4 with Inno).

Geez, what a loser.
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Loccstana
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States833 Posts
April 16 2019 08:06 GMT
#27
Dont forget Maru's greatest achievement + Show Spoiler +
beating Haypro in the very first GSL
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abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1931 Posts
April 16 2019 08:39 GMT
#28
On April 16 2019 16:38 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 15:41 abuse wrote:
On April 16 2019 13:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
Knock it off with this greatest "the GSL" has ever seen stuff.

The GSL is the top of the Starcraft 2 pyramid and has been since always. Maru is the greatest that Starcraft TWO has ever seen.

Not Mvp, not Innovation, not even Life has ever accomplished what he has, and he still looks as unbeatable as ever.

The conversation is over people. Maru is it. He has the numbers that Innovation does, with a peak that outshines even the King of Wings himself. No one can touch him. He has won. He is the current reigning GOAT.


I mean he sure gets beat a lot for someone being unbeatable.
EDIT: Outside of GSL that is.

Considering that in the past year he lost twice to sOs in RO8 we can talk about the fact that since the KeSPA entered SC2 we had the privilege to see a plenty of teamkills which resulted in the underdog winning in a quite convincing fashion. When you practice thousands of games per year with your teammate one will read the other like a book, in this case sOs reads Maru. Also he got beaten by Rogue in RO4 of IEM(and after I saw Maru v Rogue Code S Season 2 RO8 I'm pretty sure it was because Rogue was that good). Then we have the Classic defeat in GSL ST1 and one from Stats in GSL vs TW at RO4.

I believe that covers it. Except this years IEM Maru didn't finish under RO8 in weekenders.

3 times beaten by a team mate, 2 times(3 with Inno @ WESG) by somebody else and 1 bad tournament. Out of those "beaten by somebody else" we have a RO8, RO4(2 RO4 with Inno).

Geez, what a loser.


my point is not making him a loser though.
The post I'm replying to says to stop talking about "the best GSL has seen" and move on to saying "best anywhere cause he is unbeatable" when in reality he is only unbeatable in GSL, hence what everyone else is saying is in fact correct.

I don't believe you.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 16 2019 08:43 GMT
#29
On April 16 2019 09:19 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 08:52 Waxangel wrote:
Wow what a perfect opportunity to talk about why Mvp's GSL WC title was lesser than a "full" Code S title, and how the 75% re-seeding system of 2011 made the Code S results of 2011 less impressive! I'm not disputing the effectiveness of such a cynically noncompetitive policy—giving Mvp and Nestea an easier road to superstar/legend status gave them much value as tentpole attractions for not only the GSL, but for SC2 esports as a whole. Still, I think the rose-colored glasses we put on when we talk about the older legends is quite excessive—I believe Maru was clearly the best GSL player even after he won "only" 3x back to back.

On the other hand, there's a fair (if inevitably contentious) argument to be made about the weakened competition in the most recent GSL's, where Code A has been effectively scrapped due to lack of player base. Perhaps the "middle year" Code S tournaments were the most competitive, where there was no 75%-seeding for incumbent Code S players, but still a deep enough player base to make getting through Code B-A-S32 a relevant challenge (wait, did this become an argument supporting Miz's favorite player soO????)


One slight counterpoint is that the current system of group swapping and so on makes the first seed's task to get the Ro8 of the next Code S pretty easy. However even with that advantage Maru is still the best Code S player ever by a decently wide margin.

The champion first pick thing has been around forever though.

No champion from 2013 until Maru even managed to make ro4 the season after they won.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
April 16 2019 09:39 GMT
#30
On April 16 2019 16:29 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 15:41 abuse wrote:
On April 16 2019 13:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
Knock it off with this greatest "the GSL" has ever seen stuff.

The GSL is the top of the Starcraft 2 pyramid and has been since always. Maru is the greatest that Starcraft TWO has ever seen.

Not Mvp, not Innovation, not even Life has ever accomplished what he has, and he still looks as unbeatable as ever.

The conversation is over people. Maru is it. He has the numbers that Innovation does, with a peak that outshines even the King of Wings himself. No one can touch him. He has won. He is the current reigning GOAT.


I mean he sure gets beat a lot for someone being unbeatable.
EDIT: Outside of GSL that is.


Maru when he's on his game looks untouchable. It's a simple matter of motivation by the look of it to me. The fact he still loses to teammates in televised matches to me just seems very meta, and more of a product of the quality of the JAGW team house than anything else.

The fact is. Even after losing a few tournaments in between his last Code S win and this one, he looked DOMINANT in this tournament. Not just a little bit either. The fact that he's able to string together these kinds of records and look unstoppable while doing so is something I just have not seen in all my time watching SC2.


Losing to Bunny and scraping past Impact in RO16. DOMINANT.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4932 Posts
April 16 2019 10:44 GMT
#31
On April 16 2019 18:39 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 16:29 Vindicare605 wrote:
On April 16 2019 15:41 abuse wrote:
On April 16 2019 13:38 Vindicare605 wrote:
Knock it off with this greatest "the GSL" has ever seen stuff.

The GSL is the top of the Starcraft 2 pyramid and has been since always. Maru is the greatest that Starcraft TWO has ever seen.

Not Mvp, not Innovation, not even Life has ever accomplished what he has, and he still looks as unbeatable as ever.

The conversation is over people. Maru is it. He has the numbers that Innovation does, with a peak that outshines even the King of Wings himself. No one can touch him. He has won. He is the current reigning GOAT.


I mean he sure gets beat a lot for someone being unbeatable.
EDIT: Outside of GSL that is.


Maru when he's on his game looks untouchable. It's a simple matter of motivation by the look of it to me. The fact he still loses to teammates in televised matches to me just seems very meta, and more of a product of the quality of the JAGW team house than anything else.

The fact is. Even after losing a few tournaments in between his last Code S win and this one, he looked DOMINANT in this tournament. Not just a little bit either. The fact that he's able to string together these kinds of records and look unstoppable while doing so is something I just have not seen in all my time watching SC2.


Losing to Bunny and scraping past Impact in RO16. DOMINANT.


yes, is a very competitive game
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-16 10:50:31
April 16 2019 10:49 GMT
#32
he beat the shit out of classic. what else is there to say?



bonjwa discussion.. not even close.. needs to beat more zergs lol
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Doink
Profile Joined April 2017
75 Posts
April 16 2019 11:07 GMT
#33
Great achievement but still one of the most incosistent top players. Maybe he's able to deliver in weekend tournaments some time in the future.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
April 16 2019 11:12 GMT
#34
On April 16 2019 20:07 Doink wrote:
Great achievement but still one of the most incosistent top players. Maybe he's able to deliver in weekend tournaments some time in the future.

that's the thing... do we have to evaluate the best players in terms of their prep or their results.. or their achievements in weekend vs prep tournies..at the end of the day is he a bonjwa? if you have to ask, the answer is no.
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Doink
Profile Joined April 2017
75 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-16 11:13:37
April 16 2019 11:13 GMT
#35
On April 16 2019 16:31 Shuffleblade wrote:
GSL code S is the pinnacle of starcraft 2 though. That's how its always been, sure Blizzcon exists but we have always regarded the GSL champions as the greatest players, not the dreamhack winner or the blizzcon winner. Maru is utterly dominating the hardest tournament in the world in four consecutive seasons, greatest gsl player = greatest player.


I could get behind that if he lost the weekend tournaments very close.
But he outright failed in those tournaments.

That would make a very disappointing greatest player.
He's just too incosistent or has to rely on a very long preperation time which he has in GSL.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
April 16 2019 11:13 GMT
#36
On April 16 2019 15:21 Nithala wrote:
If only Life could play again. I believe it would be all different ...

yeah the thing is no.
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-16 11:20:23
April 16 2019 11:14 GMT
#37
On April 16 2019 20:13 Doink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 16:31 Shuffleblade wrote:
GSL code S is the pinnacle of starcraft 2 though. That's how its always been, sure Blizzcon exists but we have always regarded the GSL champions as the greatest players, not the dreamhack winner or the blizzcon winner. Maru is utterly dominating the hardest tournament in the world in four consecutive seasons, greatest gsl player = greatest player.


I could get behind that if he lost the weekend tournaments very close.
But he outright failed in those tournaments.

That would make a very disappointing greatest player.
He's just too incosistent or has to rely on a very long preperation time which he has in GSL.

honestly, who cares about weekend tournies if you win gsl? no one fucking cares. gsl is the end all be all
that's that.

this is a hill i WILL die on. gsl where your opponnents have weeks to prepare for you vs.. i'm not even going to continue because everyone reading this knows the difference between a gsl and a weekend tourny.

but if you were serral would you go to korea?

yuou've already established you're the the best zerg in the world. why disrupt your studies for nerds like me ?

serral do what you do. hasn't stopped you before.
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
April 16 2019 11:23 GMT
#38
On April 16 2019 20:14 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 20:13 Doink wrote:
On April 16 2019 16:31 Shuffleblade wrote:
GSL code S is the pinnacle of starcraft 2 though. That's how its always been, sure Blizzcon exists but we have always regarded the GSL champions as the greatest players, not the dreamhack winner or the blizzcon winner. Maru is utterly dominating the hardest tournament in the world in four consecutive seasons, greatest gsl player = greatest player.


I could get behind that if he lost the weekend tournaments very close.
But he outright failed in those tournaments.

That would make a very disappointing greatest player.
He's just too incosistent or has to rely on a very long preperation time which he has in GSL.

honestly, who cares about weekend tournies if you win gsl? no one fucking cares. gsl is the end all be all
that's that.

I don't know what's "right" if GSL is actually what should be considered the best of the best but it has been like that through allmost all of SC2s lifespan.

Looking back to when Taeja won premier tournaments overseas back to back, everyone thought he was great but everyone also didn't think he was on the same level as the recent GSL champions. GSL was considered the pinnacle, if you dominated several weekenders it wasn't even comparable to winning GSL once back then.

Now we have the opposite going on, one player is dominating GSL and everyone agrees he is great, but is he as great as the katowice or WESG champions?

I don't know if it is double standard or if the view on korean sc2 and GSL has just simply changed but let me tell you that if one player won GSL four consecutive seasons between 2013-2016 he would be considered the greatest ever and probably get the B label as well.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
April 16 2019 11:25 GMT
#39
On April 16 2019 20:23 Shuffleblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 20:14 Alejandrisha wrote:
On April 16 2019 20:13 Doink wrote:
On April 16 2019 16:31 Shuffleblade wrote:
GSL code S is the pinnacle of starcraft 2 though. That's how its always been, sure Blizzcon exists but we have always regarded the GSL champions as the greatest players, not the dreamhack winner or the blizzcon winner. Maru is utterly dominating the hardest tournament in the world in four consecutive seasons, greatest gsl player = greatest player.


I could get behind that if he lost the weekend tournaments very close.
But he outright failed in those tournaments.

That would make a very disappointing greatest player.
He's just too incosistent or has to rely on a very long preperation time which he has in GSL.

honestly, who cares about weekend tournies if you win gsl? no one fucking cares. gsl is the end all be all
that's that.

I don't know what's "right" if GSL is actually what should be considered the best of the best but it has been like that through allmost all of SC2s lifespan.

Looking back to when Taeja won premier tournaments overseas back to back, everyone thought he was great but everyone also didn't think he was on the same level as the recent GSL champions. GSL was considered the pinnacle, if you dominated several weekenders it wasn't even comparable to winning GSL once back then.

Now we have the opposite going on, one player is dominating GSL and everyone agrees he is great, but is he as great as the katowice or WESG champions?

I don't know if it is double standard or if the view on korean sc2 and GSL has just simply changed but let me tell you that if one player won GSL four consecutive seasons between 2013-2016 he would be considered the greatest ever and probably get the B label as well.


we also don't know if he is holding back builds so he can win money in the tournaments he really cares about. i can't get inside the mind of a 4-consecutive champion.. can you? i don't even play this trash game anymore but i give him credit for being the best at it. wesg was a shit show. we all know that.
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-16 11:34:13
April 16 2019 11:26 GMT
#40
ask maru if he gives 2 shits what the chinese think of him
edit: i literally watched this dood grow up. i've been here since the beginning of sc2. i saw him fight with the likings of bitbybit and .....virus?
the chinese has a permanent blemish on it and that blemish is macsed I don't care what the fuck anyone says and no tournament cares, either

User was warned for this post.
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