EPTMaru Becomes The Greatest GSL Player - Page 4
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Noa Greenini
265 Posts
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
On April 16 2019 15:21 Nithala wrote: If only Life could play again. I believe it would be all different ... I personally see Life as the best player that ever touch SC2, but only potentially. Life has robbed us of the best rivalry of our game, sure. But I don't think you should see Maru's achievements degraded because Life cannot compete anymore. They are simply incredible. Using an argument like "Sure Maru is good, but if Life yadda, yadda" feels as silly to me as the trend of posts saying that all SC2 was nothing but crap when Kespa players were still competing on BW. There is no elephant in the room. As sure as Maru is not originally a Kespa player but a e-Sports federation one, Maru is not the best-even-if-Life, he is just the best... Except in weekenders ;-) | ||
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Xamo
Spain886 Posts
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ProFalseIdol
70 Posts
On April 17 2019 03:01 Noa Greenini wrote: Maru is for sure the greatest GSL player ever! Next he needs to show the same dominance outside of GSL, if he want's to be the undisputed over all best player. But I wouldn't blame him if he doesn't care. It's not like he is a push over outside of GSL. You do know WESG is outside GSL? Other than Katowice, Koreans aren't allowed to join B-leagues like WCS. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
I’m pretty boring in that I somewhat accept that it’s basically impossible to compare players across SC2’s lifespan, in many ways with the Kespa switch plus the different rough eras and shifts in the tournament scene that have occurred elsewhere over SC2 Plus that little bit of luck that everyone but the undisputed GOATs in a sport have that separates the best of all time from the great of their era from the good. Which yes, even Maru has some of. His skill is insane (obviously), he’s played SC2 injury free since it came out and been healthy, started young enough to avoid military service being a factor, has been on a great team like JAGW for ages. Other stuff just sucks for the scene and whatnot. Life, obviously. Serral not being in the GSL I don’t think invalidates Maru’s chops but as a neutral I just find it disappointing as hell that the foreigner who would finally be a legit contender there isn’t there. Likewise more TvT would be nice, more for diversity’s sake than anything else, would give Maru more GOAT fuel too. Most GOATs, in fact actually all of them I don’t think have ever been their peak god tier across all three at the same time. I think it’s usually 2/3 at best, while being ahead of the curve enough to merely be ‘good enough’, or having some era luck. It’d be cool for me as a viewer to see more elite TvT anyway, if Maru was dismantling the current top Terrans like he does to Protoss especially that would be crazy to see. Plus other things we value too. It’s a strategy game after all. Early innovators to me are sometimes undervalued, through the mists of time their execution looks terrible compared to now, but they paved the way for those to come after. Arguable GOAT, 100% for me, absolutely indisputable GOAT, probably not. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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kickina
1 Post
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goody153
44312 Posts
On April 16 2019 09:32 pvsnp wrote: Unless he faces another Terran in the playoffs, I doubt Maru will lose a GSL, well, ever. So long as the other Terrans keep dying before they can face Maru...... Anybody can get eliminated on the r16 playoffs. Even Maru | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
I'm happy to consider Maru as GOAT. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On April 17 2019 15:44 goody153 wrote: Anybody can get eliminated on the r16 playoffs. Even Maru Based on the great Korean tradition of 2019 he will. soO won IEM. Eliminated in the next RO16. Innovation won WESG. Eliminated in the next RO16. Maru won Code S. Will he be eliminated in the next RO16?  | ||
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MrMischelito
347 Posts
Maru is not the greatest of all time, because he was not the greatest at all times. Of all the greatest he's merely the latest.  End of discussion-- | ||
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Neemi
Netherlands657 Posts
On April 17 2019 17:08 deacon.frost wrote: Based on the great Korean tradition of 2019 he will. soO won IEM. Eliminated in the next RO16. Innovation won WESG. Eliminated in the next RO16. Maru won Code S. Will he be eliminated in the next RO16? So Stats > Maru tomorrow, good to know! | ||
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Amarillo Caballero
United States72 Posts
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ilovegroov
357 Posts
On April 16 2019 08:52 Waxangel wrote: Wow what a perfect opportunity to talk about why Mvp's GSL WC title was lesser than a "full" Code S title, and how the 75% re-seeding system of 2011 made the Code S results of 2011 less impressive! I'm not disputing the effectiveness of such a cynically noncompetitive policy—giving Mvp and Nestea an easier road to superstar/legend status gave them much value as tentpole attractions for not only the GSL, but for SC2 esports as a whole. Still, I think the rose-colored glasses we put on when we talk about the older legends is quite excessive—I believe Maru was clearly the best GSL player even after he won "only" 3x back to back. On the other hand, there's a fair (if inevitably contentious) argument to be made about the weakened competition in the most recent GSL's, where Code A has been effectively scrapped due to lack of player base. Perhaps the "middle year" Code S tournaments were the most competitive, where there was no 75%-seeding for incumbent Code S players, but still a deep enough player base to make getting through Code B-A-S32 a relevant challenge (wait, did this become an argument supporting Miz's favorite player soO????) Well said, I have the same thoughts. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1838 Posts
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Achamian
82 Posts
On April 19 2019 04:28 Odoakar wrote: GOAT can't win a Bo5 if he doesn't have 1 week prep time. LOL GSL is the most prestigious, but only artificially so. At the end of the day the winner of the GSL plays 7 matches to be champion. That said, its just a different skill set. Maru is clearly very good at preparing for his opponents, ($0$ aside.) I think Innovation / Taeja / Life are the players that can do both the GSL stuff and Weekend tournies the best. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On April 19 2019 05:09 Achamian wrote: GSL is the most prestigious, but only artificially so. At the end of the day the winner of the GSL plays 7 matches to be champion. That said, its just a different skill set. Maru is clearly very good at preparing for his opponents, ($0$ aside.) I think Innovation / Taeja / Life are the players that can do both the GSL stuff and Weekend tournies the best. TaeJa was famously sucky at GSL style tournament, never reach a final in any of them, even the relatively easy WCS NA. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 19 2019 05:20 Nakajin wrote: TaeJa was famously sucky at GSL style tournament, never reach a final in any of them, even the relatively easy WCS NA. And honestly Life was not amazing in GSL either, he won two but they were separated by quite a long time and only had one top 4 finish. For how dominant a player he was at times you would expect him to have done better | ||
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Doink
75 Posts
On April 17 2019 13:02 kickina wrote: Going by average player strength, and amount of rounds required to win, GSL Code S is objectively the hardest tournament to win in SC2. So if GSL is "objectively" the hardest tournament to win why does Maru not even reach the finals in everything else? Should be easy for him if GSL is so much harder. | ||
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