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Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
June 02 2019 16:26 GMT
#101
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swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
June 02 2019 17:33 GMT
#102
On June 02 2019 18:50 CicadaSC wrote:
hate posts like these. The accomplishments are all weighted the same. SC2 in korea is at the lowest point it's ever been in terms of competitiveness. A victory when there are 500 guys practicing 12 hours a day under strict kespa regimen vs a victory now is very different...

Maybe 10 years from now when all the money and prestige in winning sc2 is gone, then yes. But for the time being, all the big players are staying in the scene. And it's not like they have become dads and working on other things and not practicing. If a scene is ever to become irrelevant, then it will do so gradually. Just bc kespa is gone doesn't make the sc2 pro scene irrelevant right away (and not necessarily).
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
June 02 2019 17:54 GMT
#103
On June 03 2019 02:33 swissman777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2019 18:50 CicadaSC wrote:
hate posts like these. The accomplishments are all weighted the same. SC2 in korea is at the lowest point it's ever been in terms of competitiveness. A victory when there are 500 guys practicing 12 hours a day under strict kespa regimen vs a victory now is very different...

Maybe 10 years from now when all the money and prestige in winning sc2 is gone, then yes. But for the time being, all the big players are staying in the scene. And it's not like they have become dads and working on other things and not practicing. If a scene is ever to become irrelevant, then it will do so gradually. Just bc kespa is gone doesn't make the sc2 pro scene irrelevant right away (and not necessarily).

It’ll definitely fall off sharply if there isn’t a new generation coming through, but for the time being the level is still really really high looking at the actual games themselves.

There are benefits to a player to not have to practice those amounts, some players might benefit from the stricter regime and vice versa.

I think Artosis mentioned one silver lining of the post Kespa BW era was an openness of information spilling into the scene and for fans to consume. Players are more free to fraternise with players outside their team, streams etc.

I still think it’s overall negative for the scene, but for immediate level of play it doesn’t seem to have really damaged things that much that we don’t have the Kespa stuff:
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-02 18:07:57
June 02 2019 18:07 GMT
#104
The level of play was at it's worst during late kespa imo. 2016 was just bad as far as individual leagues go except a few players who seemed to be practicing hard (ByuN, Dark etc).

2017 and 2018 were definitely up from there
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-03 11:25:01
June 03 2019 11:21 GMT
#105
My top three:
1. MVP
2. Life
3. Maru

Maru doesn't have the international success that MVP and Life both have. Also MVP titles count for a lot more since sc2 scene was much more competitive back in the day.



renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
June 03 2019 15:23 GMT
#106
On June 03 2019 20:21 SuperFanBoy wrote:
My top three:
1. MVP
2. Life
3. Maru

Maru doesn't have the international success that MVP and Life both have. Also MVP titles count for a lot more since sc2 scene was much more competitive back in the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbwk2vwXNyU



Even though Life's entire career was/is tainted because of match-fixing?
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SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
June 04 2019 05:31 GMT
#107
On June 04 2019 00:23 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2019 20:21 SuperFanBoy wrote:
My top three:
1. MVP
2. Life
3. Maru

Maru doesn't have the international success that MVP and Life both have. Also MVP titles count for a lot more since sc2 scene was much more competitive back in the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbwk2vwXNyU



Even though Life's entire career was/is tainted because of match-fixing?


His match fixing never involved his opponents losing to him, it only involved in him throwing (losing) a few matches. All his tournament wins were legit.
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