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France13018 Posts
On November 04 2018 01:43 fronkschnonk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 01:40 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:34 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote:
I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY. Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too. Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today. I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
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On November 04 2018 01:40 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 01:34 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote:
I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY. Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too. Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
That's a good point, but he might arguably also finally start feeling the pressure if he is to reach Blizzcon finals. You can also argue that Stats will have studied his playstyle a bit more after that loss. Either way, I'll be rooting for our favourite Finn, but I don't think it's a done deal at all.
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Serral ruining my record 
Stats pls
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i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right?
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On November 04 2018 01:45 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 01:43 fronkschnonk wrote:On November 04 2018 01:40 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:34 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote:
I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY. Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too. Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today. I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better. How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that?
On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote:
i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right?
A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2.
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Overall, very bad performance of the terrans. Maru was reckt in 30min by an sOs that outsmarted him, TY throw 3 games by doing silly proxies whereas he won the two games he played macro, and Special could have done better even if P is OP. The only series that was at the expected level was Serral vs Dark. The 3-0 is perhaps too much punishment but overall Serral was better. If Serral can beat Rogue he will win Blizzcon. Stats and sOs will not beat him.
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On November 04 2018 02:02 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 01:45 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:43 fronkschnonk wrote:On November 04 2018 01:40 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:34 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote:
I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY. Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too. Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today. I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better. How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that? Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote:
i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right? A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2.
Maru is better than Serral for sure but I don't see how winning code S would tell us that much statisticallt speaking.
And weekend tournaments with top players matter as much as a GSL, IEM and BlizzCon are great indicators of form.
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On November 04 2018 02:02 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 01:45 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:43 fronkschnonk wrote:On November 04 2018 01:40 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:34 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote:
I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY. Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too. Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today. I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better. How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that? Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote:
i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right? A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2.
I've never read more ballshit post. Serral won every WCS this year. It's not minor league. To be honest I've seen better games at WCS than in GSL. Things u say about Serral, that he can't prove that he's better than Maru...I could say that Maru can't prove that he's better than Serral. We got bo1 on GSL vs the World, where Serral trashed Maru. Next, Serral delivered at Blizzcon and didn't drop a map- against Zest, Dark and sOs (2:0 at group stage)
And Maru got owned by sOs 3:0. To be honest Serral just looks better than Maru for this moment.
Denying Serral's level of skill is just straight forward BM in the end of 2018. I bet if he win Blizzcon, we will still have people like u that say - he is no match for Koreans...ROFTL.
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On November 04 2018 02:12 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 02:02 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2018 01:45 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:43 fronkschnonk wrote:On November 04 2018 01:40 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:34 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote:
I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY. Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too. Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today. I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better. How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that? On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote:
i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right? A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2. Maru is better than Serral for sure but I don't see how winning code S would tell us that much statisticallt speaking. And weekend tournaments with top players matter as much as a GSL, IEM and BlizzCon are great indicators of form.
Well we would get more Serral v Korean matches. Currently he's 1:1 vs Classis, ?? vs TY, 0:1 v Maru, 2:0 v Dark. ?? v Rogue and 1:0 v Stats. That's not much for saying anything, while Maru has more games versus top Korean players.
It doesn't have to be Code S per se, but that's the only Korean heavy tournament where you play more than few matches we have.
On November 04 2018 02:16 hiroshOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 02:02 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2018 01:45 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:43 fronkschnonk wrote:On November 04 2018 01:40 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:34 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote:
I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY. Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too. Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today. I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better. How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that? On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote:
i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right? A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2. I've never read more ballshit post. Serral won every WCS this year. It's not minor league. To be honest I've seen better games at WCS than in GSL. Things u say about Serral, that he can't prove that he's better than Maru...I could say that Maru can't prove that he's better than Serral. We got bo1 on GSL vs the World, where Serral trashed Maru. Next, Serral delivered at Blizzcon and didn't drop a map- against Zest, Dark and sOs (2:0 at group stage) And Maru got owned by sOs 3:0. To be honest Serral just looks better than Maru for this moment. Denying Serral's level of skill is just straight forward BM in the end of 2018. I bet if he win Blizzcon, we will still have people like u that say - he is no match for Koreans...ROFTL.
Maru won every Code S this year. Since even the great overhyper as Artosis states that Code S is the hardest competition in SC2 we have to accept Serral isn't playing the hardest thus we don't know.
"Statistically" speaking we can say that from the one game they played Maru is better than Serral. Serral got trashed.
Edit> I didn't write what you're writing. If you stop being a blind fanboy and acutally read what I write I say we don't know. And I rate Serral pretty high. But that doesn't fit your enraged fanboyism, right? And people are surprised some peopel hate Serral for his fans... example 1: hiroshOne
Edit2> It's not a real statistic even in SC2 world of "statistics". It's the only offline bo3+ they plaeyd this year.
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What angers me about the Serral v. Dark match is not the fact that Dark lost or that Serral outplayed Dark. It's the  lurker Adaptive Talons upgrade. That upgrade does not belong in the game and never has. It's akin to Tankivac in terms of mobility of high-powered offensive and defensive unit.
I was ok with Serral doing really jerky stuff with burrowed roaches. But seeing lurkers used like tankivacs? It messes up the game tactically.
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On November 04 2018 02:16 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 02:12 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 02:02 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2018 01:45 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:43 fronkschnonk wrote:On November 04 2018 01:40 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:34 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote:
I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY. Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too. Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today. I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better. How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that? On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote:
i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right? A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2. Maru is better than Serral for sure but I don't see how winning code S would tell us that much statisticallt speaking. And weekend tournaments with top players matter as much as a GSL, IEM and BlizzCon are great indicators of form. Well we would get more Serral v Korean matches. Currently he's 1:1 vs Classis, ?? vs TY, 0:1 v Maru, 2:0 v Dark. ?? v Rogue and 1:0 v Stats. That's not much for saying anything, while Maru has more games versus top Korean players. It doesn't have to be Code S per se, but that's the only Korean heavy tournament where you play more than few matches we have. Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 02:16 hiroshOne wrote:On November 04 2018 02:02 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2018 01:45 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:43 fronkschnonk wrote:On November 04 2018 01:40 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:34 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote:
I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY. Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too. Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today. I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better. How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that? On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote:
i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right? A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2. I've never read more ballshit post. Serral won every WCS this year. It's not minor league. To be honest I've seen better games at WCS than in GSL. Things u say about Serral, that he can't prove that he's better than Maru...I could say that Maru can't prove that he's better than Serral. We got bo1 on GSL vs the World, where Serral trashed Maru. Next, Serral delivered at Blizzcon and didn't drop a map- against Zest, Dark and sOs (2:0 at group stage) And Maru got owned by sOs 3:0. To be honest Serral just looks better than Maru for this moment. Denying Serral's level of skill is just straight forward BM in the end of 2018. I bet if he win Blizzcon, we will still have people like u that say - he is no match for Koreans...ROFTL. Maru won every Code S this year. Since even the great overhyper as Artosis states that Code S is the hardest competition in SC2 we have to accept Serral isn't playing the hardest thus we don't know. "Statistically" speaking we can say that from the one game they played Maru is better than Serral. Serral got trashed. Edit> I didn't write what you're writing. If you stop being a blind fanboy and acutally read what I write I say we don't know. And I rate Serral pretty high. But that doesn't fit your enraged fanboyism, right? And people are surprised some peopel hate Serral for his fans... example 1: hiroshOne Edit2> It's not a real statistic even in SC2 world of "statistics". It's the only offline bo3+ they plaeyd this year.
To be fair: It's not Serral's fault that Maru keeps denying us the chance of a full series between them by losing in the Ro8 and Ro4 to other players.
Your statistics might have been relevant over half a year ago, but since then, Serral has delivered and not just won all his games against Koreans, but looked dominant while doing so.
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Still incredibly let down after yesterday's T matches. Especially the Maru games, that just sapped all the hype out of me. Hopefully next year TvZ can return to more HOTS style Bio v LBM that we saw TY v Rogue play on Lost and Found, easily the most enjoyment I got out of the quarterfinal games. I don't expect it to though.
Don't think I'll be tuning in today. I expect Serral to win easily and everyone to lose their minds though.
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On November 04 2018 02:30 KR_4EVR wrote:What angers me about the Serral v. Dark match is not the fact that Dark lost or that Serral outplayed Dark. It's the lurker Adaptive Talons upgrade. That upgrade does not belong in the game and never has. It's akin to Tankivac in terms of mobility of high-powered offensive and defensive unit. I was ok with Serral doing really jerky stuff with burrowed roaches. But seeing lurkers used like tankivacs? It messes up the game tactically.
Would lurkers even be used without that upgrade? I feel like they'd need a major buff if that was removed.
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On November 04 2018 02:16 deacon.frost wrote:
0:1 v Maru
You do know, that Serral is actually 1:1 vs Maru (2:1 if you count GSL vs the World)? They played in IEM Katowice and Serral did beat him 2-0
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On November 04 2018 02:39 Djentleman2414 wrote:You do know, that Serral is actually 1:1 vs Maru (2:1 if you count GSL vs the World)? They played in IEM Katowice and Serral did beat him 2-0
Offline BO3+? Why did Aligulac skipped it? Maybe because it was online BO3+ while Maru playing from Korea? 
And if you want to count BO1 of a showmatch, we can start taking into the ladder too while we're at it /s
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Someone said it best yesterday in the QF thread...something along the lines of:
"T is broken nowadays, you are forced to go non-standard and build your barracks in your main to win games"
I LOL'd hard. What were Maru and TY thinking?
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On November 04 2018 02:02 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 01:45 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:43 fronkschnonk wrote:On November 04 2018 01:40 Poopi wrote:On November 04 2018 01:34 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote:
I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY. Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too. Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today. I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better. How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that? Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote:
i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right? A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2.
Your point that he can't prove he's the best player unless he wins/gets far in Code S is arguable but pretty weak.
Is no one ever the best player unless they win Code S? And does that mean whoever wins Code S is de-facto the best player on the planet, since that sees to be your defining characteristic of best player? That is a very narrow and limited perspective, and almost certainly false. While they can often coincide, I don't think people would say that Gumiho was the best player when he won GSL, for instance. Furthermore, an extremely strong player can lose to someone who is probably weaker than him, but just happens to be a foil or got lucky or any other variety of reasons. All this shows is that Code S is probably not the extremely reliable indicator you are taking it to be.
Of course results in Code S are a huge indicator of strength. But just because someone is not participating in it does not de facto mean that they are not worthy of being considered the top player.
Let's say theoretically Serral is the best player on the planet (a claim I'm not making). Would there be any way to prove it under your standards? If there's not, why then should we continue to rely on your inconclusive standard of evidence?
I'll pose one final question. Let's say Player A always wins every weekender tournament he enters, and Player B does comparatively worse in weekender but always wins prepared matches. Who is actually better? At this point, the question is not statistics but instead definitions of what it means to be "better", a definition that is obviously going to be an opinion and can not be proven one way or the other.
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On November 04 2018 02:30 KR_4EVR wrote:What angers me about the Serral v. Dark match is not the fact that Dark lost or that Serral outplayed Dark. It's the lurker Adaptive Talons upgrade. That upgrade does not belong in the game and never has. It's akin to Tankivac in terms of mobility of high-powered offensive and defensive unit. I was ok with Serral doing really jerky stuff with burrowed roaches. But seeing lurkers used like tankivacs? It messes up the game tactically.
Dark got the upgrade too...
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On November 04 2018 03:07 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 02:30 KR_4EVR wrote:What angers me about the Serral v. Dark match is not the fact that Dark lost or that Serral outplayed Dark. It's the lurker Adaptive Talons upgrade. That upgrade does not belong in the game and never has. It's akin to Tankivac in terms of mobility of high-powered offensive and defensive unit. I was ok with Serral doing really jerky stuff with burrowed roaches. But seeing lurkers used like tankivacs? It messes up the game tactically. Dark got the upgrade too...
That's why I said Serral outplayed Dark, of course.
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