The 2018 WCS Global Finals are nearing their climax, with all quarterfinals played on the opening day of BlizzCon on Friday. All eyes were on tournament favorites Maru and Serral, but the Jin Air Terran, in a plot twist we really should have seen coming, quickly fell victim to his Protoss teammate sOs. Serral on the other hand lived up to and even exceeded expectations as he swept Dark 3-0. Protoss favorite Stats came out victorious in a bloody 3-1 series against SpeCial, while reigning champion Rogue overcame TY and his proxy shenanigans, winning 3-2.
Maru began the first series the same way he had most of his TvP matches—with a proxy. sOs, anticipating this, scouted after his first pylon and immediately sniffed out the danger. He put a pylon in Maru's wall, preventing the full building block and squeezing in his first adept and disrupting Maru's economy while defending the cyclones with two stalkers and a shield battery while teching to blink and a robotics facility on one base. Maru's widow mine drop was shot out of the sky and did no damage at all, before his liberator met the same fate moments later. A widow mine drop did then kill 12 probes, but not before sOs had gathered his forces and prepared to blink into Maru's main base. He killed the few cyclones and marines and began going to town on the SCVs, and Maru tapped out.
Lost and Found became even crazier as sOs opened with a cannon rush against Maru's proxy. The Terran was forced to abandon his main base, taking the fourth base instead. This allowed sOs to establish a gateway in the main base, on the high ground above Maru's new base. He used this to get aggressive with a 1-base 4gate, attacking the mineral line with stalkers while poking at the 'front' of Maru's base. The Terran was again forced to lift the command center, but tapped out before it ever landed again and sOs quickly found himself on match point.
The Protoss again scouted early on Dreamcatcher and again found Maru proxying. The same pylon in the wall allowed his first adept to kill 4 SCVs while sOs again got blink and a robotics facility at home and then took the gold base. Maru, having scouted the base, moved out to pressure it, but sOs read him like a book. With observers in position to help against Maru's banshees, the Protoss defended the gold base with the help of a probe pull, and as charge and additional gateways finished sOs stormed into Maru's natural, taking out his siege tanks and warping units directly into the main base. Maru had nothing left and conceded, sending sOs to the semifinals of yet another BlizzCon.
Stats and SpeCial met in the second quarterfinal. The Terran actually put his first barracks in his main base on Lost and Found, opening with a regular reaper expand, but then proxying a starport for banshees while Stats opted for blink, a robotics facility and quick third base followed by charge and double upgrades. SpeCial's banshee only found 2 probe kills, but his small army of marines, cyclones and tanks was able to snipe Stats' third base. The Protoss cleaned up the Terran army and double expanded, then moved out for a 2/2 timing attack. SpeCial defended the attack with a small SCV pull and found himself 30 supply ahead. He continued to find good trades, but Stats' economy went largely uncontested and eventually the Protoss got painful zealot harassment in to force the Terran back, allowing Stats to again set up an attacking position on SpeCial's fourth base with 3/3. The attack was defended again, but SpeCial this time found himself significantly down in workers on a Protoss on five bases. Realizing that big army engagements would now decide the game, Stats added disruptors to his army. Using a small fight near his third base to distract SpeCial, Stats' main army killed the Terran's fourth base and a short basetrade began. With dark templars, disruptors and defensive warpins, Stats was able to chip away at SpeCial's army before recalling right on top of it to win the basetrade and with it the game.
SpeCial proxied his barracks near his own base on Para Site, with Stats quickly identifying the proxy and responding with a proxy stargate. The oracle only killed three SCVs while Stats poked at the Terran's natural, scouting the lack of an expansion there. SpeCial finally moved out to destroy the stargate, but had a lot of his army caught by a stasis ward, while Stats' warped in stalkers took effective trades against the rest of his units. Despite the lack of tech at home, the constant little fights favored Stats who had expanded in the meantime, while SpeCial was forced to keep a lot of SCVs with his cyclones. Stats had to pull all his natural probes to hold SpeCial's eventual cyclone/SCV attack, but he did hold and found himself with complete freedom afterwards, which he used to add a third base, charge after blink, and two forges. He poked at the front with a handful of stalkers and an immortal and, as he saw only three defensive units, he jumped on top of them and what may have been just a little poke quickly turned into a game-winning push. As a warp prism arrived and SpeCial saw additional units warping in, he GG'd.
Blueshift saw a reaper proxy from SpeCial, combined with an engineering bay block in Stats' natural. The Protoss responded with another proxy stargate, but this time the reaper scouted the proxy early on, allowing SpeCial to ward off the oracle with no damage taken. The Terran built up towards an attack with cyclones, landed vikings, widow mines and SCVs. Even though Stats was able to stall the push he couldn't hold on to his natural and, as SpeCial was still mining enough at home despite losing 15 SCVs to oracles, tapped out shortly after.
The Terran again chose a proxy on Acid Plant, this time including a factory for cyclones. Stats again responded with a proxy stargate but SpeCial had anticipated this with an engineering bay and missile turret in his mineral line. SpeCial's cyclones then took out the stargate while Stats chased away the factory. SpeCial, in the meantime, hid a starport for banshees in the top right before a stalker found it. SpeCial instead got a raven and left with the starport while Stats expanded and added a quick robotics bay for disruptors and denied the Terran natural for a long time. Both players settled into a slower game after SpeCial claimed his natural, and the Terran pulled ahead economically as Stats first added to his tech and army before expanding again. Both players fell back on harassment and positional pokes while they rounded out their army compositions. A small trade went in favor of SpeCial who sniped Stats' fourth base and natural while Stats only forced the Terran third to lift off. But with 3/3 upgrades and splash damage through storms and disruptors, Stats became increasingly confident in his army and began posturing more and more aggressively. He split his army in two, with the left flank pressuring the third base while the other threatened SpeCial's fourth. He found good trades for a few minutes, allowing him to re-establish his economy in the background. SpeCial felt the grip tightening and moved out to attack Stats' fourth base again, but Stats immediately seized the opportunity to charge into two of SpeCial's bases at the same time, destroying the third and fourth and eliminating 35 SCVs. Stats quickly found himself at nearly double the supply of SpeCial and cut the Terran off from his main base. Eventually SpeCial was forced to try and break the siege, but ran into storms and disruptors, forcing him to concede the game and the series.
Both players opted for economic openings to start the third series, with TY even choosing a fast third command center. Rogue made the first strategic decision of the game, pumping out roaches and ravagers for a maxed out midgame attack with double upgrades. As the attack began, TY had a double drop hitting Rogue’s main and both players found themselves equal in supply when the dust settled. TY, having defended his third base and continued his upgrades, found himself a good bit ahead and closed the game out with his maxed out bio/tank army shortly after.
Dreamcatcher saw the openings completely flipped. TY chose a proxy 2rax, Rogue threw down a pool first. Identifying the proxy early on, Rogue immediately responded with a roach warren and allowed TY to complete his bunkers and destroy his natural hatchery, but killed all of TY’s units for it. This allowed Rogue to simply walk across the map and finish TY off with his counterattack.
Despite the loss on Dreamcatcher, TY again attempted the double proxy—only to run into the same pool first opening from Rogue. This time Rogue’s hatchery stayed alive easily as zerglings and drones never even let marines enter the bunker. TY’s marines were then caught on the map by Rogue’s zerglings, but a hellion was built at home in time to ward Rogue’s units off. With both players settling into the midgame, Rogue found himself on a safe third base and 12 workers ahead. He turned that economic lead into a roach/queen attack that TY could not stop.
Lost and Found saw another proxy from TY, this time ‘just’ a reaper, followed by an expansion and even another quick third command center. Rogue, though, had opened with a very early third base of his own and quickly found himself 20 workers ahead. This time he chose melee upgrades, a baneling nest, and put down a spire. TY hit the fourth base just as mutalisks came out and was able to take it down with his bio units and tanks. Another push from TY took out Rogue’s fifth base as the Terran added multiple command centers at home and cemented his economic lead. A bloodbath of a game ensued as TY constantly shut down Rogue’s outlying expansions, but the Zerg hung on with brood lords and vipers at home and hit back at TY with his mutalisk flock and consistent runbys with zerglings and banelings. TY finally transitioned to his own lategame army of ghosts, liberators and vikings. Rogue finally pulled the trigger and attacked into his army, taking a good fight and pushing forward towards TY’s production. Meanwhile, though, a triple drop from TY destroyed most of Rogue’s remaining bases at home, putting the Zerg all-in. With the help of a raven and liberators, TY finally cleaned up Rogue’s air army and won the game.
On the final map, Acid Plant, TY went back to the proxy 2rax that had already failed him twice. He did kill the natural hatchery, but Rogue responded with an early third base that TY only scouted as zerglings cleared out the natural. The Zerg found himself ahead in workers again, even after TY’s hellions found 9 drone kills. TY, putting his tournament life on the line, pulled most of his SCVs with a bio/tank attack. The attack killed a base, but at too high a cost. Down to only 22 SCVs against Rogue’s 54, and with his army shattered, TY’s only option was to rebuild slowly, but this also allowed Rogue time to do the same much more quickly. And even though TY found good harassment with his drops, he could not hold on against Rogue’s maxed out roach/ravager attack with 2/2 upgrades. Rogue collapsed on the Terran army to take the series and advance to the semifinals.
Serral, unbeaten in the tournament so far, met Dark in the final series of the day. On Lost and Found, the Korean Zerg opened with triply hatchery before spawning pool, giving him a very slight economic edge, but it was Serral who called the shots from there. Scouting Dark's base with zerglings early on, Serral could comfortably tech up to a spire. Dark, who proxied his own spire, was forced into corruptors as a response. Serral's melee upgrades allowed him to dart into mineral lines with zerglings and mutalisks, even sniping the third base of Dark. This prompted a counterattack of corruptors and roaches, but Serral's mutalisks were able to overwhelm Dark's air army and eventually chased down all the roaches as well. The two players came out with equal worker supply, but Serral's mutalisk tech still posed a significant problem for Dark whose only choice was to rebuild his corruptor count. Serral simply engaged the corruptors with his mutalisks, chased them away and then sniped roaches on the ground, allowing his zerglings to ravage Dark's economy again. Eventually the Korean ran out of steam as his roaches couldn't find the damage necessary to slow Serral down anymore and the mutalisks finally eliminated the remaining corruptors. Dark tapped out as his roaches ran into Serral's defenses and were met with death.
Both Zergs chose standard hatchery first openings on Cerulean Fall, but Dark skipped zergling speed, instead rushing up to a lair and roach warren, then putting down a nydus worm. Serral, on three bases, handled the nydus worm easily. Pulling drones in his natural and sniping the nydus worm with zerglings, he cleaned up Dark's army. The Korean threw down a spire, but Serral was already getting overlord speed to pull his overlords back while he built up his queen count at home. The mutalisks at least allowed Dark to catch up in the game by keeping Serral pinned back, but the Finn was already transitioning to lurkers. Dark maxed out on a roach/ravager army, but his attack was repelled by Serral's stronger army of roaches, hydralisks and lurkers. A long positional battle ensued, with both players' armies looking increasingly similar as Dark added his own lurkers and hydralisks. Serral was the one who finally found the right position, cutting Dark off from his fifth base, destroying the hatchery and even pushing in to snipe the fourth too. This maneuver carved out a 40 supply lead for Serral who, from there, built up a bank while Dark struggled to hang on. After a few small skirmishes with vipers abducting vipers, Serral finally pulled the trigger and pushed into Dark who couldn't hold on any longer.
Acid Plant saw standard openings from both players. Serral came out of small ling skirmishes 10 drones ahead, but both players settled into a calmer game from there. Dark chose a spire as his midgame tech, while Serral added double upgrades and a hydralisk den. Dark's mutalisks found very little damage, and a followup roach/ravager attack from Dark was met by Serral's defensive lurkers. It was the Finn who controlled the game from here, constantly harassing Dark's mineral lines with burrowed roaches and lurkers while his main army poked the front and kept trading with Dark's. Serral's constant aggression wore Dark down and as Serral dove into Dark's fourth base with roaches, hydralisks and lurkers, Dark was almost 100 supply down and had to admit defeat, sending Serral to the semifinals.
The Global Finals will conclude on Saturday, with one of sOs, Stats, Rogue, or Serral ultimately crowned the 2018 WCS World Champion.
Yah called it. Sos figured out how to counter the proxy. No option for T now. Rogue Ty was amazing series. Hopefully blizz will finally look at tvp now that its taken 6 months for toss to figure it out lol. Serral meets no Kr T @ blizzcon = most likely champ. Grats to him he looks god mode.
I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Maru played unsafe with his proxies .... he could just play normal -_-. but what would i say about TY??. So morron... 2 throwed games was not enough he throwed the last one as well.. TY deserved to lose harder... so stupid :D whyyy to throw 3 games???????.. serral - TY could be a noice match rekt..
Serral is not the same serral we know.. as i said 2 days ago.. the easiest 4:0 i ever seen and against 2 top protoss. and then it wasn't enough hhhhhhhhh 3:0 dark. this guy can't lose:D <3333..
On November 04 2018 00:48 ProtoisProtois wrote: Maru played unsafe with his proxies .... he could just play normal -_-. but what would i say about TY??. So morron... 2 throwed games was not enough he throwed the last one as well.. TY deserved to lose harder... so stupid :D whyyy to throw 3 games???????.. serral - TY could be a noice match rekt..
Serral is not the same serral we know.. as i said 2 days ago.. the easiest 4:0 i ever seen and against 2 top protoss. and then it wasn't enough hhhhhhhhh 3:0 dark. this guy can't lose:D <3333... well... Rogue is better than Dark:;; go go ma boy <3
Serral seems unstoppable. Feel like an in-form Maru was the only one with a chance. I have a hard time seeing him losing a ZvP against anyone. Rogue may give him a bit of a challenge, but I expect the finals to be underwhelming. Hope I'm wrong and we still get a decent match at least.
On November 04 2018 01:12 FFW_Rude wrote: Decided to spoil myself on TL since Blizzard VODs do not work (and they never worked) basicly you get live or you get nothing
On November 04 2018 01:12 FFW_Rude wrote: Decided to spoil myself on TL since Blizzard VODs do not work (and they never worked) basicly you get live or you get nothing
There's been a spoiler button for ages.
Yeah i know. I said that i came on tl to spoil myself because i can't' watch Vods
On November 04 2018 01:12 FFW_Rude wrote: Decided to spoil myself on TL since Blizzard VODs do not work (and they never worked) basicly you get live or you get nothing
Just go to the twitch channel and watch the whole boradcast. That's what I do mostly
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
The twitch channel has really good VODs. One VOD for each matchup of WCS with a nice picture of the competitors and beginning directly with the first game.
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
That's a good point, but he might arguably also finally start feeling the pressure if he is to reach Blizzcon finals. You can also argue that Stats will have studied his playstyle a bit more after that loss. Either way, I'll be rooting for our favourite Finn, but I don't think it's a done deal at all.
i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right?
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that?
On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote: i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right?
A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2.
Overall, very bad performance of the terrans. Maru was reckt in 30min by an sOs that outsmarted him, TY throw 3 games by doing silly proxies whereas he won the two games he played macro, and Special could have done better even if P is OP. The only series that was at the expected level was Serral vs Dark. The 3-0 is perhaps too much punishment but overall Serral was better. If Serral can beat Rogue he will win Blizzcon. Stats and sOs will not beat him.
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that?
On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote: i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right?
A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2.
Maru is better than Serral for sure but I don't see how winning code S would tell us that much statisticallt speaking.
And weekend tournaments with top players matter as much as a GSL, IEM and BlizzCon are great indicators of form.
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that?
On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote: i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right?
A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2.
I've never read more ballshit post. Serral won every WCS this year. It's not minor league. To be honest I've seen better games at WCS than in GSL. Things u say about Serral, that he can't prove that he's better than Maru...I could say that Maru can't prove that he's better than Serral. We got bo1 on GSL vs the World, where Serral trashed Maru. Next, Serral delivered at Blizzcon and didn't drop a map- against Zest, Dark and sOs (2:0 at group stage) And Maru got owned by sOs 3:0. To be honest Serral just looks better than Maru for this moment.
Denying Serral's level of skill is just straight forward BM in the end of 2018. I bet if he win Blizzcon, we will still have people like u that say - he is no match for Koreans...ROFTL.
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that?
On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote: i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right?
A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2.
Maru is better than Serral for sure but I don't see how winning code S would tell us that much statisticallt speaking.
And weekend tournaments with top players matter as much as a GSL, IEM and BlizzCon are great indicators of form.
Well we would get more Serral v Korean matches. Currently he's 1:1 vs Classis, ?? vs TY, 0:1 v Maru, 2:0 v Dark. ?? v Rogue and 1:0 v Stats. That's not much for saying anything, while Maru has more games versus top Korean players.
It doesn't have to be Code S per se, but that's the only Korean heavy tournament where you play more than few matches we have.
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that?
On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote: i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right?
A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2.
I've never read more ballshit post. Serral won every WCS this year. It's not minor league. To be honest I've seen better games at WCS than in GSL. Things u say about Serral, that he can't prove that he's better than Maru...I could say that Maru can't prove that he's better than Serral. We got bo1 on GSL vs the World, where Serral trashed Maru. Next, Serral delivered at Blizzcon and didn't drop a map- against Zest, Dark and sOs (2:0 at group stage) And Maru got owned by sOs 3:0. To be honest Serral just looks better than Maru for this moment.
Denying Serral's level of skill is just straight forward BM in the end of 2018. I bet if he win Blizzcon, we will still have people like u that say - he is no match for Koreans...ROFTL.
Maru won every Code S this year. Since even the great overhyper as Artosis states that Code S is the hardest competition in SC2 we have to accept Serral isn't playing the hardest thus we don't know.
"Statistically" speaking we can say that from the one game they played Maru is better than Serral. Serral got trashed.
Edit> I didn't write what you're writing. If you stop being a blind fanboy and acutally read what I write I say we don't know. And I rate Serral pretty high. But that doesn't fit your enraged fanboyism, right? And people are surprised some peopel hate Serral for his fans... example 1: hiroshOne
Edit2> It's not a real statistic even in SC2 world of "statistics". It's the only offline bo3+ they plaeyd this year.
What angers me about the Serral v. Dark match is not the fact that Dark lost or that Serral outplayed Dark. It's the lurkerAdaptive Talons upgrade. That upgrade does not belong in the game and never has. It's akin to Tankivac in terms of mobility of high-powered offensive and defensive unit.
I was ok with Serral doing really jerky stuff with burrowed roaches. But seeing lurkers used like tankivacs? It messes up the game tactically.
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that?
On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote: i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right?
A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2.
Maru is better than Serral for sure but I don't see how winning code S would tell us that much statisticallt speaking.
And weekend tournaments with top players matter as much as a GSL, IEM and BlizzCon are great indicators of form.
Well we would get more Serral v Korean matches. Currently he's 1:1 vs Classis, ?? vs TY, 0:1 v Maru, 2:0 v Dark. ?? v Rogue and 1:0 v Stats. That's not much for saying anything, while Maru has more games versus top Korean players.
It doesn't have to be Code S per se, but that's the only Korean heavy tournament where you play more than few matches we have.
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that?
On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote: i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right?
A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2.
I've never read more ballshit post. Serral won every WCS this year. It's not minor league. To be honest I've seen better games at WCS than in GSL. Things u say about Serral, that he can't prove that he's better than Maru...I could say that Maru can't prove that he's better than Serral. We got bo1 on GSL vs the World, where Serral trashed Maru. Next, Serral delivered at Blizzcon and didn't drop a map- against Zest, Dark and sOs (2:0 at group stage) And Maru got owned by sOs 3:0. To be honest Serral just looks better than Maru for this moment.
Denying Serral's level of skill is just straight forward BM in the end of 2018. I bet if he win Blizzcon, we will still have people like u that say - he is no match for Koreans...ROFTL.
Maru won every Code S this year. Since even the great overhyper as Artosis states that Code S is the hardest competition in SC2 we have to accept Serral isn't playing the hardest thus we don't know.
"Statistically" speaking we can say that from the one game they played Maru is better than Serral. Serral got trashed.
Edit> I didn't write what you're writing. If you stop being a blind fanboy and acutally read what I write I say we don't know. And I rate Serral pretty high. But that doesn't fit your enraged fanboyism, right? And people are surprised some peopel hate Serral for his fans... example 1: hiroshOne
Edit2> It's not a real statistic even in SC2 world of "statistics". It's the only offline bo3+ they plaeyd this year.
To be fair: It's not Serral's fault that Maru keeps denying us the chance of a full series between them by losing in the Ro8 and Ro4 to other players.
Your statistics might have been relevant over half a year ago, but since then, Serral has delivered and not just won all his games against Koreans, but looked dominant while doing so.
Still incredibly let down after yesterday's T matches. Especially the Maru games, that just sapped all the hype out of me. Hopefully next year TvZ can return to more HOTS style Bio v LBM that we saw TY v Rogue play on Lost and Found, easily the most enjoyment I got out of the quarterfinal games. I don't expect it to though.
Don't think I'll be tuning in today. I expect Serral to win easily and everyone to lose their minds though.
On November 04 2018 02:30 KR_4EVR wrote: What angers me about the Serral v. Dark match is not the fact that Dark lost or that Serral outplayed Dark. It's the lurkerAdaptive Talons upgrade. That upgrade does not belong in the game and never has. It's akin to Tankivac in terms of mobility of high-powered offensive and defensive unit.
I was ok with Serral doing really jerky stuff with burrowed roaches. But seeing lurkers used like tankivacs? It messes up the game tactically.
Would lurkers even be used without that upgrade? I feel like they'd need a major buff if that was removed.
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
Winning Code S would work. Currently we still have too few games for statistical saying anything. For example from that one game everybody is citing - we can say, that maru is better than Serral, because their only offline match that was serious ended up with Maru trashing Serral. How about that?
On November 04 2018 01:56 Brained wrote: i cant believe seeing serral win the big matches after cheering for so many foreigners all these years who all got crushed on the big stages at some point. As Artosis stated, we might witness a non korean be the best starcraft player. like for real. One more zvz and its blizzcon final...so hyped. Rogues zvz cant be that much better than Darks right?
A non korean who doesn't play the hardest league on the planet is the best player because he wins weekend tournaments and minor league. In any other sport this would be laughet at by fans, but somehow this works in SC2.
Your point that he can't prove he's the best player unless he wins/gets far in Code S is arguable but pretty weak.
Is no one ever the best player unless they win Code S? And does that mean whoever wins Code S is de-facto the best player on the planet, since that sees to be your defining characteristic of best player? That is a very narrow and limited perspective, and almost certainly false. While they can often coincide, I don't think people would say that Gumiho was the best player when he won GSL, for instance. Furthermore, an extremely strong player can lose to someone who is probably weaker than him, but just happens to be a foil or got lucky or any other variety of reasons. All this shows is that Code S is probably not the extremely reliable indicator you are taking it to be.
Of course results in Code S are a huge indicator of strength. But just because someone is not participating in it does not de facto mean that they are not worthy of being considered the top player.
Let's say theoretically Serral is the best player on the planet (a claim I'm not making). Would there be any way to prove it under your standards? If there's not, why then should we continue to rely on your inconclusive standard of evidence?
I'll pose one final question. Let's say Player A always wins every weekender tournament he enters, and Player B does comparatively worse in weekender but always wins prepared matches. Who is actually better? At this point, the question is not statistics but instead definitions of what it means to be "better", a definition that is obviously going to be an opinion and can not be proven one way or the other.
On November 04 2018 02:30 KR_4EVR wrote: What angers me about the Serral v. Dark match is not the fact that Dark lost or that Serral outplayed Dark. It's the lurkerAdaptive Talons upgrade. That upgrade does not belong in the game and never has. It's akin to Tankivac in terms of mobility of high-powered offensive and defensive unit.
I was ok with Serral doing really jerky stuff with burrowed roaches. But seeing lurkers used like tankivacs? It messes up the game tactically.
On November 04 2018 02:30 KR_4EVR wrote: What angers me about the Serral v. Dark match is not the fact that Dark lost or that Serral outplayed Dark. It's the lurkerAdaptive Talons upgrade. That upgrade does not belong in the game and never has. It's akin to Tankivac in terms of mobility of high-powered offensive and defensive unit.
I was ok with Serral doing really jerky stuff with burrowed roaches. But seeing lurkers used like tankivacs? It messes up the game tactically.
Dark got the upgrade too...
That's why I said Serral outplayed Dark, of course.
Yeah, if Stats doesn't beat sOs, then Serral will win the tourney. If Stats does beat sOs, it could go either way, but still Serral favored. Serral really put in the work, and completely deserves his success. So does Stats. And then there's LA CUCARACHA.
On November 04 2018 02:30 KR_4EVR wrote: What angers me about the Serral v. Dark match is not the fact that Dark lost or that Serral outplayed Dark. It's the lurkerAdaptive Talons upgrade. That upgrade does not belong in the game and never has. It's akin to Tankivac in terms of mobility of high-powered offensive and defensive unit.
I was ok with Serral doing really jerky stuff with burrowed roaches. But seeing lurkers used like tankivacs? It messes up the game tactically.
Dark got the upgrade too...
Wow, i got a completly different view: the upgrade provides better games. u can attack and runby with lurkers. dark and serral tried and did it in the bo5. it was great to watch and most people liked the action packed game. the upgrade of the lurker was a big part of the speed in offense and defense.
On November 04 2018 02:16 deacon.frost wrote: 0:1 v Maru
You do know, that Serral is actually 1:1 vs Maru (2:1 if you count GSL vs the World)? They played in IEM Katowice and Serral did beat him 2-0
Offline BO3+? Why did Aligulac skipped it? Maybe because it was online BO3+ while Maru playing from Korea?
And if you want to count BO1 of a showmatch, we can start taking into the ladder too while we're at it /s
i feel like ur arguments are choosed for your already existent opionion. im a terran player and i always root for maru and ty, but ur talking about games that are from the beginning of the year. its sad, that serral cant prove himself against terra in blizzcon, but its not his fault. in recent encounters he outplayed any top korean. if its a "showmatch" or whatever. his micro,macro and multitasking is top-notch and brought him the wins.
u could argue, that a top korean with preperation could beat him. But seeing dark, who had a long time to prepare, couldnt beat him and that maru did a preperation against sos that is behind bad, doesnt support this argument at all. it supports more the idea, that serral vs maru could have looked a lot like the last encounter where both played a standard macro game. maru would surely mixed in some proxys or so - that is the part where im not sure how the games would end. but we can be sure that serral would go toe-to-toe with maru in a bo5 or bo7.
one thing that many people overlook who say "top koreans > serral" is, that they dont look at the quality of the games. ur talking about statistics, but if u look at the games and how serral wins them u cant overlook that he's a monster in all parts of the game. the only thing that would explain someone doesnt notice this, is that the person has a very limited game knowledge - ~ aka under master 1 at own gameplay.
On November 04 2018 02:16 deacon.frost wrote: 0:1 v Maru
You do know, that Serral is actually 1:1 vs Maru (2:1 if you count GSL vs the World)? They played in IEM Katowice and Serral did beat him 2-0
Offline BO3+? Why did Aligulac skipped it? Maybe because it was online BO3+ while Maru playing from Korea?
And if you want to count BO1 of a showmatch, we can start taking into the ladder too while we're at it /s
i feel like ur arguments are choosed for your already existent opionion. im a terran player and i always root for maru and ty, but ur talking about games that are from the beginning of the year. its sad, that serral cant prove himself against terra in blizzcon, but its not his fault. in recent encounters he outplayed any top korean. if its a "showmatch" or whatever. his micro,macro and multitasking is top-notch and brought him the wins.
u could argue, that a top korean with preperation could beat him. But seeing dark, who had a long time to prepare, couldnt beat him and that maru did a preperation against sos that is behind bad, doesnt support this argument at all. it supports more the idea, that serral vs maru could have looked a lot like the last encounter where both played a standard macro game. maru would surely mixed in some proxys or so - that is the part where im not sure how the games would end. but we can be sure that serral would go toe-to-toe with maru in a bo5 or bo7.
one thing that many people overlook who say "top koreans > serral" is, that they dont look at the quality of the games. ur talking about statistics, but if u look at the games and how serral wins them u cant overlook that he's a monster in all parts of the game. the only thing that would explain someone doesnt notice this, is that the person has a very limited game knowledge - ~ aka under master 1 at own gameplay.
That's what I ment sayong that i have seen better games at foreing WCS than in GSL. I feel that foreign meta delovers much more interesting games. Serral is just stellar with his Zerg gameplay, and korean Zergs look silly compared to him. It's time for them to learn from Serral. Not the opposite.
On November 04 2018 02:16 deacon.frost wrote: 0:1 v Maru
You do know, that Serral is actually 1:1 vs Maru (2:1 if you count GSL vs the World)? They played in IEM Katowice and Serral did beat him 2-0
Offline BO3+? Why did Aligulac skipped it? Maybe because it was online BO3+ while Maru playing from Korea?
And if you want to count BO1 of a showmatch, we can start taking into the ladder too while we're at it /s
i feel like ur arguments are choosed for your already existent opionion. im a terran player and i always root for maru and ty, but ur talking about games that are from the beginning of the year. its sad, that serral cant prove himself against terra in blizzcon, but its not his fault. in recent encounters he outplayed any top korean. if its a "showmatch" or whatever. his micro,macro and multitasking is top-notch and brought him the wins.
u could argue, that a top korean with preperation could beat him. But seeing dark, who had a long time to prepare, couldnt beat him and that maru did a preperation against sos that is behind bad, doesnt support this argument at all. it supports more the idea, that serral vs maru could have looked a lot like the last encounter where both played a standard macro game. maru would surely mixed in some proxys or so - that is the part where im not sure how the games would end. but we can be sure that serral would go toe-to-toe with maru in a bo5 or bo7.
one thing that many people overlook who say "top koreans > serral" is, that they dont look at the quality of the games. ur talking about statistics, but if u look at the games and how serral wins them u cant overlook that he's a monster in all parts of the game. the only thing that would explain someone doesnt notice this, is that the person has a very limited game knowledge - ~ aka under master 1 at own gameplay.
Using statistics is useless at this moment. Series from last year or even the start of this year hardly matter for the shape players are in right now. Fact is that Serral beat every Korean he met in the last two tournaments.
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
better now but not better when koreans was in their prime
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
better now but not better when koreans was in their prime
Yeah I have to agree. The Koreans have gotten a lot older and that is a big factor. In BW, the oldest OSL champion, Jangbi, was only 23 when he won (nearly every other starleague champion won at the age of 20 or younger, I can only think of Boxer, Nada and July as exceptions), which is worth noting as most SC2 Korean pros now are in their early to mid twenties. Since there were waves of new talent, it was harder to stay near the top in BW as the level of competition kept increasing instead of decreasing. Whereas in SC2, the same people who came from kespa in 2012 are still here and there's basically been no new blood.
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
better now but not better when koreans was in their prime
There we have it...the goalposts have moved again. Now not only does Serral have to win every WCS event (and arguably all 3 GSLs), but he has to be better than the best players in their prime in metas he had no opportunity to play in. That's it, folks...just admit Serral is never going to be the best at anything SC2 related.
Cant take anything away from serral hes playing fantastic vs the top players in the world. Would have been great to see him vs kr terrans but not in the cards for this tourny we will have to wait. If he can beat rogue he probly face sos again for what should be a win. Be epic to see him try code S next year.
Mar u vs Serral was only a dream finals of Mar u was paying at his highest level. 2018 has been terrible for him in non-gsl tournaments and wouldn't be fun to watch vs Serral outside of his home turf. A rematch vs Stats however would be amazing.
On November 04 2018 01:12 FFW_Rude wrote: Decided to spoil myself on TL since Blizzard VODs do not work (and they never worked) basicly you get live or you get nothing
Just go to the twitch channel and watch the whole boradcast. That's what I do mostly
I thought you could only watch it from the blizzcon website.... thank you
I think it's not fair Serral can contend for a world championship title without having to play a Korean terran, either during the season or in the final event.
On November 04 2018 05:29 Kikirik1 wrote: Its funny how people still thing BW is more skill game than SC2.Call Flash and quest him...
Try going back and playing BW that game is so hard I cant get into it after playing SC2. That's not taking anything away from sc2 its a great game and hard enough as is. On the other hand lets not pretend that sc2 is even close to bw mechanically. I can be high masters in SC2, but BW im lucky if I can hit C.
On November 04 2018 00:27 Poopi wrote: I am not sure if I want Serral to win even tho it’s almost free at this point, the overhype will be unbearable :/.
Maybe Rogue is skilled enough to take him down, I doubt sOs or Stats can beat him at all.
Still super sad results from yesterday, I don’t think I will bother if it goes to 3am again tonight with their super long ass breaks, not very EU friendly and no more Maru/TY.
Almost free ? Serral's GSLvsTW finals vs Stats was a tense, entertaining 4-3 that could've gone either way. Surely a repeat would have great potential too.
Serral played a bit stressed out in that finals, now that he knows he is better than most koreans he will play more confidently and easily win if he were to go in the finals today.
I don't know... I mean, Serral is really great and all but I still have the feeling that koreans kind of underestimate him. Or they're playing weird to make a point ("look, this so-called best Zerg in the world can't even defend himself against some weird strats I pulled out of my ass"). At least sOs and Dark did not play their standard game against him which would've served them better.
How many koreans does he need to beat (trash?) before people acknowledge that he is just better? :o
better now but not better when koreans was in their prime
There we have it...the goalposts have moved again. Now not only does Serral have to win every WCS event (and arguably all 3 GSLs), but he has to be better than the best players in their prime in metas he had no opportunity to play in. That's it, folks...just admit Serral is never going to be the best at anything SC2 related.
he's only relevant because of region lock and mass team disband, surely even serral will agree with that.
For now Serral is the best. The only one who can compete with him is Maru. I follow sc2 from its debut and serral is near Life in term of ''unbeatable''. Korean have to learn him ? He play standard as fuck. He just out played everyone. He did for one year. I seriously think he can destroy everyone in GSL. He just do everything right. It feel like late game terrans who never dies. He finally stoped what zerg use to do for years... trowing army. He always make small wins so when he lose something its not a big thing. He's a macro player but his micro is perfect.
EPT
Maru and 
Serral, but the Jin Air Terran, in a plot twist we really should have seen coming, quickly fell victim to his Protoss teammate 
sOs. Serral on the other hand lived up to and even exceeded expectations as he swept 
2018 WCS Global Finals
