EPTOn October 10 2018 08:06 MrWayne wrote:
You think so? I don't recall that early protoss and zerg pushes were broken pre 3.8.
You think so? I don't recall that early protoss and zerg pushes were broken pre 3.8.
thats because you didnt play terran
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MiCroLiFe
Norway275 Posts
thats because you didnt play terran | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On October 10 2018 08:06 MrWayne wrote: You think so? I don't recall that early protoss and zerg pushes were broken pre 3.8. That's because terran had tankivacs back then. With neither tankivacs nor Cyclones Ravager rushes will be insanely strong. | ||
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MiCroLiFe
Norway275 Posts
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Hydralich
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Now protoss can just go 2 base mass carriers and kite again | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2656 Posts
Not for nothing it was nicknamed the terran MsC. | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
On October 10 2018 08:13 kOrc wrote: You know that people who aren't pros play this game, and are just as if not arguably more important to Blizzard right? This is the kind of thing noone at Diamond 1 or higher would care about either way (i don't care that protoss gets this QoL improvement, it doesn't really make their race easier to play or harder for me to face), but makes the game greatly less frustrating for the casual player base. If you suggest good QoL improvements for other races that don't overpower them (no auto-creep spread or auto-muling) I'm sure Blizz will consider it. In fact the reason they reverted chrono boost was because it was too much of a QoL improvement. best qol change ever would be to let Terran select which side of the building the addon builds on if they have only one building selected, no more lost reactor to Allin cause spawned on wrong side of map. | ||
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dummy1
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kOrc
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On October 10 2018 10:33 washikie wrote: best qol change ever would be to let Terran select which side of the building the addon builds on if they have only one building selected, no more lost reactor to Allin cause spawned on wrong side of map. Agreed, this is a much needed QoL improvement for terran, it's too much RNG impact in a game like starcraft and changes building placement logic drastically just switching sides on the same map! I would be ok even if instead of letting you choose, it automatically chose the corner facing the terran's start location (so towards bottom left if you spawn bottom left, to top right if you spawn top right), that way it should always be inside your starting ramp and natural wall-in. This could also not require any unnecessary building UI for add-ons from having to choose. | ||
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Less_Du_Et
United States18 Posts
http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/ | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
On October 10 2018 08:51 Charoisaur wrote: That's because terran had tankivacs back then. With neither tankivacs nor Cyclones Ravager rushes will be insanely strong. Yeah ravager rush is going to be much stronger agian, so will proxy hatch. might make this really strong in the meta in maps with shorter rush distances. | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
On October 10 2018 09:48 Lexender wrote: Old cyclone was a freaking amazing defensive tool. Its actually way better than the current cyclone, its only downside is that it something else for buffer but WP, oracles, immortals, roaches and ravagers (at least rushed) melted to cyclone without ever catching them. Not for nothing it was nicknamed the terran MsC. In tvp and tvt yeah, in tvz it really was not that great unless you built a ton of them. I think this may have a larger than anticipated effect on terran's Allin defense in tvz, it also removes the punishing followups terran had vs Zerg allins you can't counter Allin with cyclones any more nor can you do a ton of dmg with tank drop harass to punish an Allin Zergs lack of creep. I might be wrong on this but it is a concern. | ||
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dummy1
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Athenau
571 Posts
proxy voidrays, oracles Wat? Lock-on cyclones are way better vs voidrays and oracles. Live cyclone AA is garbage. | ||
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jedi1982
United States172 Posts
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Couguar
Russian Federation54 Posts
BlinkDT is now super good PvT unit. It was good even before but now its godlike This balance update becomes better and better. Though i prefer nerfed carriers rather than buffed | ||
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Pontius Pirate
United States1557 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 10 2018 12:50 Pontius Pirate wrote: At this point I'd really rather they give up on Cyclones and bring back the Goliath. I think I mostly appreciate the other changes, with the exception of the Hydralisk nerf. I would greatly prefer the very slight HP nerf to the DPS nerf, as I would like for them to emphasize the fragility of the unit, which is part of what makes Hydras unique in SC2. There's a bunch of reasons against bringing back the goliath, the main ones being: - its role overlaps a ton with both the thor and the viking - mutas are already bad - it doesn't solve any of the core problems that mech faces in SCII | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
On October 10 2018 12:09 Athenau wrote: Wat? Lock-on cyclones are way better vs voidrays and oracles. Live cyclone AA is garbage. Now requires a Tech Lab to be built at the Factory. Dude...... you're dead before the first cyclone. | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
If you had like 8 cyclones and Protoss started building disruptors suddenly you sat there with 32 supply that could not be used any more due to disruptor shots. I think people are nostalgic about the cool micro you could do with the old cylones (and you could) but forget how easily Protoss made your cyclones dead supply. | ||
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dummy1
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