EPTIt shouldn't take 2 weeks to fix a bug.
Balance Mod Update Oct 9, 2018 - Page 9
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Lexender
Mexico2658 Posts
It shouldn't take 2 weeks to fix a bug. | ||
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Drfilip
Sweden592 Posts
On October 17 2018 02:10 Lexender wrote: Still no word on fixing the lock on range on cyclones. It shouldn't take 2 weeks to fix a bug. Is the old bug back? Of what I've seen it's as it should be, but I haven't tried the balance mod myself. On a side note, I want to remind people of ALL of the changes: https://starcraft2.com/en-us/news/22372713 | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
The SCV attack priority change sounds reasonable to me given that everyone knows to shift-click SCVs when they're just building barracks or CCs early on, but that it isn't always possible when it comes to bunker rushes. | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
Vs Zerg yeah shield battery nerf hurts as does mass recall, but tactical recall might allow for wierd pressure builds with the lower cd time. Also cheeper robo and weeker hydras will make you wayyy more stable getting to three base which is often the realy hard part for toss. burrrow changes wont be a big deal because robo is cheeper so obs are alot more accessible, further cheeper robo might mean that toss can build alot more obs and have better map vision. Sure carrier is nerfed but your ability to kill zerg before they get there went way up, also the new tempest seems like it will be alot better vs zerg because it will be alot harder to abduct them and kill them with that increased move speed. I plan on playing alot of protoss after this patch hits. Im gona proxy robo evrey game vs terran so I get 60%+ PvT win rate and than im going to macro vs zerg and other toss. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16079 Posts
Barracks, Factory, Starport - Tech Lab If a player tries to lift a structure when there is an upgrade being researched in an attached Tech Lab, the player will not be able to do so and will receive a red text error message. Finally! | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
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Topin
Peru10120 Posts
amen | ||
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Creager
Germany1942 Posts
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
Losing proxy cyclone pressure and weaker bunker rushes. Meanwhile Protoss got higher hitpoints carriers that are built faster, tempest that are much better at their job (no one will build BCs due to the new Tempest), stronger disruptors, stronger immortal rushes due to cheaper Robos, improved proxy Tempest rush due to faster Tempest etc. I wonder what the Korean Terrans will say when they realize what Blizzard has done. I guess we have to hope for an emergency patch before any major tournament starts. | ||
Poopi
France12955 Posts
On October 24 2018 04:50 MockHamill wrote: If this goes live TvP will have serious problems. Losing proxy cyclone pressure and weaker bunker rushes. Meanwhile Protoss got higher hitpoints carriers that are built faster, tempest that are much better at their job (no one will build BCs due to the new Tempest), stronger disruptors, stronger immortal rushes due to cheaper Robos, improved proxy Tempest rush due to faster Tempest etc. I wonder what the Korean Terrans will say when they realize what Blizzard has done. I guess we have to hope for an emergency patch before any major tournament starts. I don’t think TvP can get worse than right now Disruptor is nerfed isn’t it? | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
On October 24 2018 05:00 Poopi wrote: I don’t think TvP can get worse than right now Disruptor is nerfed isn’t it? I mean right now Terran is actually very strong vs toss but it all rests on the proxy meta being very unfair for toss. Bliz is taking away the proxy meta but not giving Terran any meaningful changes to ballance tvp in a meta where Terran can't proxy evrey single game to deny Protoss the type of game they are way to strong in. I think that rather than reaching a good medium where both toss and Terran are competitive with one another this patch just massively swings ballance in toss's favor after a period of being underpowered purely due to the proxy meta Maru created. I hope I'm wrong on this but that's my prediction. I think we will see a return of the 2 base tank Allin evrey game meta that we previously saw because Terran just lacks the tools to beat toss in the late game on this upcoming patch. And is lossing the proxy strats that allowed them to set Protoss so far back they struggled to ever reach that insane late game. It feels like queen range patch in wol all over agian Terran is to strong at denying late game so they nerf terran's ability to do so, but make no meaningful change to fix said late game Terran was able to deny in the past. So Terran is left in a state where they must deny late game to have a chance at wining but don't have all that many ways to do so. Yeah Terran can be a little more greedy with new cyclone but the upgrade lead and cheaper robo more than make up for that plus now tempest is waaaay stronger vs Terran. I don't see new raven new bc or new cyclone being at all competitive with what toss is getting in return. Shield battery nerf seemed like a big deal, but now that proxy is nerfed it is alot less important. | ||
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Athenau
575 Posts
On October 24 2018 04:21 washikie wrote: you know after thinking about it and everyone saying protoss is getting alot of nerfs, and they are dont get me wrong. I think toss overall is going to be a lot stronger on this patch. Cheeper robo is actually a really big deal for protoss since it allows alot more build variety, combined with the big nerf to cyclones that nerf Terran proxy heavily proxy robo rush is going to an insanely strong strategy and I can see the PVT match up just doing a 180 with this change where now protoss is the race that proxys evrey game because proxy robo is really strong and the thing that keep it out of the meta like powerful cylones, terran proxying a rax nearly every game and thus always being able to have a reaper in toss's base really fast are going to go away, or at least be less common. Stalker battery rushes will also be back in style because without reactor cyclone no longer has the punching power to invalidate them as a viable strategy. further since proxys are nerfed protoss can go back to the meta where they take a super early third base while going duble upgrades and teching to aoe which is going to be really strong vs terran. Vs Zerg yeah shield battery nerf hurts as does mass recall, but tactical recall might allow for wierd pressure builds with the lower cd time. Also cheeper robo and weeker hydras will make you wayyy more stable getting to three base which is often the realy hard part for toss. burrrow changes wont be a big deal because robo is cheeper so obs are alot more accessible, further cheeper robo might mean that toss can build alot more obs and have better map vision. Sure carrier is nerfed but your ability to kill zerg before they get there went way up, also the new tempest seems like it will be alot better vs zerg because it will be alot harder to abduct them and kill them with that increased move speed. I plan on playing alot of protoss after this patch hits. Im gona proxy robo evrey game vs terran so I get 60%+ PvT win rate and than im going to macro vs zerg and other toss. I dunno, a lot of these assertions are pretty premature, IMO. For example, I don't think it's at all obvious that reactor Cyclone would be better at holding proxy immortals then tech-lab Cyclones--Immortals shit on current Cyclones as is, and the old-new Cyclone does a way better job at denying the prism and doesn't have to face-tank Immortal damage. As for late game, Protoss got one of the two pillars (Templars) of their lategame deathball vs bio nerfed and it's still an open question on how the changes to the other one (Tempests) will play out. Regardless, the lategame is one of the things they're going to watch closely, so if it's as bad as you say it'll be patched pretty soon. But I don't think it'll be as bad as you say. | ||
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