EPTIf he practiced as he always does in GSL, I don't think he would be eliminated by Stats in ro4. Especially his tvp style highly depends on amounts of practice.
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RandomOnlyTheHumanLf
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If he practiced as he always does in GSL, I don't think he would be eliminated by Stats in ro4. Especially his tvp style highly depends on amounts of practice. | ||
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RandomOnlyTheHumanLf
58 Posts
Koreans gonna be prepared in blizzcon and that will likely show Serral's real skills. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
Stats lost these past 5 weeks to: Serral - in the finals Soo (twice) Showtime Rogue Keen Nice Alive Innovation- twice, once in the GSL Trap Serral lost: literally nobody, not a single series dropped, online or offline, perfect record for like 3 months straight But i concede, Stats should be 2nd, since he is korean and won a GSL a few seasons ago. | ||
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Ej_
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On August 09 2018 16:59 Ej_ wrote: Serral also doesn't play nearly as many online tournaments (vs top Koreans) as Stats. Exactly, so we should count every tournament he didnt enter this year as forfeit losses, which would drop his winrate to something like 60%. | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On August 09 2018 17:13 dummy1 wrote: @Geo.Rion Dude, what's your problem? You've just lost everything? Chill. your comment makes no sense edit: Oh, right, u re one of the people saying Stats over Serral in august. Good username. | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
But Serral legit earned #1 right now. He has been equally dominant as Maru and then won the head to head, admittedly bo1 but if you can't split them and it comes to that surely you pick the winner. Also Trap seems to be being kept at 9 for someone's random gimmick I don't think he is top 10 worthy atm. Soo and Inno both ahead of him easily. | ||
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
On August 11 2018 06:06 Dave4 wrote: Hey folks, I gotta say I'm not a super Serral fanboy, and I seriously recognise and respect GSL as the top tier. But Serral legit earned #1 right now. He has been equally dominant as Maru and then won the head to head, admittedly bo1 but if you can't split them and it comes to that surely you pick the winner. Also Trap seems to be being kept at 9 for someone's random gimmick I don't think he is top 10 worthy atm. Soo and Inno both ahead of him easily. Maru: Wins 2 gsl's Serral: Wins gsl vs the world and a single game against Maru Serral hasn't shown nearly as much dominance in tournaments worthy of someone of his skill level, he looked incredible at GSL vs the World and is very clearly in the top few players but Maru is so far showing one of the most dominant years in Starcraft 2 history. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 11 2018 06:06 Dave4 wrote: But Serral legit earned #1 right now. He has been equally dominant as Maru and then won the head to head, admittedly bo1 but if you can't split them and it comes to that surely you pick the winner. Equally dominant in a vastly inferior region? It's shocking how much people downplay winning 2 GSLs since Serral won GSL vs TW. No one did that when Stats and herO won supertournaments, or when Rogue won IEM Shangai. | ||
Poopi
France12768 Posts
I don’t think any foreigner will be able to achieve that ever as long as GSL are the highest level tournament | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
I think 3 back2back2back WCS is equally as difficult as a GSL, or harder as noone has done it before and statistically way more variation based on number of players. Therefore they're at least even and Serral won the H2H convincingly. I'm not a Serral fanboy but come on U can't just pass off 4 premiers in a row as nothing. | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
So U can say it's one of the most dominant runs in SC2 from Maru but he is doing it in basically the most favourable era with a heavy advantage over everyone else so that probably waters it down a fair bit. | ||
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Z3nith
485 Posts
On August 11 2018 18:10 Dave4 wrote: Like I said I get GSL is top but Serral won 4 tournaments back to back: 3 WCS and 1 GSL vs Maru 2 GSL only. I think 3 back2back2back WCS is equally as difficult as a GSL, or harder as noone has done it before and statistically way more variation based on number of players. Therefore they're at least even and Serral won the H2H convincingly. I'm not a Serral fanboy but come on U can't just pass off 4 premiers in a row as nothing. Maru did something that hasn't been done since Nestea in his back to back GSLs. While, yes back to back to back is impressive for Serral it wasn't against the same calibre of opponent, just look at the runs to the finals from the ro16 onwards. Maru: GSL season 1: Dear, Gumiho, sOs, Dark, Stats GSL season 2: Patience, Solar, Rogue, Classic, Zest Serral: Leipzig: Masa, Nerchio, Special, Showtime Austin: Kelazhur, HeroMarine, Lambo, Mana Valencia: Scarlett, Reynor, HeroMarine, Has Just looking at the calibre of opponents, Maru's run was far more impressive. Even the weaker players in his runs were on par with a lot of the players that Serral played in his runs. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15897 Posts
On August 11 2018 18:10 Dave4 wrote: Like I said I get GSL is top but Serral won 4 tournaments back to back: 3 WCS and 1 GSL vs Maru 2 GSL only. I think 3 back2back2back WCS is equally as difficult as a GSL, or harder as noone has done it before and statistically way more variation based on number of players. Therefore they're at least even and Serral won the H2H convincingly. I'm not a Serral fanboy but come on U can't just pass off 4 premiers in a row as nothing. You're overrating WCS wins. Every top 10 player would win every WCS in Serral's place. | ||
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Poopi
France12768 Posts
On August 11 2018 19:33 Charoisaur wrote: You're overrating WCS wins. Every top 10 player would win every WCS in Serral's place. Top 10 no not at all lol. Maybe top 5-6 | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
On August 09 2018 18:34 Geo.Rion wrote: your comment makes no sense edit: Oh, right, u re one of the people saying Stats over Serral in august. Good username. Bro, IT doesn't matter who's first. Make your own PR. Make you own list. IT doesn't matter now. It can't help to recover the scene and make it better. It's just important to keep in mind that who is who and what have they done to you and to the world. | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
On August 11 2018 18:27 Z3nith wrote: Maru did something that hasn't been done since Nestea in his back to back GSLs. While, yes back to back to back is impressive for Serral it wasn't against the same calibre of opponent, just look at the runs to the finals from the ro16 onwards. Maru: GSL season 1: Dear, Gumiho, sOs, Dark, Stats GSL season 2: Patience, Solar, Rogue, Classic, Zest Serral: Leipzig: Masa, Nerchio, Special, Showtime Austin: Kelazhur, HeroMarine, Lambo, Mana Valencia: Scarlett, Reynor, HeroMarine, Has Just looking at the calibre of opponents, Maru's run was far more impressive. Even the weaker players in his runs were on par with a lot of the players that Serral played in his runs. Yeah you are also deliberately excluding his GSL win there I see to further your case... Basically they each have 1 GSL, then it's 1 GSL compared to three WCS. And that's ignoring the other titles he has won. Anywho, I get it, GSL is the top and I know Korea has been where it's at for a long time and a new world order is going to rustle a few feathers along the way. Point is until they play each other we will never know who is better. Oh wait User was warned for this post. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 11 2018 20:53 Dave4 wrote: Yeah you are also deliberately excluding his GSL win there I see to further your case... Basically they each have 1 GSL, then it's 1 GSL compared to three WCS. And that's ignoring the other titles he has won. Anywho, I get it, GSL is the top and I know Korea has been where it's at for a long time and a new world order is going to rustle a few feathers along the way. Point is until they play each other we will never know who is better. Oh wait I like how you say that they both have one gsl so it is just one gsl compared to the three wcs events. Yeah no because maru won gsl code s and not just a weekender gsl vs the world. You cannot just 1:1 compare these two, with that being said i would definitely rank this "gsl win" higher than his wcs wins. Maru also won WESG which is basically a harder WCS event (not by a lot, but still). Personally i think it is almost laughable if you wanna add these things up and come to the conclusion that serral is ahead (or even really close), i think maru's achievements are easily more valuable this year so far. Serral's Gsl vs the world win is definitely making sure he catches up though and one also shouldn't forget that the tournament placings at the start of the year only can mean so much anymore for a PR now, so that could give serral additional fire here. For the next PR it will really come down to this code s and how maru does there, serral will surely win the next wcs event because noone is close to his skill and he is actually favored to win a wcs event not only compared to anybody in the field but the whole field combined. | ||
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Z3nith
485 Posts
On August 11 2018 20:53 Dave4 wrote: Yeah you are also deliberately excluding his GSL win there I see to further your case... Basically they each have 1 GSL, then it's 1 GSL compared to three WCS. And that's ignoring the other titles he has won. Anywho, I get it, GSL is the top and I know Korea has been where it's at for a long time and a new world order is going to rustle a few feathers along the way. Point is until they play each other we will never know who is better. Oh wait Yes they have played each other. twice. As it stands Maru is 3-1 on map score. You also can't really compare a GSL vs the World to a full blown GSL so no it's not 1 GSL to 3 WCS. GSL vs The World is more comparable to the Super Tournament but slightly weaker. As such when you factor in all that is said and done they are on comparable levels in terms of achievements in premier tournaments (2 GSLs, WESG for Maru and 3 WCS, GSL vs the World for Serral). To be clear, their achievements this year are definitely comparable and I would certainly like to see Serral impress at Blizzcon, however, as it stands Maru does edge past him. | ||
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