EPTThe gap has closed between foreigners and Korea - Page 14
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greenturtle23
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art_of_turtle
United States1206 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
In 2014 middle tier Koreans like Pigbaby could stomp foreigners on 300 ping and collect some easy cash. Nowadays middle tier European Zergs show up in finals in Seoul. The top 8 of Korea are the best in the world along with Serral but the middle of the pack is quickly getting overwhelmed. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On August 29 2019 14:50 Conut wrote: If say we take such a large sample size of 100/100 I might actually give koreans alot less chance then I would before, there are alot of skilled foreigners and alot less koreans who are top notch anymore, it's kinda crazy but they might not have the numbers anymore lol this would be hilarious to test tho i do feel like the kr's trying to get into gsl are better than the foreigners trying to break in to wcs. what evidence do i have to base this on? nothing. but i think it would be a fun open tournament lol | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On August 30 2019 09:23 Wombat_NI wrote: Well I mean is that really true now? Bomber and Taeja who can make Ro32 in GSL got absolutely destroyed at ASUS ROG i think the top 100 koreans are way better than the top 100 foreigners. but i would love to see this be put to the test. tho how could this happen?? offline? unfeasible. online? lag gg. edit: also, bomber is washed up. taeja is way out of form (and i know you know this wombat :p) | ||
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Elentos
55581 Posts
On August 31 2019 19:45 Alejandrisha wrote: i think the top 100 koreans are way better than the top 100 foreigners. but i would love to see this be put to the test. tho how could this happen?? offline? unfeasible. online? lag gg. edit: also, bomber is washed up. taeja is way out of form (and i know you know this wombat :p) There's far more non-Korean players. Korea might have an advantage in the first 30 to 35 players but the drop-off after that is massive because you go from pros to amateurs while the non-Koreans still have reserves. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On August 31 2019 19:45 Alejandrisha wrote: i think the top 100 koreans are way better than the top 100 foreigners. but i would love to see this be put to the test. tho how could this happen?? offline? unfeasible. online? lag gg. edit: also, bomber is washed up. taeja is way out of form (and i know you know this wombat :p) Top 100 koreans right now are worse than top 100 foreigners as a whole: to name one, on Aligulac MCanning is ranked #80 among non koreans while Elizae is #40 in Korea at the moment, you would get 50+ series of low level non korean pros vs random korean grandmasters at best. Top 20 koreans are better than their non korean counterpart by quite a large margin, top 5 is a closer affair and considering top 50 the foreign scene may already have the advantage. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On August 31 2019 20:18 Xain0n wrote: Top 100 koreans right now are worse than top 100 foreigners as a whole: to name one, on Aligulac MCanning is ranked #80 among non koreans while Elizae is #40 in Korea at the moment, you would get 50+ series of low level non korean pros vs random korean grandmasters at best. Top 20 koreans are better than their non korean counterpart by quite a large margin, top 5 is a closer affair and considering top 50 the foreign scene may already have the advantage. i would love to see them duke it out, though. maybe i'm thinking in bw terms. sc2 is probably more aligned to what you and other posters have been saying. edit: it's worth noting that for a lot of tournaments, eu and kr players are not playing head-to-head 'offline' so i don't know if you can use aligulac to determine these things. besides a few top eu players, eu and kr are pretty insular besides small online cups | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On September 01 2019 01:32 Alejandrisha wrote: i would love to see them duke it out, though. maybe i'm thinking in bw terms. sc2 is probably more aligned to what you and other posters have been saying. edit: it's worth noting that for a lot of tournaments, eu and kr players are not playing head-to-head 'offline' so i don't know if you can use aligulac to determine these things. besides a few top eu players, eu and kr are pretty insular besides small online cups Probably you are still thinking in HoTS terms, in BW terms post KeSpa top 50 would still be all koreans I guess. I wasn't comparing Aligulac ratings, just rankings; if we come down to ratings, Demi(#99 non korean) is on par with Speed(#39 korean) but what you are saying is true, mid and low tier koreans almost never play offline against their western counterpart. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26959 Posts
On August 31 2019 19:45 Alejandrisha wrote: i think the top 100 koreans are way better than the top 100 foreigners. but i would love to see this be put to the test. tho how could this happen?? offline? unfeasible. online? lag gg. edit: also, bomber is washed up. taeja is way out of form (and i know you know this wombat :p) I mean absolutely, but I can’t really think of other players to throw out. They’re players who have qualified for GSLs, and also by virtue of their names have played in an offline tournament vs foreigners as well in the same kind of span. If this is how players who can still make Code S do vs foreigners now, and we contrast that with previous eras and how Koreans who were Ro32 Code S level, or didn’t even play in it, I think that’s been by far the area of most shift between the scenes. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 03 2019 08:20 Circumstance wrote: Interesting how whenever we talk about "removing region lock", there's no discussion of one country having eight Blizzcon spots reserved for the results of one tournament series in which both the qualifiers and entire main tournament are held exclusively on LAN in the same country, have been since 2010, and still has the utter gall to call itself "Global". Call me crazy, but that sounds like it's been a pretty powerful regional locking mechanism for about nine years. I love how we never talk about the fact that said country has 12 out of top 16 players yet has reserved ONLY 8 spots. Not 10(which would be still favorable towards WCS). On September 07 2019 00:01 Wombat_NI wrote: I mean absolutely, but I can’t really think of other players to throw out. They’re players who have qualified for GSLs, and also by virtue of their names have played in an offline tournament vs foreigners as well in the same kind of span. If this is how players who can still make Code S do vs foreigners now, and we contrast that with previous eras and how Koreans who were Ro32 Code S level, or didn’t even play in it, I think that’s been by far the area of most shift between the scenes. I actually think that they're the most noticable because Terran wasn't particulary strong and SC2 made a huge step forward between HotS and LotV and generally during every post-Blizzcon patch. Parting returned and isn't that bad(isn't that good either though). | ||
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TT1
Canada10045 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On September 07 2019 05:46 TT1 wrote: Didnt we go 7-8 vs team korea (and these were the top players at the time) in 2011? That was the first time any of us played vs Koreans live at an event (minus guys like HuK and Jinro). Prior to that no one practiced on KR or with pro teams. Yes, you did and it was amazing! Dimaga lost the ace game against NesTea before breaking his streak in ZvZ the next day. | ||
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