EPTThoughts on auto-matchmaking - Page 11
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fanta[Rn]
Japan2465 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17845 Posts
On June 12 2007 18:21 fanta[Rn] wrote: jacen kicks ass. I second that! What? | ||
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Dendra
Croatia801 Posts
On June 12 2007 18:11 Manit0u wrote: FFS have you ever tried to play WC3? The amm/ladder there works like that: 1: it tries to pair you with similar oponent (similar win ratio, if you abuse this like people who get 1-300 stats first to get easy oponents - and you get more for win than you lose for losing- you get banned) 2: if you reach top 6/10 (don't remember the numbers) in the ladder season you get to play with the pros at different gateway (only available to such people) Damn, I'm drunk, people please correct me if I'm wrong. #2 is the biggest problem of amm, here a lowest rank can play the highest at the start of a season, he's much more likely to encounter a gosu without amm then with it, some people just like to get a chance to play vs someone good without being good themselves, if you've got amm randomizing opponents all over the world and you're a noob...your chances won't be that high, especially because good players tend to have freaky stats, like 70-0, etc. in wc3 such players get raised to a harder ladder or whatever, leaving the noobs behind, in sc we're all in one pot. that's one of the best things about manual search and the sc ladder. | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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Dendra
Croatia801 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
you simply make zero sense at all. what you claim to be one of the best things of a manual ladder is in fact garbage. a newb who gets raped by a very good player doesn't learn anything, the best way to learn is to play people who are slightly better than you and for the good player it's a total waste of time to play the newb. you're claiming the opposite, this combined with your other posts in this thread = you're retarded. | ||
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Dendra
Croatia801 Posts
On June 13 2007 06:45 Carnac wrote: bw.de is supposed to tell me what exactly in this context? you simply make zero sense at all. what you claim to be one of the best things of a manual ladder is in fact garbage. a newb who gets raped by a very good player doesn't learn anything, the best way to learn is to play people who are slightly better than you and for the good player it's a total waste of time to play the newb. you're claiming the opposite, this combined with your other posts in this thread = you're retarded. i never said the noob wants to Learn something, he just wants to Play. read carefully next time. and bw.de - you know what i'm talking about and it's intention is to get you off my back. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
and no, i don't know what you're talking about, so please elaborate | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
you don't even fully understand how it works only the most conservative change-adverse people wouldn't want it. i would absolutely LOVE an AMM option for ladder and especially for 2v2/3v3 team games, and i suspect the vast majority of BW players would as well. to deny all the positives for some obscure nonsensical reasons that you stated is just flat out stupid. | ||
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Dendra
Croatia801 Posts
On June 13 2007 07:25 Carnac wrote: yes, but he can play just as well with anyone else, which is why I explained to you that what you think is an advantage is in fact none. I just went half a step ahead to make a better point -.- and no, i don't know what you're talking about, so please elaborate your step was already told by other guys and read prior to my post, i named a good side of manual search, not it's opposite bad one, even though both were mentioned earlier it seems you overlooked 'em so i rewrote the good one. it's of no interest to me to go deeper into bw.de subject.hf | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On June 13 2007 08:32 Dendra wrote: ok you go off on me mentioning bw.de obviously with some whateverthefuckyouwerethinking-intended meaning and when i dont understand what you mean by the simple mention of a website's name you suddenly decide you don't want to? why dont you go fuck yourself and shut the fuck up for good then?it's of no interest to me to go deeper into bw.de subject.hf | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5472 Posts
When you are at the top ~50 or so on the ladder right now in War3, after a certain, known cut off date , the people in the top 50 are entered in a special ladder for a few weeks, where the top 16 players get to compete for the world finals. It's not top 6/10 or whatever poor drunk Manit0u said.  So people try really hard to qualify for this then... well, the tournament continues? This is the ladder finals. I don't see how this is bad at all >_< These aren't just people who are simply GOOD, these are the top players in War3. I couldn't play with Savior in BW now, could I? | ||
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Dendra
Croatia801 Posts
On June 13 2007 09:51 SoleSteeler wrote: Well. When you are at the top ~50 or so on the ladder right now in War3, after a certain, known cut off date , the people in the top 50 are entered in a special ladder for a few weeks, where the top 16 players get to compete for the world finals. It's not top 6/10 or whatever poor drunk Manit0u said. So people try really hard to qualify for this then... well, the tournament continues? This is the ladder finals. I don't see how this is bad at all >_< These aren't just people who are simply GOOD, these are the top players in War3. I couldn't play with Savior in BW now, could I? dont compare sc and wc3 top class players. here we have noobs, top class non-koreans, problem is these top class non-koreans are like noobs compared to the top class koreans. on our ladder progamers dont play, so no matter if you had this amm thingey the progamers wouldn't waste their time on playing some roflmao ladder vs some low-class chobos. wc3 is still far from reaching it's peak skill wise, hence whole world is equal in it, you got wc3 gosus from all over the world. on a side note - progamers do play our ladder from time to time, though it's mostly the lower class progamers and then Everyone on the ladder has a chance of playing against them, not just the top16,30 or whatever. Comparing wc3 with sc is like comparing any sport in female and male competition, in tennis for example nadal/federer are freaking imba perfection gaming style players, chix just scream around, same goes here, it's 10 times easier to get to the highest level in wc3 than in sc, hence lotta people just want to play a game vs someone better while it would normally take them years of training to get close to their level and maybe play them - this way you get a memorable game even if you aint skilled enough. what you guys call pros in wc3 we can call just an average sc players who have mastered the micro basics, there are tons of people with "perfect" micro, doing all the trivial things and nobody mentions them, in wc3 when someone does a crazy micro stunt he's called godlike - doh, it's easy to think and micro when that's only thing you have to do, like many said before, what makes sc so hard is that you do tons of thins at same time and have to think+manage your army, etc. | ||
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silynxer
Germany439 Posts
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
On June 13 2007 11:31 silynxer wrote: Wow Dendra really is the king of internet discussion retards. Fixed. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5472 Posts
On June 13 2007 09:51 SoleSteeler wrote: Well. When you are at the top ~50 or so on the ladder right now in War3, after a certain, known cut off date , the people in the top 50 are entered in a special ladder for a few weeks, where the top 16 players get to compete for the world finals. It's not top 6/10 or whatever poor drunk Manit0u said. So people try really hard to qualify for this then... well, the tournament continues? This is the ladder finals. I don't see how this is bad at all >_< These aren't just people who are simply GOOD, these are the top players in War3. I couldn't play with Savior in BW now, could I? dont compare sc and wc3 top class players. here we have noobs, top class non-koreans, problem is these top class non-koreans are like noobs compared to the top class koreans. on our ladder progamers dont play, so no matter if you had this amm thingey the progamers wouldn't waste their time on playing some roflmao ladder vs some low-class chobos. wc3 is still far from reaching it's peak skill wise, hence whole world is equal in it, you got wc3 gosus from all over the world. It doesn't really matter: the top is still the top. A point I made much earlier is that with War3's AMM ladder, the top players make MONEY, so there is incentive for them to play on it, rather than train by themselves. $20 000 USD isn't an incentive to play on a "roflmao" ladder? on a side note - progamers do play our ladder from time to time, though it's mostly the lower class progamers and then Everyone on the ladder has a chance of playing against them, not just the top16,30 or whatever. Comparing wc3 with sc is like comparing any sport in female and male competition, in tennis for example nadal/federer are freaking imba perfection gaming style players, chix just scream around, same goes here, it's 10 times easier to get to the highest level in wc3 than in sc, hence lotta people just want to play a game vs someone better while it would normally take them years of training to get close to their level and maybe play them - this way you get a memorable game even if you aint skilled enough. what you guys call pros in wc3 we can call just an average sc players who have mastered the micro basics, there are tons of people with "perfect" micro, doing all the trivial things and nobody mentions them, in wc3 when someone does a crazy micro stunt he's called godlike - doh, it's easy to think and micro when that's only thing you have to do, like many said before, what makes sc so hard is that you do tons of thins at same time and have to think+manage your army, etc. You really have absolutely no idea what it takes to get high level in War3. Nooooo clue... what was your highest ranking/level or whatever in War3...? | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17845 Posts
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Dariush
Romania330 Posts
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Polemarch
Canada1564 Posts
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Dendra
Croatia801 Posts
wc3 amm - good, sc2 amm - good, sc amm - only as optional because ppl are used to playing this way, just like it's impossible to explain to a wc3 gamer that sc is superior in every aspect so is impossible to explain that cs 1.6 is superior to css, you dont get it until you understand it. amm is a good thing but we dont need it in sc ladder - it would be more useful to put it in public games. -end?- | ||
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