EPTKeepers of the Faith: Can INnoVation & Maru Save Terran? -…
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Boggyb
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Poopi
France12758 Posts
On January 05 2018 23:28 Nakajin wrote: Never understood all the hype behind Maru, sure he has some nice moves but Byun and Gumiho also have those magic hands. Maybe it's because I started to follow SC2 at the start of 2014 so I never saw him live at his peak. I am by no mean saying that he is a bad players of course he always stayed in the top of terran, but I really can't see how he "transcend terran". Still, well written article. Gumiho? Gumiho isn't known for his mechanics nor micro. Even himself knew it as you can see in his WCS 2017 signature series vidéo. Maru had some good micro centric TvZ on LotV, in the super tournament iirc, he still has his own signature style so the article is spot on about that. However I feel like Maru got put there for the narrative but in reality TY should have been there instead, he was the best performing terran at Blizzcon 2017 and there aren't enough data post patch to assess Maru as a potential savior of terrans. Thanks for the article tho, hopefully I'm wrong and Maru comes back, gotta love these Prime terrans. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On January 06 2018 00:13 Poopi wrote: However I feel like Maru got put there for the narrative but in reality TY should have been there instead, he was the best performing terran at Blizzcon 2017 and there aren't enough data post patch to assess Maru as a potential savior of terrans. TY has never won a tournament in Korea. | ||
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Topin
Peru10038 Posts
i really loved this article, thanks!!!! p.s. is this phrase correct? After effectively taking 2016 off, INnoVation returned in 2017 to lift the trophy in win four premier events | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1060 Posts
On January 05 2018 23:28 Nakajin wrote: Never understood all the hype behind Maru, sure he has some nice moves but Byun and Gumiho also have those magic hands. Maybe it's because I started to follow SC2 at the start of 2014 so I never saw him live at his peak. I am by no mean saying that he is a bad players of course he always stayed in the top of terran, but I really can't see how he "transcend terran". Still, well written article. "GuMiho has a real sense for strategy, but he lacks in raw talent" blame the game, not the player. GuMiho's skill-set is best suited for chaotic, low-econ situations, multi-tasking, unorthodox plays and grand strategy. these things have been slowly phased out over time, leaving no room for GuMiho to shine. Maru is just lucky his favourite units didn't get nerfed as hard as GuMiho's did. GuMiho is the best mech player, best tank-drop user, best hellion user, best multi-prong attack player, an innovator and creator of many fine builds. but he's not the best at at marine/baneling split challenge so I guess he lacks raw talent  | ||
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Poopi
France12758 Posts
So what? Saving terrans is not necessarily in Korea, I would rather have INno losing GSL vs sOs but winning Blizzcon 2017... And TY had better results on LotV than Maru so my point still stands. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On January 06 2018 00:13 Poopi wrote: Gumiho? Gumiho isn't known for his mechanics nor micro. Even himself knew it as you can see in his WCS 2017 signature series vidéo. Maru had some good micro centric TvZ on LotV, in the super tournament iirc, he still has his own signature style so the article is spot on about that. However I feel like Maru got put there for the narrative but in reality TY should have been there instead, he was the best performing terran at Blizzcon 2017 and there aren't enough data post patch to assess Maru as a potential savior of terrans. Thanks for the article tho, hopefully I'm wrong and Maru comes back, gotta love these Prime terrans. Well maybe not micro, but lets say "cute move factors" | ||
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SCHWARZENEGGER
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scoo2r
Canada90 Posts
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jedi1982
United States172 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On January 05 2018 23:28 Nakajin wrote: Never understood all the hype behind Maru, sure he has some nice moves but Byun and Gumiho also have those magic hands. Maybe it's because I started to follow SC2 at the start of 2014 so I never saw him live at his peak. I am by no mean saying that he is a bad players of course he always stayed in the top of terran, but I really can't see how he "transcend terran". Still, well written article. Strange that you say you started following in 2014, it's only in 2017 that most of the hype went to Gumiho/ByuN, in 2015 Maru was undisputed as the best terran, and his proleague run in 2016 was talked about by everyone In terms of results over the years I'd say Maru is ahead of ByuN and Gumiho as well. While they both peaked for one season and won a GSL, Maru has countless more ro8/ro4 GSL finishes, maybe more than any other active player (?). Even in 2014, when he didn't win anything, it felt like he was the only terran making GSL playoffs every season | ||
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iamkaokao
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SoleSteeler
Canada5405 Posts
...Maru’s most glorious moment wasn’t when he beat Rain to win the only StarCraft II OSL... I was there When Rain beat DRG - wasn't that also an OSL? Great article! | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On January 06 2018 00:13 Poopi wrote: However I feel like Maru got put there for the narrative but in reality TY should have been there instead, he was the best performing terran at Blizzcon 2017 and there aren't enough data post patch to assess Maru as a potential savior of terrans It's probably less to do with data and more to do with terran being considered underpowered right now, in that situation people will always look to Maru as the savior | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2715 Posts
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
On January 05 2018 23:28 Nakajin wrote: Never understood all the hype behind Maru, sure he has some nice moves but Byun and Gumiho also have those magic hands. Maybe it's because I started to follow SC2 at the start of 2014 so I never saw him live at his peak. I am by no mean saying that he is a bad players of course he always stayed in the top of terran, but I really can't see how he "transcend terran". Still, well written article. Maru did things (the semi with Innovation, his TvP in HoTS, that surround on Innovation in a bio vs mech game) that I have never seen anyone else do. Then he loses to weird shit and some questionable decision making  But the article is completely correct: Maru inspires. | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
Blizzard, fix. | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On January 06 2018 02:15 iamkaokao wrote: i see terran beating zergs and protoss all day in the korean ladder streams they are fine , Maru has been off the playoffs or round of 16 for years, not even in the top 15 of Korea Completely unrelated. A 6.5k+ player will be matched with people even 1000 mmr below him. So thats why you see the stomps on stream for pro korean races. Tournament play is different. You dont hide behind a barcode, your opponent knows you inside out. You have days or sometimes week to prepare. The statistics show that there is a big problem with terran right know. It is actually not viable to be a Terran progamer which is so sad. | ||
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