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yoshi7319b
Profile Joined May 2015
18 Posts
January 05 2018 18:49 GMT
#41
I like nerds and obviously people can say whatver they want,
but throwing around numbers and win statistics doesn´t do justice to this great article - which of course does the same thing itself, but is overall nothing short of good poetry.
guess all I want to say is: thanks, mizenhauer.
Togekiss
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada154 Posts
January 05 2018 19:26 GMT
#42
Thank-you for this article.

It clearly states why Maru deserves to be in the spotlight, yet the majority of readers say, "Why Maru, Maru hasn't done anything in forever etc etc." -- funny part is, that's exactly what I expected from this community: hating on Maru has been the cool thing to do for a very long time now, and it really is sad that most people just don't seem to have a true handle on Maru's ability, or what he's capable of when he means business... Sure, you may say it's a big "If", but honestly, if there's a Terran that can do it when INno can't, I would easily pick Maru any day of the week.

People so easily forget how Maru carried JAGW in PL when the likes of sOs and Rogue couldn't muster any consistency for their team.

People so easily forget the Terran whom so often has been praised by the likes of soO and Scarlett as the best TvZer on the planet etc etc.

Pro's fear Maru because they get it - even if you don't.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4948 Posts
January 05 2018 19:58 GMT
#43
On January 06 2018 02:15 iamkaokao wrote:
i see terran beating zergs and protoss all day in the korean ladder streams they are fine , Maru has been off the playoffs or round of 16 for years, not even in the top 15 of Korea


Wait what? Maru has 2 of 3 Ro8 code S appearances in 2017 same as ByuN, one more than Gumi and 1 less than TY.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
January 05 2018 20:05 GMT
#44
On January 06 2018 03:42 Psychobabas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2018 02:15 iamkaokao wrote:
i see terran beating zergs and protoss all day in the korean ladder streams they are fine , Maru has been off the playoffs or round of 16 for years, not even in the top 15 of Korea


Completely unrelated.

A 6.5k+ player will be matched with people even 1000 mmr below him. So thats why you see the stomps on stream for pro korean races. Tournament play is different. You dont hide behind a barcode, your opponent knows you inside out. You have days or sometimes week to prepare. The statistics show that there is a big problem with terran right know. It is actually not viable to be a Terran progamer which is so sad.

Top 10 earnings : 6 Terrans, 2 Zergs, 2 Protoss
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
January 05 2018 21:09 GMT
#45
On January 06 2018 03:37 Psychobabas wrote:
When there are only 2 terrans that stand a chance in the meta, as this article points out, then you know something is very wrong.

Blizzard, fix.

TIL that one writer's opinions are undeniable fact.
PuddleZerg
Profile Joined August 2015
United States82 Posts
January 05 2018 21:34 GMT
#46
as soon as Terrans stops winning things, this sort of talk starts.

There haven't even been any major tournaments since HSC. This is crying wolf.
"Weapons grade autism" - Destiny
todespolka
Profile Joined November 2012
221 Posts
January 05 2018 21:43 GMT
#47
Innovation will probably win. Maru wasn't successful so far (since a year or since lotv). I doubt he will surprise as tomorrow. I fear he will show us some old cheese/strategies which don't work anymore.
todespolka
Profile Joined November 2012
221 Posts
January 05 2018 21:58 GMT
#48
On January 06 2018 04:26 Togekiss wrote:
Thank-you for this article.

It clearly states why Maru deserves to be in the spotlight, yet the majority of readers say, "Why Maru, Maru hasn't done anything in forever etc etc." -- funny part is, that's exactly what I expected from this community: hating on Maru has been the cool thing to do for a very long time now, and it really is sad that most people just don't seem to have a true handle on Maru's ability, or what he's capable of when he means business... Sure, you may say it's a big "If", but honestly, if there's a Terran that can do it when INno can't, I would easily pick Maru any day of the week.

People so easily forget how Maru carried JAGW in PL when the likes of sOs and Rogue couldn't muster any consistency for their team.

People so easily forget the Terran whom so often has been praised by the likes of soO and Scarlett as the best TvZer on the planet etc etc.

Pro's fear Maru because they get it - even if you don't.


Nobody hates maru. It is a fact that he had no success recently. What have his old hots successes to do with tomorrow? Not all of us are maru fanboys, we respect his skill, but don't need to praise him 24/7.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12880 Posts
January 05 2018 22:12 GMT
#49
On January 06 2018 04:26 Togekiss wrote:
Thank-you for this article.

It clearly states why Maru deserves to be in the spotlight, yet the majority of readers say, "Why Maru, Maru hasn't done anything in forever etc etc." -- funny part is, that's exactly what I expected from this community: hating on Maru has been the cool thing to do for a very long time now, and it really is sad that most people just don't seem to have a true handle on Maru's ability, or what he's capable of when he means business... Sure, you may say it's a big "If", but honestly, if there's a Terran that can do it when INno can't, I would easily pick Maru any day of the week.

People so easily forget how Maru carried JAGW in PL when the likes of sOs and Rogue couldn't muster any consistency for their team.

People so easily forget the Terran whom so often has been praised by the likes of soO and Scarlett as the best TvZer on the planet etc etc.

Pro's fear Maru because they get it - even if you don't.

I don't hate Maru at all lol, just saying that TY is objectively the most suited for the role in the article.
WriterMaru
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
January 05 2018 22:39 GMT
#50
On January 06 2018 06:09 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2018 03:37 Psychobabas wrote:
When there are only 2 terrans that stand a chance in the meta, as this article points out, then you know something is very wrong.

Blizzard, fix.

TIL that one writer's opinions are undeniable fact.


I wouldnt say they are undeniable but I agree with you that there is a lot of strength to them.
DubiousC2
Profile Joined June 2016
129 Posts
January 05 2018 23:28 GMT
#51
Love your writing! What a fantastic read.
Manner MULE /dance
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
January 05 2018 23:34 GMT
#52
Mizenhauer never disappoints
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
January 05 2018 23:53 GMT
#53
Maru has been my absolute favorite player for a very long time, as long as he's a contender on the top stage I will watch if I can. I absolutely agree with the phrase that Maru inspires, you cannot comprehend it, its so awesome.

Please Maru, keep on showing us that spark!
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
January 06 2018 00:44 GMT
#54
On January 06 2018 00:13 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2018 23:28 Nakajin wrote:
Never understood all the hype behind Maru, sure he has some nice moves but Byun and Gumiho also have those magic hands. Maybe it's because I started to follow SC2 at the start of 2014 so I never saw him live at his peak.

I am by no mean saying that he is a bad players of course he always stayed in the top of terran, but I really can't see how he "transcend terran".
Still, well written article.

Gumiho? Gumiho isn't known for his mechanics nor micro.
Even himself knew it as you can see in his WCS 2017 signature series vidéo.

Maru had some good micro centric TvZ on LotV, in the super tournament iirc, he still has his own signature style so the article is spot on about that.
However I feel like Maru got put there for the narrative but in reality TY should have been there instead, he was the best performing terran at Blizzcon 2017 and there aren't enough data post patch to assess Maru as a potential savior of terrans.

Thanks for the article tho, hopefully I'm wrong and Maru comes back, gotta love these Prime terrans.


GumiGod was using mech and winning with it in 2014 onwards, long before INno adapted it for his use to lethal effect at the end of 2015. Only the likes of Samsung duo Reality and BrAvO were meching as much as him, but were unable to get many wins with it or had the innate knowledge and experience of Gumiho. He was somewhat unique in that, in my opinion, his bio was slightly weaker than his mech. In 2017 he completely changed his binds and looked at himself and made massive improvements. His effortless mech style in the GSL 2017 S2 finals vs soO epitomised his mech extraordinaire credentials.
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MiCroLiFe
Profile Joined March 2012
Norway264 Posts
January 06 2018 00:59 GMT
#55
only balance team can save terran;)
Im Terran. Yes i will balance whine somethimes. And thats how we terrans survive, Hoping for balance patches<3
TheWinks
Profile Joined July 2011
United States572 Posts
January 06 2018 01:09 GMT
#56
Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-06 01:20:16
January 06 2018 01:19 GMT
#57
On January 06 2018 05:05 Tyrhanius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2018 03:42 Psychobabas wrote:
On January 06 2018 02:15 iamkaokao wrote:
i see terran beating zergs and protoss all day in the korean ladder streams they are fine , Maru has been off the playoffs or round of 16 for years, not even in the top 15 of Korea


Completely unrelated.

A 6.5k+ player will be matched with people even 1000 mmr below him. So thats why you see the stomps on stream for pro korean races. Tournament play is different. You dont hide behind a barcode, your opponent knows you inside out. You have days or sometimes week to prepare. The statistics show that there is a big problem with terran right know. It is actually not viable to be a Terran progamer which is so sad.

Top 10 earnings : 6 Terrans, 2 Zergs, 2 Protoss


Earnings is just a stupid way to judge balance. Some of the highest skill tournaments have $25K prize pools, and some lower skill ones have six figure prizes. Which race happens to earn the most is too random to mean anything
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
NKexquisite
Profile Joined January 2009
United States911 Posts
January 06 2018 02:29 GMT
#58
Nicely written. I enjoyed it
Whattttt Upppppppp Im Nesteaaaaaa!!
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
January 06 2018 02:30 GMT
#59
On January 06 2018 10:19 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2018 05:05 Tyrhanius wrote:
On January 06 2018 03:42 Psychobabas wrote:
On January 06 2018 02:15 iamkaokao wrote:
i see terran beating zergs and protoss all day in the korean ladder streams they are fine , Maru has been off the playoffs or round of 16 for years, not even in the top 15 of Korea


Completely unrelated.

A 6.5k+ player will be matched with people even 1000 mmr below him. So thats why you see the stomps on stream for pro korean races. Tournament play is different. You dont hide behind a barcode, your opponent knows you inside out. You have days or sometimes week to prepare. The statistics show that there is a big problem with terran right know. It is actually not viable to be a Terran progamer which is so sad.

Top 10 earnings : 6 Terrans, 2 Zergs, 2 Protoss


Earnings is just a stupid way to judge balance. Some of the highest skill tournaments have $25K prize pools, and some lower skill ones have six figure prizes. Which race happens to earn the most is too random to mean anything

Amen.

Not to mention, those are total career earnings. Balance has changed many, many times over the years.
Denominator of the Universe
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3683 Posts
January 06 2018 02:32 GMT
#60
On January 06 2018 02:15 SoleSteeler wrote:
Show nested quote +
...Maru’s most glorious moment wasn’t when he beat Rain to win the only StarCraft II OSL...


I was there When Rain beat DRG - wasn't that also an OSL?

Great article!


Yep. (Wiki)2012 OnGameNet Starleague Season 1

Great article. Actually makes me wanna watch GSL again after like 3 years.
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