• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:34
CEST 09:34
KST 16:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps!0[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High14Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments2[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon10
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes196BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch2Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes Why Storm Should NOT Be Nerfed – A Core Part of Pr Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps! #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time SC4ALL: A North American StarCraft LAN
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Stellar Fest KSL Week 80 StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High Old rep packs of BW legends ASL ro8 Upper Bracket HYPE VIDEO
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro8 Day 1 [ASL20] Ro16 Group D SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Why can't Americans stop ea…
Peanutsc
Too Many LANs? Tournament Ov…
TrAiDoS
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1892 users

Community PR v8: A new chance for foreigners! - Page 5

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 12 2017 19:30 GMT
#81
On October 13 2017 04:28 RCCar wrote:
1. (T)INnoVation
2. (Z)Rogue
3. (Z)Dark
4. (Z)soO
5. (P)Stats
6. (P)herO
7. (T)TY
8. (T)GuMiho
9. (P)Neeb
10. (Z)TRUE
11. (Z)Serral
12. (Z)Nerchio
13. (Z)Elazer
14. (T)MajOr
15. (T)Kelazhur


You forgot Snute.
alukarD
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-12 20:29:22
October 12 2017 20:17 GMT
#82
1. (T)INnoVation
2. (Z)soO
3. (P)Stats
4. (P)Neeb
5. (P)herO
6. (Z)Rogue
7. (Z)Dark
8. (T)TY
9. (Z)Serral
10. (T)GuMiho
11. (Z)Snute
12. (Z)Nerchio
13. (T)MajOr
14. (Z)Elazer
15. (Z)TRUE
16. (T)Kelazhur

Foreigners fighting!!
Die Trying
Edowyth
Profile Joined October 2010
United States183 Posts
October 12 2017 22:07 GMT
#83
On October 12 2017 12:23 Tesarul wrote:
I think the goal is just to make a Community Power Rank, it is not a contest to predict BlizzCon results.


... aaaaand I'm retarded. Thanks for the correction. Carry on.
"Q. How do I check a valid [e-]mail address? A. You can't, at least, not in real time. Bummer, eh?" /r/programming
Of course, you could just send them a validation email.
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
October 12 2017 22:19 GMT
#84
Kelazhur gonna prove everyone wrong.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-12 23:22:52
October 12 2017 23:22 GMT
#85
On October 13 2017 04:05 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2017 03:38 Elentos wrote:
On October 12 2017 07:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On October 12 2017 06:52 pvsnp wrote:
On October 12 2017 06:04 Z3nith wrote:
TY, Rogue, and INnoVation (by far) are the players that have dominated the "best player in the world" conversation for 2017.


Alright, Inno I get, but to say TY and Rogue have dominated is just wrong. Stats has had a better year than either of them.

I'm not talking about who is actually the best. I'm talking about who the community has been claiming is the best. There is a difference.

Stats has a pretty legitimate claim for being the best player of 2017. His consistency across the whole year has been incredible. Inno probably has the best claim simply because he's won so many more trophies than everyone else, but whereas people loved to talk about TY at the beginning of the year and love to talk about Rogue now, Stats barely gets any attention despite having a better claim than either of them.

Hype isn't always tied to skill. Inno has tons of hype and skill, ByuN has more hype than skill, and Stats has more skill than hype.


TY is as overhyped as ByuN imo. He's been unimpressive (certainly not bad by any means but nothing exceptional) in the last six months yet people still consider him one of the very best. He's been on a slow upswing though, so maybe he do well at Blizzcon.

Don't you think 6 months is a bit much? Who can really say of themselves they were impressive for the entirety of the last 6 months? herO had 3 good tournaments and many weak performances in-between over 6 months. GuMiho hasn't had a single decent offline run since he won GSL. TY had his usual Ro8s in GSL, a top 4 at IEM and 2nd at GSL vs the World, but also didn't qualify for the Super Tournament, etc.

I do think people tend to overhype players, and TY has been one of them this year certainly(probably in due part because Artosis loves him so much), but I also think that TY's position in the food chain hasn't actually varied much this year. Kind of like how Stats has been the best Protoss in the world practically all year, TY has been the 2nd best Korean Terran practically all year. And being the 2nd best Korean Terran puts you pretty far up the food chain.

Fun fact about Stats also, he's arguably the most consistent player of 2017, but if you just got his winrates since his Code S win, you'd think he's a B-teamer.

16. (T)Kelazhur
15. (Z)TRUE
14. (T)SpeCial
13. (Z)Nerchio
12. (Z)Snute
11. (Z)Elazer
10. (T)GuMiho
9. (Z)Serral
8. (P)Neeb
7. (Z)soO
6. (P)herO
5. (T)TY
4. (P)Stats
3. (Z)Dark
2. (Z)Rogue
1. (T)INnoVation


I'm saying that he hasn't been particularly impressive at any point over the last six months, not that he needs to be impressive over a six month period. Even his good runs are punctuated by losses where he looks hopeless. I don't think he's bad, just not the championship contender that people seem to think he is.


The same would be said about Stats and Innovation right before their recent titles though. They both were in the same bag as TY for the most part (massive wins earlier in the year, average to reasonably high finishes since). All of them have had embarassing losses (ST for example), but they also have lot of ro8/4/final appearances. By any standard they're clear championship contenders, along with Dark and Rogue.

Assuming you define a "championship contender" the same way, someone that wouldn't be a shock if they won the event. TY having beaten all of the top (8 minus herO?) in premier tournaments in the last 6 months puts him up there.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
October 13 2017 03:53 GMT
#86
The only real championship contenders are Rogue and herO the way they have been playing lately
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-13 11:57:54
October 13 2017 10:10 GMT
#87
1. (T)INnoVation
2. (Z)Dark
3. (P)herO
4. (P)Stats
5. (Z)Rogue
6. (Z)soO
7. (P)Neeb
8. (T)GuMiho
9. (T)TY
10. (Z)Serral
11. (Z)Elazer
12. (Z)TRUE
13. (Z)Nerchio
14. (T)MajOr
15. (Z)Snute
16. (T)Kelazhur

Edit: Thanks, not sure what happened, 3 zergs got lost.
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
October 13 2017 10:19 GMT
#88
On October 13 2017 19:10 papapanda wrote:
1. (T)INnoVation
2. (Z)Dark
3. (P)herO
4. (P)Stats
5. (Z)Rogue
6. (Z)soO
7. (P)Neeb
8. (T)GuMiho
9. (T)TY
13. (Z)Nerchio
14. (T)MajOr
15. (Z)Snute
16. (T)Kelazhur


So who's ranked 10-12?
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
October 13 2017 13:19 GMT
#89
1. (Z)Rogue
2. (P)herO
3. (T)INnoVation
4. (P)Stats
5. (P)Neeb
6. (T)GuMiho
7. (Z)Dark
8. (T)TY
9. (Z)soO
10. (Z)Serral
11. (Z)Nerchio
12. (Z)Elazer
13. (T)MajOr
14. (Z)Snute
15. (Z)TRUE
16. (T)Kelazhur
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28485 Posts
October 14 2017 10:06 GMT
#90
1. (T)INnoVation
2. (P)Stats
3. (Z)Dark
4. (Z)Rogue
5. (P)herO
6. (Z)soO
7. (T)TY
8. (T)GuMiho

9. (P)Neeb
10. (Z)Serral
11. (Z)Elazer
12. (Z)Snute
13. (Z)Nerchio
14. (Z)TRUE
15. (T)MajOr
16. (T)Kelazhur



I Protoss winner, could it be?
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
October 14 2017 12:56 GMT
#91
On October 14 2017 19:06 Penev wrote:
1. (T)INnoVation
2. (P)Stats
3. (Z)Dark
4. (Z)Rogue
5. (P)herO
6. (Z)soO
7. (T)TY
8. (T)GuMiho

9. (P)Neeb
10. (Z)Serral
11. (Z)Elazer
12. (Z)Snute
13. (Z)Nerchio
14. (Z)TRUE
15. (T)MajOr
16. (T)Kelazhur




same for me
･ﾟ✧:･ﾟ+..｡✧･ﾟ:・..｡ ✧･ﾟ :･ﾟ ゜・:･ ✧･ﾟ:･ﾟ:.｡ ✧･ﾟ SPARKULING *・゜・:･ﾟ✧:･ﾟ✧｡ﾟ+..｡ ✧･ﾟ: ✧･ﾟ:・゜・:･ﾟ✧::・・:･ﾟ･ﾟ
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
October 15 2017 14:53 GMT
#92
1.(Z)Rogue
2. (T)INnoVation
3. (Z)Dark
4. (P)Stats
5.(P)herO
6.(T)TY
7.(P)Neeb
8.(Z)soO
9.(Z)Serral
10.(Z)Elazer
11. (T)GuMiho
12. (Z)Snute
13. (Z)Nerchio
14. (T)MajOr
15. (Z)TRUE
16. (T)Kelazhur
LiT'soLo
Profile Joined May 2017
1 Post
October 15 2017 16:34 GMT
#93
1)(Z)Rogue
2)(T)INnoVation
3) (T)TY
4)(P)Stats
5)(Z)soO
6)(Z)Dark
7)(P)herO
8)(T)GuMiho
9)(P)Neeb
10)(Z)Elazer
11)(Z)Serral
12)(T)MajOr
13)(T)Kelazhur
14)(Z)Snute
15)(Z)Nerchio
16)(Z)TRUE
Term
Profile Joined February 2014
Germany5 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 13:53:29
October 18 2017 13:51 GMT
#94
1. (T)INnoVation
2. (P)Stats
3. (Z)Rogue
4. (T)TY
5. (P)herO
6. (Z)Dark
7. (Z)soO
8. (T)GuMiho
9. (P)Neeb
10. (Z)Serral
11. (T)MajOr
12. (Z)Nerchio
13. (Z)Elazer
14. (T)Kelazhur
15. (Z)Snute
16. (Z)TRUE

Feels bad to put some players in the lower spots, but everybody on that list is just so good :o
Time flies. It really does..
EndlessViolence
Profile Joined January 2011
114 Posts
October 19 2017 20:08 GMT
#95
1.(P)herO
2.(Z)Rogue
3.(Z)Dark
4.(P)Stats
5.(T)INnoVation
6.(T)TY
7.(P)Neeb
8.(Z)Serral
9.(Z)soO
10.(T)GuMiho
11.(Z)Elazer
12.(Z)Snute
13.(T)MajOr
14.(Z)Nerchio
15.(Z)TRUE
16.(T)Kelazhur

The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-22 22:29:20
October 22 2017 22:28 GMT
#96
Don't forget about this!
TL's official PR/Road to Blizzcon series is approaching the end as well, let's get a few more votes in till then!
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16084 Posts
October 22 2017 22:36 GMT
#97
1. (T)INnoVation
2. (Z)Rogue
3. (P)Stats
4. (Z)soO
5. (Z)Dark
6. (P)herO
7. (T)GuMiho
8. (T)TY
9. (P)Neeb
10. (Z)Snute
11. (Z)Serral
12. (Z)Elazer
13. (T)MajOr
14. (Z)Nerchio
15. (Z)TRUE
16. (T)Kelazhur
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
October 23 2017 06:59 GMT
#98
Here is my completely fair and unbiased ranking:

(Z)soO
(T)INnoVation
(Z)Rogue
(P)Stats
(Z)Dark
(T)TY
(P)herO
(T)GuMiho
(P)Neeb
(Z)Elazer
(Z)Nerchio
(Z)Serral
(Z)Snute
(T)MajOr
(Z)TRUE
(T)Kelazhur
xongnox
Profile Joined November 2011
540 Posts
October 23 2017 10:05 GMT
#99
Well, to be honest :

1. (P)Stats
2. (T)INnoVation
3. (Z)Dark
4. (Z)Rogue
5. (P)herO
6. (T)TY
7. (Z)soO
8. (T)GuMiho

12. (P)Neeb

16. (Z)Serral
16. (T)MajOr
16. (Z)Snute
16. (Z)Elazer
16. (Z)TRUE
16. (Z)Nerchio
16. (T)Kelazhur
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-24 19:21:23
October 24 2017 19:19 GMT
#100
Put this off for so long I forgot about it entirely until The_Red_Viper mentioned it in the Rogue article.

1. (T)INnoVation
2. (Z)Rogue
3. (Z)Dark
4. (P)herO
5. (P)Stats
6. (T)TY
7. (Z)soO
8. (P)Neeb
9. (Z)Serral
10. (T)GuMiho
11. (Z)Elazer
12. (Z)Snute
13. (T)MajOr
14. (Z)Nerchio
15. (T)Kelazhur
16. (Z)TRUE
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 26m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2577
Leta 606
Dewaltoss 129
Backho 69
ToSsGirL 56
Bale 24
ajuk12(nOOB) 20
soO 19
Sharp 15
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm120
XcaliburYe15
League of Legends
JimRising 596
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K786
shoxiejesuss165
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor126
Other Games
summit1g8562
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV88
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1537
• Stunt649
• HappyZerGling144
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
2h 26m
Barracks vs Mini
Wardi Open
3h 26m
Monday Night Weeklies
8h 26m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 2h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 2h
Snow vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Monday
1d 16h
LiuLi Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
Serral vs herO
Clem vs Reynor
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
RSL Revival: Season 2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.