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seopthi
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
393 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-11 20:47:37
October 11 2017 20:47 GMT
#41
1. (T)TY
2. (P)Stats
3. (Z)Rogue
4. (P)herO
5. (T)INnoVation
6. (Z)Dark
7. (T)GuMiho
8. (P)Neeb
9. (Z)soO
10. (T)MajOr
11. (Z)Serral
12. (Z)Elazer
13. (Z)TRUE
14. (Z)Nerchio
15. (Z)Snute
16. (T)Kelazhur
Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
October 11 2017 21:04 GMT
#42
TY, Rogue, and INnoVation (by far) are the players that have dominated the "best player in the world" conversation for 2017.


Alright, Inno I get, but to say TY and Rogue have dominated is just wrong. Stats has had a better year than either of them.
RiSkysc2
Profile Joined September 2011
696 Posts
October 11 2017 21:21 GMT
#43
1. (Z)Rogue
2. (T)INnoVation
3. (P)Stats
4. (P)herO
5. (P)Neeb
6. (Z)Dark
7. (Z)Serral
8. (T)TY
9. (Z)soO
10. (Z)Elazer
11. (Z)Snute
12. (T)MajOr
13. (T)GuMiho
14. (T)Kelazhur
15. (Z)Nerchio
16. (Z)TRUE
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-11 21:53:36
October 11 2017 21:52 GMT
#44
On October 12 2017 06:04 Z3nith wrote:
Show nested quote +
TY, Rogue, and INnoVation (by far) are the players that have dominated the "best player in the world" conversation for 2017.


Alright, Inno I get, but to say TY and Rogue have dominated is just wrong. Stats has had a better year than either of them.

I'm not talking about who is actually the best. I'm talking about who the community has been claiming is the best. There is a difference.

Stats has a pretty legitimate claim for being the best player of 2017. His consistency across the whole year has been incredible. Inno probably has the best claim simply because he's won so many more trophies than everyone else, but whereas people loved to talk about TY at the beginning of the year and love to talk about Rogue now, Stats barely gets any attention despite having a better claim than either of them.

Hype isn't always tied to skill. Inno has tons of hype and skill, ByuN has more hype than skill, and Stats has more skill than hype.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-11 22:40:23
October 11 2017 22:38 GMT
#45
On October 12 2017 06:52 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2017 06:04 Z3nith wrote:
TY, Rogue, and INnoVation (by far) are the players that have dominated the "best player in the world" conversation for 2017.


Alright, Inno I get, but to say TY and Rogue have dominated is just wrong. Stats has had a better year than either of them.

I'm not talking about who is actually the best. I'm talking about who the community has been claiming is the best. There is a difference.

Stats has a pretty legitimate claim for being the best player of 2017. His consistency across the whole year has been incredible. Inno probably has the best claim simply because he's won so many more trophies than everyone else, but whereas people loved to talk about TY at the beginning of the year and love to talk about Rogue now, Stats barely gets any attention despite having a better claim than either of them.

Hype isn't always tied to skill. Inno has tons of hype and skill, ByuN has more hype than skill, and Stats has more skill than hype.


TY is as overhyped as ByuN imo. He's been unimpressive (certainly not bad by any means but nothing exceptional) in the last six months yet people still consider him one of the very best. He's been on a slow upswing though, so maybe he do well at Blizzcon.
Powerfoe
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada167 Posts
October 11 2017 23:24 GMT
#46
1. (Z)Rogue
2. (Z)Dark
3. (T)INnoVation
4. (T)GuMiho
5. (P)Stats
6. (Z)soO
7. (T)TY
8. (P)herO
9. (P)Neeb
10. (Z)Serral
11. (Z)Elazer
12. (Z)TRUE
13. (Z)Nerchio
14. (Z)Snute
15. (T)MajOr
16. (T)Kelazhur
NOW YOU SEE?
StormOrtiz
Profile Joined June 2015
6 Posts
October 11 2017 23:59 GMT
#47
Tier S
1 (T)INnoVation
2(P)Stats

Tier 1
3(Z)Dark
4(Z)soO
5(Z)Rogue
6 (P)Neeb

Tier 2
7 (T)TY
8 (T)GuMiho
9 (P)herO
10 (Z)Elazer
11 (Z)Serral

Tier 3
12 (P)sOs
13 (T)ByuN
14 (T)Maru
15 (Z)Snute
16 (Z)Nerchio
Greenert111
Profile Joined January 2017
1 Post
October 12 2017 00:20 GMT
#48
1.(Z)Rogue
2.(T)INnoVation
3.(T)GuMiho
4.(P)Neeb
5.(P)herO
6.(Z)Dark
7.(Z)soO
8.(T)TY
9.(P)Stats
10.(Z)Serral
11.(Z)Elazer
12.(T)MajOr
13.(Z)Snute
14.(Z)Nerchio
15.(T)Kelazhur
16.(Z)TRUE
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 12 2017 00:50 GMT
#49
On October 12 2017 08:59 StormOrtiz wrote:
Tier S
1 (T)INnoVation
2(P)Stats

Tier 1
3(Z)Dark
4(Z)soO
5(Z)Rogue
6 (P)Neeb

Tier 2
7 (T)TY
8 (T)GuMiho
9 (P)herO
10 (Z)Elazer
11 (Z)Serral

Tier 3
12 (P)sOs
13 (T)ByuN
14 (T)Maru
15 (Z)Snute
16 (Z)Nerchio


It's a Blizzcon power rank, so the list will be disregarded if you include sOs, ByuN, Maru.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 12 2017 01:11 GMT
#50
1. (T)INnoVation
2. (P)Stats
3. (Z)Rogue
4. (Z)Dark
5. (P)herO
6. (T)TY
7. (Z)soO
8. (T)GuMiho
9. (P)Neeb
10. (Z)Elazer
11. (Z)Nerchio
12. (Z)Serral
13. (T)MajOr
14. (Z)Snute
15. (Z)TRUE
16. (T)Kelazhur
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StormOrtiz
Profile Joined June 2015
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-12 01:27:04
October 12 2017 01:26 GMT
#51
On October 12 2017 09:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:

It's a Blizzcon (T)Power rank, so the list will be disregarded if you include (P)sOs, (T)ByuN, (T)Maru.



Oh. Then:

Tier S
1 (T)INnoVation
2 (P)Stats

Tier 1
3 (Z)Dark
4 (Z)soO
5 (Z)Rogue
6 (P)Neeb

Tier 2
7 (T)TY
8 (T)GuMiho
9 (P)herO
10 (Z)Elazer
11 (Z)Serral

Tier 3
12 (Z)Snute
13 (Z)Nerchio
14 (T)MajOr
15 (T)Kelazhur
16 (Z)TRUE
engesser1
Profile Blog Joined December 2016
264 Posts
October 12 2017 01:31 GMT
#52
01. (Z)Rogue
02. (Z)Dark
03. (T)GuMiho
04. (T)INnoVation
05. (T)TY
06. (P)herO
07. (Z)soO
08. (P)Stats
09. (Z)TRUE
10. (P)Neeb
11. (T)MajOr
12. (Z)Serral
13. (Z)Elazer
14. (Z)Snute
15. (Z)Nerchio
16. (T)Kelazhur
Maru, he is the reason why i'm still playing and watching sc2
Edowyth
Profile Joined October 2010
United States183 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-12 02:32:53
October 12 2017 02:21 GMT
#53
(1) (P)Stats
(2) (Z)Rogue
(etc) (T)INnoVation
(P)herO
(P)Neeb
(Z)Dark
(T)GuMiho
(T)TY
(Z)soO
(T)MajOr
(Z)Serral
(Z)Elazer
(Z)Nerchio
(Z)TRUE
(Z)Snute
(T)Kelazhur

One thing I don't get ... how will the OP differentiate between 9th-16th place? They're all in the same place as far as the tournament goes and all those in 5th-8th will also be sort of indistinguishable. Similarly I don't think there's any distinction made at the tournament between 3rd and 4th place.

Possibly something like:

16 - first place
15 - second place
27 (14+13) if both third and fourth place are present (order not important), 13 if only one is present, 0 otherwise
42 (woot!) (12+11+10+9) if all four of the 5th-8th place members are present, 30 (11+10+9) if one is missing, etc
36 (8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1) if all 8 of the last members are present, etc
"Q. How do I check a valid [e-]mail address? A. You can't, at least, not in real time. Bummer, eh?" /r/programming
Of course, you could just send them a validation email.
Tesarul
Profile Joined February 2014
Belgium79 Posts
October 12 2017 03:23 GMT
#54
On October 12 2017 11:21 Edowyth wrote:
(1) (P)Stats
(2) (Z)Rogue
(etc) (T)INnoVation
(P)herO
(P)Neeb
(Z)Dark
(T)GuMiho
(T)TY
(Z)soO
(T)MajOr
(Z)Serral
(Z)Elazer
(Z)Nerchio
(Z)TRUE
(Z)Snute
(T)Kelazhur

One thing I don't get ... how will the OP differentiate between 9th-16th place? They're all in the same place as far as the tournament goes and all those in 5th-8th will also be sort of indistinguishable. Similarly I don't think there's any distinction made at the tournament between 3rd and 4th place.

Possibly something like:

16 - first place
15 - second place
27 (14+13) if both third and fourth place are present (order not important), 13 if only one is present, 0 otherwise
42 (woot!) (12+11+10+9) if all four of the 5th-8th place members are present, 30 (11+10+9) if one is missing, etc
36 (8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1) if all 8 of the last members are present, etc

I think the goal is just to make a Community Power Rank, it is not a contest to predict BlizzCon results.
Tesarul
Profile Joined February 2014
Belgium79 Posts
October 12 2017 03:31 GMT
#55
1 (T)INnoVation
2 (Z)Rogue
3 (Z)Dark
4 (P)Stats
5 (Z)soO
6 (P)herO
7 (P)Neeb
8 (T)GuMiho
9 (T)TY
10 (Z)Elazer
11 (Z)Serral
12 (Z)Snute
13 (Z)Nerchio
14 (T)MajOr
15 (Z)TRUE
16 (T)Kelazhur
barcodeno1
Profile Joined October 2017
20 Posts
October 12 2017 04:09 GMT
#56
1. Dark
2. INnoVation
3. Stats
4. Rogue
5. soO
6. herO
7. TY
8. Serral
9. Elazer
10. Neeb
11. Snute
12. Gumiho
13. Special
14. Nerchio
15. True
16. Kelazhur
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-12 04:53:13
October 12 2017 04:48 GMT
#57
1. (P)Stats
2. (Z)Rogue
3. (T)INnoVation
4. (Z)Dark
5. (T)TY
6. (P)herO
7. (T)GuMiho
8. (Z)soO
9. (P)Neeb
10. (Z)Serral
11. (Z)Elazer
12. (Z)Nerchio
13. (Z)Snute
14. (T)MajOr
15. (T)Kelazhur
16. (Z)TRUE

Stats is perhaps the most underrated and overlooked player of 2017 despite showing insane consistency in big tournaments and more than that, he did what Innovation could not. He carried the entire Protoss race by himself in its darkest time early this year when PVT winrate in professional games dropped to 40% and all the other big names of KR Protoss were nowhere to be seen. It's true that Innovation has been looking dominant all year long but his dominance is (as always)based on the overall superior situation of Terran, and last year when Terran was the inferior race in Korea Innovation basically disappeared.

However as a Stats fan I'd rather he keeps getting overlooked/underrated by the majority of community since the last thing I want is getting his reputation damaged by some annoying reddit fan boys, I mean just look at those of ByuN's.
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-12 05:38:40
October 12 2017 05:36 GMT
#58
I feel like everyone is criminally underrating herO's recent form. I feel like a top 5 is some order of Innovation / Rogue / Dark / Stats / herO and have a hard time seeing anyone else in that group but would love to hear arguments for otherwise.
In Somnis Veritas
My_Fake_Plastic_Luv
Profile Joined March 2010
United States257 Posts
October 12 2017 05:52 GMT
#59
1. (T)INnoVation
2. (Z)Dark
3. (T)TY
4. (P)Stats
5. (P)Neeb
6. (Z)Rogue
7. (Z)soO
8. (T)GuMiho
9. (P)herO
10. (Z)Elazer
11. (Z)Serral
12. (Z)Nerchio
13. (Z)TRUE
14. (T)Kelazhur
15. (T)MajOr
16. (Z)Snute
Its going to be a glorious day, I feel my luck could change
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 12 2017 06:00 GMT
#60
On October 12 2017 13:48 yht9657 wrote:
1. (P)Stats
2. (Z)Rogue
3. (T)INnoVation
4. (Z)Dark
5. (T)TY
6. (P)herO
7. (T)GuMiho
8. (Z)soO
9. (P)Neeb
10. (Z)Serral
11. (Z)Elazer
12. (Z)Nerchio
13. (Z)Snute
14. (T)MajOr
15. (T)Kelazhur
16. (Z)TRUE

Stats is perhaps the most underrated and overlooked player of 2017 despite showing insane consistency in big tournaments and more than that, he did what Innovation could not. He carried the entire Protoss race by himself in its darkest time early this year when PVT winrate in professional games dropped to 40% and all the other big names of KR Protoss were nowhere to be seen. It's true that Innovation has been looking dominant all year long but his dominance is (as always)based on the overall superior situation of Terran, and last year when Terran was the inferior race in Korea Innovation basically disappeared.

However as a Stats fan I'd rather he keeps getting overlooked/underrated by the majority of community since the last thing I want is getting his reputation damaged by some annoying reddit fan boys, I mean just look at those of ByuN's.


INnoVation spendt a lot of 2016 in LoL, as he stated in an interview, until a showmatch that he had to play during Blizzcon woken him.

Stats is, imo, the second best player of 2017, but I have some concerns about his current form.
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
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