EPTWCS Global Finals spots and groups finalized - Page 4
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Kitai
United States880 Posts
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DSh1
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On October 02 2017 04:59 Fango wrote: If Inno plays bio, he can beat Serral any day. But I don't trust him to, every terran seems to think mech is the way. Now I'm not an avilo fan by any means, but SW-viper just destroys it. I haven't seen mech work anywhere since Inno beat Dark with it, so I can easily credit that to Inno suprising him, and Dark not preparing for mech As far as gumiho goes, his TvZ isn't even that good. I've been saying this for a while and he hasn't been able to sway my opinion, he won GSL of the back of TvT. Serral stomped him in the map test tournament the other day as well. I think Serral will beat Gumiho in the first round, whether he beats Inno or not is up for debate Oh I see. Well, Serral > Inno's mech is a much more reasonable conclusion than Serral > Inno's bio given the evidence we have to work with. But we saw yesterday that Inno realized mech wouldn't work and switched to bio. I don't see how he wouldn't make the same choice at Blizzcon. That's assuming that he even bothers to try mech at Blizzcon; after what happened yesterday I guarantee Inno is giving some serious thought as to whether he should practice bio or mech in TvZ, and which styles to practice them in. I cannot possibly imagine that the Korean Zergs don't try SH against mech on ladder in the next month, nor can I imagine that Inno (and the other Terrans) will not find either a counter or an alternative way to approach TvZ given that they have a month to prepare. And like I said before, I think you give too much credit to SH and not enough to Rogue. They aren't some magical freewin panacea, and raw macro strength goes a long way in TvZ. Rogue and Inno have that kind of strength in spades, but Serral? Rogue defeated Inno's mech by soft-containing him and slowly wearing him down with SH+Vipers until Inno was forced to either attack or die a slow death. Suiciding one army to get rid of Inno's screen, followed by a crackling remax to clean up the tanks was how he finished. All of that requires a lot of mechanical skill, expanding all over the map while keeping up the pressure on Terran and deflecting any hellion/banshee/thor drop harass, and protecting the SH on cooldown. Rogue has the necessary skill, Dark probably does as well, but I'm not sure Serral does. Regarding Gumiho, I think you do have a point in that his TvZ is not amazing. But to claim that Serral is guaranteed to defeat him is pushing that a bit too far imo. Gumiho is virtually guaranteed to mech against Serral, since that's what he does, but similar to what I already said, I cannot imagine that Gumiho is not aware of how Rogue defeated Inno's mech, and he will try his utmost to find some kind of counter/workaround for that. At Blizzcon, Gumiho will play Serral in the first round. Inno will most certainly be watching that match, and can easily decide to go bio or mech based on how Gumiho does in that match. If he sees Serral stomp all over Gumiho, I don't see why you would think Inno would stick to mech. ^Hell, in 2015 when Inno's mech actually was basically unbeatable, he chose to go bio against Life. He made that choice in a far more favorable meta against a far stronger opponent. If he can make a choice like that, I don't see any reason he wouldn't go bio against Serral. TL;DR: I can't see Inno losing to Serral. Gumiho might lose. Gumiho might be able to take Inno out in a TvT as well. But Inno losing to a Zerg not named Dark/Rogue? I just can't see it happening. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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dragoon
United States695 Posts
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stevemachine17
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seemsgood
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
On October 02 2017 04:59 Fango wrote: If Inno plays bio, he can beat Serral any day. But I don't trust him to, every terran seems to think mech is the way. Now I'm not an avilo fan by any means, but SW-viper just destroys it. I haven't seen mech work anywhere since Inno beat Dark with it, so I can easily credit that to Inno suprising him, and Dark not preparing for mech As far as gumiho goes, his TvZ isn't even that good. I've been saying this for a while and he hasn't been able to sway my opinion, he won GSL of the back of TvT. Serral stomped him in the map test tournament the other day as well. I think Serral will beat Gumiho in the first round, whether he beats Inno or not is up for debate it's ridiculous that somehow people think Zerg is favor against mech just because Rogue can do it  . | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On October 02 2017 10:37 ParksonVN wrote: it's ridiculous that somehow people think Zerg is favor against mech just because Rogue can do it . Snute can also do it, even if it was only once | ||
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Azhrak
Finland1198 Posts
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rotta
5605 Posts
On October 02 2017 16:30 Azhrak wrote: I really hope at least one of the foreigners will go through to play at BlizzCon. I think Neeb, Serral or Snute will make it. Barcraft if Serral makes it? | ||
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Azhrak
Finland1198 Posts
Too bad there's no Buza anymore, those guys would let us stay past regular hours and watch BlizzCon until 7 AM. This is the problem with barcrafts for BlizzCon in Finland when we're 10 hours ahead of the local time. No public bar will be open for the whole thing so at best we'd see 2 matches (from 10 PM to 2 AM) and with bad luck those would not be Serral's matches. I've organized a private "office-craft" too for this reason in the past. At least I can ask around. Would be dope. | ||
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Azhrak
Finland1198 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/ovYW71H.png) Sorry Kelazhur, run out of room. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
The only foreigner that looks like they might have a chance of advancing is Neeb, only one match up and soO hasn't looked as sharp lately. Rogue however looked fantastic, I'd be very surprised if Neeb got past him. Serral is probably equally fucked as Snute, two of the best TvZ's in Korea in his group. Although if Gumiho comes in with some oddball shit like he did in the last GSL season that doesn't work Serral MIGHT have a chance. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On October 02 2017 18:12 Vindicare605 wrote: Snute is so fucked lol but at least he only has to practice one match up. The only foreigner that looks like they might have a chance of advancing is Neeb, only one match up and soO hasn't looked as sharp lately. Rogue however looked fantastic, I'd be very surprised if Neeb got past him. Elazer is probably equally fucked as Snute, two of the best TvZ's in Korea in his group. Although if Gumiho comes in with some oddball shit like he did in the last GSL season that doesn't work Elazer MIGHT have a chance. I think you mean Serral, Elazer is in Group C with Dark, herO and Kelazhur | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On October 02 2017 18:14 AzAlexZ wrote: I think you mean Serral, Elazer is in Group C with Dark, herO and Kelazhur Yea just realized that, editing now. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Corvuuss
Austria354 Posts
On October 02 2017 18:49 opisska wrote: I am really happy about the format, glad they didn't go with single elimination and that they didn't put all foreigners to one side of the bracket. This way we get some really great foreigner vs. korean action! Why would they ever do that, that would be even more stupid than anything blizzard has done before with WCS. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4058 Posts
Neeb vs Zergs Stats vs TY rematch (http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_XI_-_World_Championship) Polish Dark vs Real Dark Serral vs Innovation rematch Perfect groups! | ||
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