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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
October 02 2017 12:55 GMT
#81
High hopes for Neeb, and fell bad for sOs.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
buffzerg33
Profile Joined May 2017
96 Posts
October 02 2017 18:40 GMT
#82
Top 8 all Korea.
Hope Dark will be champion.
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
October 02 2017 18:48 GMT
#83
When will we get the hype thread? I look forward to unleashing my MS Paint mad skills.
Insert wise words here
highsis
Profile Joined August 2011
259 Posts
October 02 2017 19:06 GMT
#84
Shoot, we need to nerf protoss asap. I stilll have 3!
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 02 2017 19:31 GMT
#85
When are these matches getting played? I know the offline portion's November, just don't know about the other matches.
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
October 02 2017 19:31 GMT
#86
If Dark wins it he could be the best LoTV player, with two top 2 in the two blizzcon and first of his race for 2 years
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-02 20:05:45
October 02 2017 20:03 GMT
#87
On October 02 2017 10:37 ParksonVN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2017 04:59 Fango wrote:
On October 02 2017 04:36 pvsnp wrote:
On October 02 2017 04:14 Fango wrote:
On October 02 2017 04:03 pvsnp wrote:
Stats (1st) and TY (2nd) advance, high probability.

Rogue and soO advance (any order), high probability.

Dark and herO advance (any order), virtually guaranteed.

Inno (1st), virtually guaranteed. Gumiho (2nd), mildly likely--Serral (2nd), mildly unlikely.


I disagree with a few of these. Snute can beat TY, Neeb can beat soO, Elazer can beat herO, Serral can beat Inno and Gumiho, and Gumiho can beat Inno

Not saying they will 100% beat them, but they definitely have good shots

edit: btw I'm not trolling when I predicted Serral over Gumi and Inno. I 100% believe that mech sucks and Serral can beat it.

You saw the bio TvZ that Inno played yesterday, right? And you remember the bio TvZ that Inno beat Serral with at GSL vs the World, despite throwing away 30 supply for free? I'm really not sure how you (or anyone) can conclude that Serral can defeat Inno when Inno has both beaten Serral and players far more skilled than Serral (Rogue, Dark).

Regarding mech, I'm far from convinced that SH are the be-all-end-all that avilo raves about. Certainly they are strong, and certainly Rogue won with them but I think that has more to do with Rogue's skill than SH themselves. Macro was the deciding factor in both of the mech games. Also, Inno never tried battle mech, which I intuitively think would counter SH.


If Inno plays bio, he can beat Serral any day. But I don't trust him to, every terran seems to think mech is the way. Now I'm not an avilo fan by any means, but SW-viper just destroys it. I haven't seen mech work anywhere since Inno beat Dark with it, so I can easily credit that to Inno suprising him, and Dark not preparing for mech

As far as gumiho goes, his TvZ isn't even that good. I've been saying this for a while and he hasn't been able to sway my opinion, he won GSL of the back of TvT. Serral stomped him in the map test tournament the other day as well. I think Serral will beat Gumiho in the first round, whether he beats Inno or not is up for debate


it's ridiculous that somehow people think Zerg is favor against mech just because Rogue can do it .


Rogue isn't why I say mech is bad. The entire korean terran collective are playing mech and none of them are winning right now. Rogue is just another top zerg who knows how to deal with it

And I've been saying this for a while btw. I called every terran that goes mech in ST2 to lose before they even played. And guess what happened?

I feel like people are hyping up Gumiho purely because he's a GSL champ, and ignoring his actual play. Providing no choking occurs, Serral is honestly better in the matchup
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
mbriantyne
Profile Joined September 2017
3 Posts
October 02 2017 20:10 GMT
#88
8 Zergs and only 3 Protoss yet there will be no end to the whining about Protoss OP. Total crap. And all of these predictions are ridiculous. Obviously the Korean region is better than the foreign scene. Duh! But no one expected 3 of the 8 quarterfinalists to be foreign last year, yet they were. Just like you always see on these forums, people will make up excuses if their guy loses. It is never because the other guy was better on that day, it is always because of some lame excuse. I have been a huge sOs fan, but he had every opportunity to make this tournament and he didn't. he just wasn't good enough this year. And the funny thing is, this was his best year ever in terms of his points ranking. He had never made the Top 9 in Korea until this year. Too bad players like Byun and sOs will not be there instead of players like True and Kelazhur, but they knew the points rules going in.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-02 20:30:33
October 02 2017 20:25 GMT
#89
On October 03 2017 05:03 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2017 10:37 ParksonVN wrote:
On October 02 2017 04:59 Fango wrote:
On October 02 2017 04:36 pvsnp wrote:
On October 02 2017 04:14 Fango wrote:
On October 02 2017 04:03 pvsnp wrote:
Stats (1st) and TY (2nd) advance, high probability.

Rogue and soO advance (any order), high probability.

Dark and herO advance (any order), virtually guaranteed.

Inno (1st), virtually guaranteed. Gumiho (2nd), mildly likely--Serral (2nd), mildly unlikely.


I disagree with a few of these. Snute can beat TY, Neeb can beat soO, Elazer can beat herO, Serral can beat Inno and Gumiho, and Gumiho can beat Inno

Not saying they will 100% beat them, but they definitely have good shots

edit: btw I'm not trolling when I predicted Serral over Gumi and Inno. I 100% believe that mech sucks and Serral can beat it.

You saw the bio TvZ that Inno played yesterday, right? And you remember the bio TvZ that Inno beat Serral with at GSL vs the World, despite throwing away 30 supply for free? I'm really not sure how you (or anyone) can conclude that Serral can defeat Inno when Inno has both beaten Serral and players far more skilled than Serral (Rogue, Dark).

Regarding mech, I'm far from convinced that SH are the be-all-end-all that avilo raves about. Certainly they are strong, and certainly Rogue won with them but I think that has more to do with Rogue's skill than SH themselves. Macro was the deciding factor in both of the mech games. Also, Inno never tried battle mech, which I intuitively think would counter SH.


If Inno plays bio, he can beat Serral any day. But I don't trust him to, every terran seems to think mech is the way. Now I'm not an avilo fan by any means, but SW-viper just destroys it. I haven't seen mech work anywhere since Inno beat Dark with it, so I can easily credit that to Inno suprising him, and Dark not preparing for mech

As far as gumiho goes, his TvZ isn't even that good. I've been saying this for a while and he hasn't been able to sway my opinion, he won GSL of the back of TvT. Serral stomped him in the map test tournament the other day as well. I think Serral will beat Gumiho in the first round, whether he beats Inno or not is up for debate


it's ridiculous that somehow people think Zerg is favor against mech just because Rogue can do it .


Rogue isn't why I say mech is bad. The entire korean terran collective are playing mech and none of them are winning right now. Rogue is just another top zerg who knows how to deal with it

And I've been saying this for a while btw. I called every terran that goes mech in ST2 to lose before they even played. And guess what happened?

I feel like people are hyping up Gumiho purely because he's a GSL champ, and ignoring his actual play. Providing no choking occurs, Serral is honestly better in the matchup

I hope you are wrong, but I fear you are right.

Bio just isn't as strong as it used to be. Hydra/Ling/Bane basically guarantees that Ultras will hit the battlefield and from that point onward Zerg dictates the pace. TY and Inno will be the only top bio Terrans at Blizzcon, and unless they can level up fast it's going to be a sad Blizzcon for everyone who dislikes ZvZ.

Is there any (legit) comp harder to control than MMM + Liberator/Ghost/Viking?
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MrWayne
Profile Joined December 2016
219 Posts
October 02 2017 20:35 GMT
#90
On October 03 2017 05:03 Fango wrote:

Rogue isn't why I say mech is bad. The entire korean terran collective are playing mech and none of them are winning right now. Rogue is just another top zerg who knows how to deal with it

And I've been saying this for a while btw. I called every terran that goes mech in ST2 to lose before they even played. And guess what happened?

I feel like people are hyping up Gumiho purely because he's a GSL champ, and ignoring his actual play. Providing no choking occurs, Serral is honestly better in the matchup


Inno won GSL s3, SSL s1 and IEM Gyeonggi partly because of his mechplay against Zerg, so I do not know, he probably knows better than you, which strategy he should use
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-02 20:41:18
October 02 2017 20:38 GMT
#91
On October 03 2017 05:35 MrWayne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2017 05:03 Fango wrote:

Rogue isn't why I say mech is bad. The entire korean terran collective are playing mech and none of them are winning right now. Rogue is just another top zerg who knows how to deal with it

And I've been saying this for a while btw. I called every terran that goes mech in ST2 to lose before they even played. And guess what happened?

I feel like people are hyping up Gumiho purely because he's a GSL champ, and ignoring his actual play. Providing no choking occurs, Serral is honestly better in the matchup


Inno won GSL s3, SSL s1 and IEM Gyeonggi partly because of his mechplay against Zerg, so I do not know, he probably knows better than you, which strategy he should use

While I have no doubt Inno knows far better than anyone here how to mech against Zerg (and is probably working on a solution to SH at this very moment), it is probably worth noting that he faced 0 SH in all those tournaments.

Personally, my theorycrafting says that battle mech is probably the way to go, but I'm curious to see what Inno comes up with. I'm just hoping that a viable answer does in face exist, because being forced into bio against LBH is a losing prospect.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
October 02 2017 20:51 GMT
#92
Poor Artur
I Protoss winner, could it be?
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17252 Posts
October 02 2017 20:57 GMT
#93
when does group play take place?
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
October 02 2017 21:01 GMT
#94
On October 03 2017 05:57 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
when does group play take place?

Nothing been announced yet, but presumably the week before like it usually is. So like October 27th or so.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-02 21:21:12
October 02 2017 21:15 GMT
#95
On October 03 2017 05:35 MrWayne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2017 05:03 Fango wrote:

Rogue isn't why I say mech is bad. The entire korean terran collective are playing mech and none of them are winning right now. Rogue is just another top zerg who knows how to deal with it

And I've been saying this for a while btw. I called every terran that goes mech in ST2 to lose before they even played. And guess what happened?

I feel like people are hyping up Gumiho purely because he's a GSL champ, and ignoring his actual play. Providing no choking occurs, Serral is honestly better in the matchup


Inno won GSL s3, SSL s1 and IEM Gyeonggi partly because of his mechplay against Zerg, so I do not know, he probably knows better than you, which strategy he should use


He played mech in one or two games in SSL, it wasn't the TvZ meta at the time. They worked becuase he suprised his opponents. Same with GSL season 3, Inno won because Dark wasn't prepared to deal with mech. This was clear from Dark's game decisions

And if I'm so wrong, why has no high level terran won a mech game since Inno vs Dark in GSL then? That was clearly the moment that every terran decided it was the way. You say Inno knows what strats he should use not me right? Then why is it he got crushed in both mech games against Rogue, when I was the one saying he will lose if he mechs? He won 2/3 non-mech games to put a perspective on it, he can clearly win some games against Rogue with the usual bio tank style

Look, I'm not trying to devalue Inno as a player. I'm simply saying that mech, in it's current state, is not viable. At least, not in the way terrans been recently using it. And ofc I'm not a trained coach, but results don't lie
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil272 Posts
October 02 2017 21:59 GMT
#96
Neeb, Nerchio and Special going thorugh! And Kelazhur too... i believe in u bro!!
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil272 Posts
October 02 2017 22:00 GMT
#97
And Serral !! Hes gona 2-1 Inno in the most baller seriess ever, and hes gona go in first... mark my words
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 02 2017 22:00 GMT
#98
There's 3 players I really want to win and they're all in Group B

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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-02 22:18:17
October 02 2017 22:17 GMT
#99
On October 03 2017 07:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
There's 3 players I really want to win and they're all in Group B


Rip

I'm feeling inordinately pleased that the three players I cheer for are all in different groups.
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KR_4EVR
Profile Joined July 2017
316 Posts
October 03 2017 01:07 GMT
#100
You can be pretty sure that (P)sOs is busy right now filling out military registration paperwork for immediate enlistment - in (Z)Rogue's name.

Like, 85% sure.

$O$ when he's pulled the levers: --> <--Rogue when he finds out.
Et tu Brute ?
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